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p.3 #1 · Flare..UPDATE

mauriceramirez wrote:
I just checked and the D700's mirror box appears to be metal, not plastic. Nikon FTW.

You bastard.

Sep 08, 2009 at 06:31 PM

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Think of how a magnifying glass melts things, its focused onto one tiny little point. That small point is going to be nowhere near the sensor area, so I'm calling this bogus on "melting from sun flare".

I think it could be a glue that oozes or seeps from somewhere due to heat build up from prolonged use. Again, I've seen multiple Canon cameras show this same stuff (2 of them were mine, I've had friends shown the same thing) and I don't know what it is, but it didn't affect my cameras.

Sep 08, 2009 at 06:33 PM

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p.3 #3 · Flare..UPDATE

Yeah it could have definitely been from that. The stress on the sensor during that mode is already hot enough that you can't run that mode for longer than 10mins? in normal mode. Now combine that direct sunlight and assuming the lens was like the 50 1.2, could have been a deadly combination. Guessing Canon doesn't have a failsafe sensing system built into it to stop live view mode like Nikon does with the SB900 flash overheating.

Sep 08, 2009 at 06:35 PM

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Sep 08, 2009 at 06:36 PM

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I have actually tried to start a fire with my camera lenses on a "nature outing". I have to admit it is pretty hard to do even with direct sunlight.. And by pretty hard I mean I found it impossible. I doubt the flare actually caused those burns. Sorry to see your camera damaged though. Best of luck to you! Oh and amazing work as always.

Sep 08, 2009 at 06:37 PM

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Im suspecting heat buildup from internal wiring and circuit boards, still, it never affected my cameras to send them in. I will continue to shoot w/flare.

Sep 08, 2009 at 06:38 PM

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p.3 #7 · Flare..UPDATE

Actually if I remember correctly when the light is focused at a point it is internal to the lens at the aperture diaphragm right?

Sep 08, 2009 at 06:38 PM

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If the sun does that kind of a damage to a plastic piece when I shoot sideways to the direct sun light to get a flare.

HOW MUCH IS IT BURNING MY LEFT EYE?

Hugo

Sep 08, 2009 at 06:39 PM

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huguito wrote:
If the sun does that kind of a damage to a plastic piece when I shoot sideways to the direct sun light to get a flare.

HOW MUCH IS IT BURNING MY LEFT EYE?

Hugo

Different all together, you're seeing through the VF and the light from the lens is focused on the sensor.

Sep 08, 2009 at 06:43 PM

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sboerup wrote:
I'm not buying this that it is flare. I had 2 5D1 bodies exhibit the strange looking marks, but nothing was wrong with it. I can understand the whole "large magnifying glass" concept, but I'm not buying it. Light coming through the lens is focused and splits the image at the center of the aperture, NOT at the are where the affected "melted" area is. I have my doubts about it, but if it comes back fixed I'd be curious to what they find.

Can we call mythbusters on this one?

Well, I'll be certain to post what they said. I had 2 lenses go in last week and sent back. The damage anylysys was very vague. It would be nice to actually talk to the technician who repairs my body. I'd love his/her thoughts.

Glue though? Really? Seems far fetched but anythings possible. Again, after explaining the issues, burns and symptoms, Canon said it was likely due to shooting into the sun. The jury's still out.

Sep 08, 2009 at 06:43 PM

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p.3 #11 · Flare..UPDATE

not really glue but epoxy.
some epoxies cure at relatively low temps - low 100C.

it is possible that this is a formation of out gassing or....
just a little messy glue job that you happen to notice.

there can be a fundamental issue w/ live view-flairs-heat combination though.

a Technician, generally, is not going to help you .... you need to talk to someone in R&D or the package design group that handles the sensor and or shutter area.

The technicians will get a bulletin if they are lucky.
but i could be wrong.....

Later,
Mark

Sep 08, 2009 at 06:52 PM

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Sep 08, 2009 at 06:55 PM

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mauriceramirez wrote:
I just checked and the D700's mirror box appears to be metal, not plastic. Nikon FTW.

Anyway yeah I think Canon should repair it free of charge, since shooting into the sun is arguably a normal use thing.

+1. Sorry to hear about this - hope they get it fixed.

Sam, switch over to the dark side man - we'll be waiting for you =)

Sep 08, 2009 at 07:00 PM

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after breakfast w/you three when you told us about it and the four of us basically figured it out, then seeing the inside of quan's melted yet still working 5d1 i was anxious to look inside my 5d2 at home after assisting for JasonQTran. As soon as i got home I checked mine out and no burns. after seeing quan's damage first hand guys these are defiantly burns. Sams 2nd macro shot is good and seeing it first hand pretty much seals the deal. Quan and Sam shoot into the sun -a- -lot-. like Sam said, if the suns out he's shooting for flare.

note that the sensor isn't damaged it's the area directly above the sensor that was damaged on quan's working 5d1. Sam's damage is in the same place above the sensor and the shutter curtains have burns too right sam? with no visual damage to the sensor.

hopefully it's just a simple shutter replacement...

Sep 08, 2009 at 07:06 PM

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Homey wrote:

Sure if you offer your cameras for the myth busters to test with..

lolz

Sep 08, 2009 at 07:50 PM

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nfoto wrote:
after breakfast w/you three when you told us about it and the four of us basically figured it out, then seeing the inside of quan's melted yet still working 5d1 i was anxious to look inside my 5d2 at home after assisting for JasonQTran. As soon as i got home I checked mine out and no burns. after seeing quan's damage first hand guys these are defiantly burns. Sams 2nd macro shot is good and seeing it first hand pretty much seals the deal. Quan and Sam shoot into the sun -a- -lot-. like Sam said, if the suns out he's shooting for flare.

note that the sensor isn't damaged it's the area directly above the sensor that was damaged on quan's working 5d1. Sam's damage is in the same place above the sensor and the shutter curtains have burns too right sam? with no visual damage to the sensor.

hopefully it's just a simple shutter replacement...

I tried to see side by side if there was any noticeable damage to the sensor with my other body and I couldn't tell. Reflections and rainbow made it difficult. It's been shipped to Canon. Hoping for the best.

~sam

Sep 08, 2009 at 07:51 PM

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p.3 #17 · Flare..UPDATE

The camera just couldn't handle the awesomeness.

Sep 08, 2009 at 07:54 PM

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p.3 #18 · Flare..UPDATE

I find this pretty hard to believe, but I guess it's possible. How long are you staring into the sun at any one time? Sweet jesus...

Sep 08, 2009 at 07:58 PM

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p.3 #19 · Flare..UPDATE

i've noticed for the longest time that my eye literally burns when shooting for flare, so i kinda stopped because i didn't want to damage my eye.

Sep 08, 2009 at 08:02 PM

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p.3 #20 · Flare..UPDATE

"Momma always told me not to look into the eye of the sun, but Moma .. that's where the fun is"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRtAJy2nFVM

Sep 08, 2009 at 08:16 PM

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