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not really glue but epoxy.
some epoxies cure at relatively low temps - low 100C.

it is possible that this is a formation of out gassing or....
just a little messy glue job that you happen to notice.

there can be a fundamental issue w/ live view-flairs-heat combination though.

a Technician, generally, is not going to help you .... you need to talk to someone in R&D or the package design group that handles the sensor and or shutter area.

The technicians will get a bulletin if they are lucky.
but i could be wrong.....

Later,
Mark

Sep 08, 2009 at 06:52 PM

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Sep 08, 2009 at 06:55 PM

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mauriceramirez wrote:
I just checked and the D700's mirror box appears to be metal, not plastic. Nikon FTW.

Anyway yeah I think Canon should repair it free of charge, since shooting into the sun is arguably a normal use thing.

+1. Sorry to hear about this - hope they get it fixed.

Sam, switch over to the dark side man - we'll be waiting for you =)

Sep 08, 2009 at 07:00 PM

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after breakfast w/you three when you told us about it and the four of us basically figured it out, then seeing the inside of quan's melted yet still working 5d1 i was anxious to look inside my 5d2 at home after assisting for JasonQTran. As soon as i got home I checked mine out and no burns. after seeing quan's damage first hand guys these are defiantly burns. Sams 2nd macro shot is good and seeing it first hand pretty much seals the deal. Quan and Sam shoot into the sun -a- -lot-. like Sam said, if the suns out he's shooting for flare.

note that the sensor isn't damaged it's the area directly above the sensor that was damaged on quan's working 5d1. Sam's damage is in the same place above the sensor and the shutter curtains have burns too right sam? with no visual damage to the sensor.

hopefully it's just a simple shutter replacement...

Sep 08, 2009 at 07:06 PM

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Homey wrote:

Sure if you offer your cameras for the myth busters to test with..

lolz

Sep 08, 2009 at 07:50 PM

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nfoto wrote:
after breakfast w/you three when you told us about it and the four of us basically figured it out, then seeing the inside of quan's melted yet still working 5d1 i was anxious to look inside my 5d2 at home after assisting for JasonQTran. As soon as i got home I checked mine out and no burns. after seeing quan's damage first hand guys these are defiantly burns. Sams 2nd macro shot is good and seeing it first hand pretty much seals the deal. Quan and Sam shoot into the sun -a- -lot-. like Sam said, if the suns out he's shooting for flare.

note that the sensor isn't damaged it's the area directly above the sensor that was damaged on quan's working 5d1. Sam's damage is in the same place above the sensor and the shutter curtains have burns too right sam? with no visual damage to the sensor.

hopefully it's just a simple shutter replacement...

I tried to see side by side if there was any noticeable damage to the sensor with my other body and I couldn't tell. Reflections and rainbow made it difficult. It's been shipped to Canon. Hoping for the best.

~sam

Sep 08, 2009 at 07:51 PM

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The camera just couldn't handle the awesomeness.

Sep 08, 2009 at 07:54 PM

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p.3 #8 · Flare..UPDATE

I find this pretty hard to believe, but I guess it's possible. How long are you staring into the sun at any one time? Sweet jesus...

Sep 08, 2009 at 07:58 PM

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i've noticed for the longest time that my eye literally burns when shooting for flare, so i kinda stopped because i didn't want to damage my eye.

Sep 08, 2009 at 08:02 PM

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"Momma always told me not to look into the eye of the sun, but Moma .. that's where the fun is"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRtAJy2nFVM

Sep 08, 2009 at 08:16 PM

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p.3 #11 · Flare..UPDATE

strange...but I don't buy it either. i shoot and have been known to flare a little here and there...checked my cameras and no sign of this what so ever. but maybe it's because I live up North where we are farther away from the equator

anyway i think something else may be causing the burns.

oh well..flare away, it's just a tool and eventually tools need replaced.

Sep 08, 2009 at 08:24 PM

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p.3 #12 · Flare..UPDATE

Damn, that IS scary knowledge

Beautiful work btw

Sep 08, 2009 at 08:51 PM

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I BELIEVE I HAVE AN ANSWER (kinda long but chill, it is worth a read). I picked up an EOS 1-v from a sports shooter a while back and he showed me a similar burn on a body that he had started to tear apart (1dMIII). After much speculation and a trip to CPS, the question was asked if his cameras were ever set down in direct sunlight for any period of time over 30 seconds. His answer was, "of course, I carry 3 bodies to cover sports and usually two are on the ground or a laying on a bag near me." The techs said that the camera/lens being in the same position to the sun for quite some time led to the burns/melts. He said it can happen inside or outside, it just has to be the perfect storm of angle of sun and lens.
I'm not saying that shooting into the sun is not the culprit here and I'm definitely not saying that I won't be shooting into the sun anymore. What I am saying is that anytime I set a camera/lens down where there is sunlight, I make sure to cover up the lens with something (you know, like a lens cap!). So that's my story and I hope you enjoyed it. Happy 50L flare to all and keep up the awesome!

Sep 08, 2009 at 09:01 PM

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p.3 #14 · Flare..UPDATE

I think it's live view

Think of the sun intensity off the sensor but in the image circle. Look at where the burn is. For your flares the sun is at the edge of the image, but much brighter sun goes in the camera.

Sep 08, 2009 at 10:19 PM

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p.3 #15 · Flare..UPDATE

Bummer Sam, sorry to see this happen to you. Your flare shots rock, I hope you continue to shoot them.

Sep 08, 2009 at 10:26 PM

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Evan Baines wrote:
The camera just couldn't handle the awesomeness.

This was my next guess, I just didn't want to over inflate his already fragile ego.

Sep 08, 2009 at 10:47 PM

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p.3 #17 · Flare..UPDATE

Damn Sam... I hope its not from Flare shots... we just performed our first successful one this past weekend.

Sep 08, 2009 at 10:54 PM

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that sucks thank you for the headsup

Sep 08, 2009 at 11:02 PM

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damn... i just checked my sensor on the 5D2 and no burns thanks goodness, could it possibly be a manufacturing defect when they cast the plastic and laser cut the die out?

Sep 08, 2009 at 11:04 PM

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yikes! checking internals now...

Sep 08, 2009 at 11:10 PM

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p.3 #21 · Flare..UPDATE

anthonyket wrote:
damn... i just checked my sensor on the 5D2 and no burns thanks goodness, could it possibly be a manufacturing defect when they cast the plastic and laser cut the die out?

That wouldn't explain the sensor problems, just the melted plastic.

Sep 08, 2009 at 11:10 PM

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p.3 #22 · Flare..UPDATE

true that. humm...

Sep 08, 2009 at 11:25 PM

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scott shoemake wrote:
I BELIEVE I HAVE AN ANSWER (kinda long but chill, it is worth a read). I picked up an EOS 1-v from a sports shooter a while back and he showed me a similar burn on a body that he had started to tear apart (1dMIII). After much speculation and a trip to CPS, the question was asked if his cameras were ever set down in direct sunlight for any period of time over 30 seconds. His answer was, "of course, I carry 3 bodies to cover sports and usually two are on the ground or a laying on a bag near me." The techs said that the camera/lens being in the same position to the sun for quite some time led to the burns/melts. He said it can happen inside or outside, it just has to be the perfect storm of angle of sun and lens.
I'm not saying that shooting into the sun is not the culprit here and I'm definitely not saying that I won't be shooting into the sun anymore. What I am saying is that anytime I set a camera/lens down where there is sunlight, I make sure to cover up the lens with something (you know, like a lens cap!). So that's my story and I hope you enjoyed it. Happy 50L flare to all and keep up the awesome!

+1

-Tim

Sep 08, 2009 at 11:30 PM

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p.3 #24 · Flare..UPDATE

Hey just letting you know, that my 5D original has those marks.

The shithead who sold me the camera on this board failed to disclose it. I wanted to leave him bad feedback but didn't want a negative on a $1300 purchase.

I posted the pictures asking what they were, people suspected burn. I e-mailed him and he said since I shot it and it works to go shove off. A guy I'd like to smack right in the head with the camera if I seen him. This just confirms what the jerk did.

Sep 08, 2009 at 11:43 PM

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I wouldn't call him a jerk when this issue wasn't widely known and is in a weird spot to begin with.

Sep 08, 2009 at 11:45 PM


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