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If one owns the 17-55 2.8 (as I do), you might gain some range, but you lose the 2.8 constant aperture, and that's not a tradeoff worth making.

Hah, now crop users also have their 24-70L vs 24-105L dilemma

Unfortunately that isn't quite true. We have a 28-90 2.8 vs. 24-135 3.5-5.6 dilemma. Do I give up some key wide angle coverage and still shell out 1K, or do I spend only slightly less for the extra coverage without any speed?

Neither choice is quite good enough.

Sep 02, 2009 at 10:27 AM

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800 beans for a 3.5-5.6 standard zoom lens--yeah, I'd say that's pretty expensive.
That's the MSRP. No lens made by canon is sold for MSRP.

aren't the new TS-E and the 24 1.4 MkII going for MSRP.

Probably only because of their scarcity and the high demand. They aren't even in stock in many stores.

Sep 02, 2009 at 12:29 PM

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p.2 #3 · EF-S 15-85mm f/3.5-5.6 IS master thread

I believe the scarcity is artificial to keep prices up. Those crafty Canon Japan people.

Sep 02, 2009 at 01:26 PM

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p.2 #4 · EF-S 15-85mm f/3.5-5.6 IS master thread

Even assuming the IQ is better than the 17-85, I just don't get a variable aperature lens at this price point. Sure, it's an interesting lens, but I don't see many people paying that much for essentially two degrees on the wide end. You could buy a 10-22 for this price. Even if you are buying a DSLR for the first time, you could take one of the other kit lenses, and still have more left over for a true wide angle and a tele-photo.

Sep 02, 2009 at 01:45 PM

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p.2 #5 · EF-S 15-85mm f/3.5-5.6 IS master thread

Well, I'm just a dumb beginner who with an interest in landscape and close-ups and that is probably about all I will ever be. To me the 15-85 is very appealing. I am looking for an upgrade from my kit lens. I will always do more shooting while backpacking and hiking than from the side of the road so I want just a few quality zooms to cover my full range rather than a trunk full of L primes. I have really looked at the 24-105 but it is just not wide enough. That would leave me needing to add a 10-22 later. The 15-85 will cover my wide need and thus will save me from buying another lens. So, I will wait to see what the reviews say (any idea when) and where the street price ends up (best guess?) and then make a decision.

Sep 02, 2009 at 01:59 PM

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p.2 #6 · EF-S 15-85mm f/3.5-5.6 IS master thread

Amazons preorder price is $799,

If I recall, when the 17-55 F/2.8 was first announced at $1200, everybody had a fit. I believe the threads here were following the same discussion about a way overpriced non "L" EFS lens. It turned out that Canon did deliver on that lens. People found out pretty quick that it was a pretty sweet lens. This lens is kind of following the same path so far

If it falls short, everybody will know pretty quick around here, that is for sure.

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Sep 02, 2009 at 02:13 PM

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kakomu wrote:
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800 beans for a 3.5-5.6 standard zoom lens--yeah, I'd say that's pretty expensive.
That's the MSRP. No lens made by canon is sold for MSRP.

The MSRP and the street price are one in the same. In fact you can pre order these lenses (100/2.8 IS, 15-85, 18-135) for the MSRP posted on the Canon website--this includes the 17+24 TS-E, 5DII and the 7D.

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M Vers wrote:
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800 beans for a 3.5-5.6 standard zoom lens--yeah, I'd say that's pretty expensive.
That's the MSRP. No lens made by canon is sold for MSRP.

The MSRP and the street price are one in the same. In fact you can pre order these lenses (100/2.8 IS, 15-85, 18-135) for the MSRP posted on the Canon website--this includes the 17+24 TS-E, 5DII and the 7D.
The street price will almost always drop like a rock. Look at all the other EF-S street and MSRP prices. What makes you think this will be any different? Same goes for most other EF lenses. The 28-135 is listed at $690 MSRP and I bought mine new for $300.

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kakomu wrote:
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kakomu wrote:
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800 beans for a 3.5-5.6 standard zoom lens--yeah, I'd say that's pretty expensive.
That's the MSRP. No lens made by canon is sold for MSRP.

The MSRP and the street price are one in the same. In fact you can pre order these lenses (100/2.8 IS, 15-85, 18-135) for the MSRP posted on the Canon website--this includes the 17+24 TS-E, 5DII and the 7D.
The street price will almost always drop like a rock. Look at all the other EF-S street and MSRP prices. What makes you think this will be any different? Same goes for most other EF lenses. The 28-135 is listed at $690 MSRP and I bought mine new for $300.

It will almost certainly drop, but the question is how much, how fast? The 5DII and TS-E's have been out for how long now? Have we seen a drop in MSRP/street price yet? So given that piece of recent fact what makes YOU think this will be any different?

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M Vers wrote:
kakomu wrote:
M Vers wrote:
kakomu wrote:
M Vers wrote:
800 beans for a 3.5-5.6 standard zoom lens--yeah, I'd say that's pretty expensive.
That's the MSRP. No lens made by canon is sold for MSRP.

The MSRP and the street price are one in the same. In fact you can pre order these lenses (100/2.8 IS, 15-85, 18-135) for the MSRP posted on the Canon website--this includes the 17+24 TS-E, 5DII and the 7D.
The street price will almost always drop like a rock. Look at all the other EF-S street and MSRP prices. What makes you think this will be any different? Same goes for most other EF lenses. The 28-135 is listed at $690 MSRP and I bought mine new for $300.

It will almost certainly drop, but the question is how much, how fast? The 5DII and TS-E's have been out for how long now? Have we seen a drop in MSRP/street price yet? So given that piece of recent fact what makes YOU think this will be any different?

Because the supply of 5DII cameras and TS-E lenses have been restricted to a trickle. They're also rather exotic in comparison to general purpose/consumer equipment. Finally, Canon practically floods the market with anything crop sensor related. You aren't going to find the (artificially created) shortages of any Rebel or EF-S lens that you'd find with the 5D2.

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kakomu wrote:
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kakomu wrote:
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800 beans for a 3.5-5.6 standard zoom lens--yeah, I'd say that's pretty expensive.
That's the MSRP. No lens made by canon is sold for MSRP.

The MSRP and the street price are one in the same. In fact you can pre order these lenses (100/2.8 IS, 15-85, 18-135) for the MSRP posted on the Canon website--this includes the 17+24 TS-E, 5DII and the 7D.
The street price will almost always drop like a rock. Look at all the other EF-S street and MSRP prices. What makes you think this will be any different? Same goes for most other EF lenses. The 28-135 is listed at $690 MSRP and I bought mine new for $300.

Canon is putting this lens up with the 10-22 and the 17-55. Certainly wouldn't say that those prices have dropped like a rock the last few years.

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Sep 02, 2009 at 02:38 PM

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For the life of me I can't see anyone paying this price for that lens. I do think the 5000 shooters said yea thats a great range, and maybe we don't need 2.8, but that price considering the economy and how little money people have right npow just doesn't add up.
Maybe $600 would be much better, but not $800. I actually still have my version 1 of the kit lens, and If I shoot at F8 which is the sweet spot for focus for my particular lens, its not too bad.But it lacks a lot compared to my 100 Macro at least in sharpness. I kept saying months ago that Canon needed a better lens in this range.Sigma has a few, Tamron has the 17-50, which someone said is coming out with IS ? That would be ideal, but does it cost $800, maybe it will now that Canon put that price on this lens, who knows !

Sep 02, 2009 at 02:41 PM

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briangg wrote:
kakomu wrote:
M Vers wrote:
kakomu wrote:
M Vers wrote:
800 beans for a 3.5-5.6 standard zoom lens--yeah, I'd say that's pretty expensive.
That's the MSRP. No lens made by canon is sold for MSRP.

The MSRP and the street price are one in the same. In fact you can pre order these lenses (100/2.8 IS, 15-85, 18-135) for the MSRP posted on the Canon website--this includes the 17+24 TS-E, 5DII and the 7D.
The street price will almost always drop like a rock. Look at all the other EF-S street and MSRP prices. What makes you think this will be any different? Same goes for most other EF lenses. The 28-135 is listed at $690 MSRP and I bought mine new for $300.

Canon is putting this lens up with the 10-22 and the 17-55. Certainly wouldn't say that those prices have dropped like a rock the last few years.

Brian

They're both sold for less than MSRP.

Sep 02, 2009 at 02:42 PM

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They're both sold for less than MSRP.

The 17-55 is listed on Canon website for 1179.00 MSRP, it retails a B&H for 1030.00. This lens was release in 2006, that's three years of being on the market and the price "dropped like a rock" $149.00--more like a drop in the bucket, wouldn't you say?

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They're both sold for less than MSRP.

The 17-55 is listed on Canon website for 1179.00 MSRP, it retails a B&H for 1030.00. This lens was release in 2006, that's three years of being on the market and the price "dropped like a rock" $149.00--more like a drop in the bucket, wouldn't you say?

It's a drop, nonetheless, for a constant aperture lens that is purported to have optics that are just as good as an L-series lens. What does that say for a slow, variable aperture lens that fits along side the 17-85? Probably means that even if it pre-sells for $800, it's not going to stay there for very long. The point (that no one has refuted) is that EF-S lenses drop in price. Less so for higher quality lenses, but they drop nonetheless. Lesser quality lenses drop by a greater amount.

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p.2 #16 · EF-S 15-85mm f/3.5-5.6 IS master thread

Sure, if this gets around the cost of the current 17-85 ($428 today on amazon), which it may be replacing, it would be much more attractive.

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Probably means that even if it pre-sells for $800, it's not going to stay there for very long.

That still doesn't change the fact that it will hit the shelves for $800, does it? As for future 'probably' pricing...we shall see, won't we?

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Probably means that even if it pre-sells for $800, it's not going to stay there for very long.

That still doesn't change the fact that it will hit the shelves for $800, does it? As for future 'probably' pricing...we shall see, won't we?

Has it hit the shelves yet? No? Then it's not a fact. All we know right now is that the pre-sale price is full MSRP. That doesn't mean that the pre-sale prices can't be adjusted later on.

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Has it hit the shelves yet? No? Then it's not a fact. All we know right now is that the pre-sale price is full MSRP. That doesn't mean that the pre-sale prices can't be adjusted later on.

Have the last three products canon has released hit the shelves for MSRP? Yes. So I think it's safe to say that this will continue...

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Have the last three products canon has released hit the shelves for MSRP? Yes. So I think it's safe to say that this will continue...

Do you mean the Rebel T1i? Did that hit the shelves at MSRP? Because, that's not been out for a while and it's already below MSRP. From the blog entries I'm reading around, it was released at less than MSRP and it will continue to fall during its lifespan.

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Have the last three products canon has released hit the shelves for MSRP? Yes. So I think it's safe to say that this will continue...

Do you mean the Rebel T1i? Did that hit the shelves at MSRP? Because, that's not been out for a while and it's already below MSRP. From the blog entries I'm reading around, it was released at less than MSRP and it will continue to fall during its lifespan.

No I meant the 5DII, 17 TS-E and the 24II TS-E. As for the T1i, I can't recall if that sold for MSRP but it's a likely assumption (BTW, it only dropped $50)

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M Vers wrote:
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Have the last three products canon has released hit the shelves for MSRP? Yes. So I think it's safe to say that this will continue...

Do you mean the Rebel T1i? Did that hit the shelves at MSRP? Because, that's not been out for a while and it's already below MSRP. From the blog entries I'm reading around, it was released at less than MSRP and it will continue to fall during its lifespan.

No I meant the 5DII, 17 TS-E and the 24II TS-E. As for the T1i, I can't recall if that sold for MSRP but it's a likely assumption.

Then you're ignoring the fact that EF-S lenses aren't the same as an ultrawide L-series TS lens or multi-thousand dollar full frame camera. They're exotic items that aren't meant for the general consumer. The 15-85 will be sold in any big box electronics store, whereas you have to go to camera stores for a TS lens (and even then, you may not find it).

As for the T1i, it was released at less than MSRP. The 15-85 is more in line with the T1i than the 5D2 or an ultrawide TS lens.

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p.2 #23 · EF-S 15-85mm f/3.5-5.6 IS master thread

OK, so when the 15-85 hits the shelves for under $800 you can run your mouth off, until then lets see what happens

Sep 02, 2009 at 03:36 PM

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p.2 #24 · EF-S 15-85mm f/3.5-5.6 IS master thread

Canon is definitely taking a new approach to the look of their lenses. I didn't notice it at first with the two new TS lenses, but they're using a different, larger font.

They appear to have also omitted the USM gold ring. The focal length numbers are now sitting on a black area instead of a gray area that EF-S lenses all had.

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I am just a dumb beginner and will likely never be much more. My interest is in landscapes and close-ups. This lens interests me. I have been looking for an upgrade from my kit lens. Most of my pictures are while hiking or backpacking and not from the side of the road. I would rather carry a few quality zooms than have a trunk full of L primes. I was looking at the 24-105 L but it isn't wide enough. That would leave me having to add the 10-22 for the wide end and would necessitate some frequent lens changing. Even with high pricing this lens could save me some money and weight. I will just have to wait and see how the IQ turns out and what the street price turns out to be. (Any guesses on street price?)

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