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p.137 #1 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread


jamato8 wrote:
What do you set the 7D to track? I have tried different things but as soon as it gets away from the original focus point the camera focusses on a new object. It isn't switching focus points to track.


I'm still learning the AF scheme myself, but you might want to try tracking with AF expansion or using one of the zones. You can also set the camera for 19-point AF auto selection as well, and you will have the benefit of all 19 points for tracking, plus you can select the point from which you want tracking to start while in Servo mode.

The new AF system is a bit complex so you should read and re-read pages 83-92 in the manual a couple of times, along with C. Fn III from pages 209 to 215. I think I'll be discovering a few things over the next several weeks myself.


Oct 17, 2009 at 12:28 AM
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p.137 #2 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread


Ah, ok, I got it. Yes, it is an involved process but now I can see that it works very well. Thanks.

Oct 17, 2009 at 02:40 AM
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p.137 #3 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread


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So post some photos from the 7D. I am doing that.


Everybody has something to bring to the discussion. Why require everyone to bring the same thing?

anytime pixel noise is brought up the same people trod out some lame picture of a desk with junk on it to prove what?I have no clue


Oct 17, 2009 at 03:06 AM
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I'm not an expert on noise or anything else, but I believe the pixels on my 6mp 300D are actually bigger than those on my 5D II which I believe would be an 8mp camera if cropped to the 1.6 format. Should I therefore expect the 300d's high ISO noise on a pixel (or any other level) to be better?

Oct 17, 2009 at 03:55 AM
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philtax wrote:
I believe the pixels on my 6mp 300D are actually bigger than those on my 5D II which I believe would be an 8mp camera if cropped to the 1.6 format. Should I therefore expect the 300d's high ISO noise on a pixel (or any other level) to be better?



No. The 300D uses an old sensor from 2003, when sensors were far less efficient that they are today. Pixel size is only one of many other factors that influence high ISO performance of cameras.


Oct 17, 2009 at 05:00 AM
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digitalbug30d wrote:
ejmartin wrote:
abqnmusa wrote:
So post some photos from the 7D. I am doing that.


Everybody has something to bring to the discussion. Why require everyone to bring the same thing?

anytime pixel noise is brought up the same people trod out some lame picture of a desk with junk on it to prove what?I have no clue


Maybe if you bothered to read the explanation that went with that "lame picture of a desk with junk on it" you'd understand? Just sayin'.


Oct 17, 2009 at 05:10 AM
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p.137 #7 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread


Thanks for making my point for me.

Cheers.


Oct 17, 2009 at 06:11 AM
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p.137 #8 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread


jorkata wrote:
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You don't need to downsample an image to reduce noise


Agree completely.

Then why do people insist on downsizing images with more megapixels in order to do a 'fair' noise comparison to images with less megapixels


because it is a very quick and easy way to do it if maybe not ideal (and you don't have to wonder who used what NR technique to what degree or waste paper/time printing)


Oct 17, 2009 at 07:26 AM
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p.137 #9 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread


Yohan Pamudji wrote:
digitalbug30d wrote:
ejmartin wrote:
abqnmusa wrote:
So post some photos from the 7D. I am doing that.


Everybody has something to bring to the discussion. Why require everyone to bring the same thing?

anytime pixel noise is brought up the same people trod out some lame picture of a desk with junk on it to prove what?I have no clue


Maybe if you bothered to read the explanation that went with that "lame picture of a desk with junk on it" you'd understand? Just sayin'.

Why? do I need to be a scientist to use a camera?since I am typing this on a Dell with an i7 should I really know everything there is to know about an i7 chip?
also on high speed comcast internet do I need to know how it works to use it also?.


Oct 17, 2009 at 08:35 AM
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p.137 #10 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread


digitalbug30d wrote:
Yohan Pamudji wrote:
Maybe if you bothered to read the explanation that went with that "lame picture of a desk with junk on it" you'd understand? Just sayin'.

Why? do I need to be a scientist to use a camera?since I am typing this on a Dell with an i7 should I really know everything there is to know about an i7 chip?
also on high speed comcast internet do I need to know how it works to use it also?.


You would do well to know the simple fact that sensel size doesn't really affect a camera's noise performance in the way that sensor size does.

I am trying to explain that so that more people can make informed decisions about upgrading cameras.

Others are confused by comparing cameras at unequal magnification, and think they have seen evidence that sparser sensors are better. They claim, without any evidence, that more pixels make a camera worse. It happens on every thread.

It's a shame the subject has to come up so often, but it is important because it will affect how manufacturers supply the market and consequently it will affect our picture quality in the years ahead.

So you don't need to be a scientist, but it will help if you can understand why and how an apparently fair test isn't one, because that way you can ignore all the very biased tests and opinions that are rife on the internet, and you can ensure that when you compare cameras you have done it fairly, and don't make the mistake of upgrading to a worse camera because the pixels looked nicer.

A real world example of this issue, at risk of returning to the topic of the thread, is that many people are put off the 7D on the grounds that it has 'too many' pixels. Their fears are ill-founded, and once they get beyond comparing at unequal magnification they will see that the 7D has the best overall image quality of any APS-C camera to date, notwithstanding that it may have slightly less DR than some other cameras.


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p.137 #11 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread


Hey, I read something about Canon releasing a 7D. How's it go? I reckon 18Mp is too many for a 1.6x crop. Whadya reckon Brainiac.



Oct 17, 2009 at 11:35 AM
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Pixel Perfect wrote:
Hey, I read something about Canon releasing a 7D. How's it go? I reckon 18Mp is too many for a 1.6x crop. Whadya reckon Brainiac.



OK - I give in. I'm ready to be assimilated. Does anybody know where I can get a good condition EOS D30? ;-)


Oct 17, 2009 at 12:00 PM
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p.137 #13 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread


well I am giving Canon some slack knowing some issues arise with higher pixel counts,I am willing to bet having dual digic 4s will take care of most of the issues
in these arguments I havent seen any talk about the processors.With 2 of them
should in theory out do a single chip camera ie the 50D,so this is why I think the
7d would be better than any single processor designed body and most likely the A/F
speed should be better,ISOs,noise ect



Oct 17, 2009 at 12:06 PM
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p.137 #14 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread


I wish Adobe would hurry up and release a version of Lightroom with full support for the 7D, the colors in LR 2.5 are making me sick.

Oct 17, 2009 at 12:16 PM
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p.137 #15 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread


The colors in ACR have always been dreadful IMO. Use the DNG profile editor.

Oct 17, 2009 at 12:53 PM
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digitalbug30d wrote:
well I am giving Canon some slack knowing some issues arise with higher pixel counts,I am willing to bet having dual digic 4s will take care of most of the issues
in these arguments I havent seen any talk about the processors.With 2 of them
should in theory out do a single chip camera ie the 50D,so this is why I think the
7d would be better than any single processor designed body and most likely the A/F
speed should be better,ISOs,noise ect



I would assume the number of processors does nothing to improve noise performance. Noise reduction speed would probably be improved.

Also I don't think multiple processors can improve a sensors ISO performance.

I'm ignorant on AF speed. Faster processing is probably a good thing, but do the Digics have anything to do with AF, or is there a separate processo dedicated to that?

You mention there should be improvements over the 50D. Yes. The big one is 8 FPS with an 18 MP sensor. That's a lot of data to move that is only possible with dual processors.

Does anyone have electrical schematics of thr 7D? I'd like to see those


Oct 17, 2009 at 01:13 PM
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p.137 #17 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread


Can someone tell me what these white and red specs are? ISO 3200 and the second is a 100% crop of underneath the SUV. I put the lens cap on and took a shot at F22. I have no dead or hot pixels. I remember reading about it but trying to find it is not easy. This is my replacement 7D and everything else is OK but I noticed this.



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Oct 17, 2009 at 01:16 PM
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p.137 #18 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread


A 100% crop of a shadow region of an ISO3200 image with an 18MP sensor.

I'm going to guess it's noise

Anyone else?


Oct 17, 2009 at 01:23 PM
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p.137 #19 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread


It seems to be more noticeable with this unit. I just found out about PS Despeckle and applied it for the white specs. Still curious as to what causes it? Here is one after Despeckle. I have not red specs like this before.



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Oct 17, 2009 at 01:32 PM
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dwweiche wrote:
I would assume the number of processors does nothing to improve noise performance. Noise reduction speed would probably be improved.

Also I don't think multiple processors can improve a sensors ISO performance.

You mention there should be improvements over the 50D. Yes. The big one is 8 FPS with an 18 MP sensor. That's a lot of data to move that is only possible with dual processors.



Multiple processors allow more readout channels, which allows a slower readout speed; lower readout speed in turn allows lower electronic read noise. Part of the reason the 1 series has had better read noise performance is its use of dual digics, for double the number of readout channels, and this has now been carried over to the 7D. However there have been other high ISO noise improvements in the 7D -- Canon finally has tackled the issue of banding noise, and the 7D shows it in its high ISO image quality.

The Nikon D3 uses six processors to read out the sensor, which in part accounts for its excellent noise characteristics. The Sony CMOS sensors process the sensor in a massively parallel way, with a readout and digitizer for each column of the sensor; this helps to account for the stellar low ISO noise performance of the D3x, in spite of its high MP count.



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