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p.121 #1 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread

abqnmusa wrote:
no need to view at 100%
the imges look great when you fit them to your screen resolution

print the image if you prefer

That's what he was saying to you. The noise will good as well, so ISO 3200 is very usable

Oct 10, 2009 at 03:19 AM

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p.121 #2 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread

nobody has posted a full review of a production sample of the 7D? I keep expecting to see a link here... maybe I missed it?

Oct 10, 2009 at 03:33 AM

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p.121 #3 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread

Got a Kit w/28-135 IS a few hours ago from Best Buy. Used the 10% off movers coupon and worked like a charm!

First couple shots just messing around at my house.

Standard in camera noise reduction. Other than that, just resized and converted to jpg using DPP.

Used a 70-200 F4L IS for these. First time using this lens! I love it!

Exif info intact.

ISO 1250
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ISO 3200

ISO 6400

ISO 12,800
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Oct 10, 2009 at 03:53 AM

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p.121 #4 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread

rscheffler wrote:
abqnmusa wrote:

Many people do not make prints. I certainly do not have enough wall space to prints all my images. So what an image looks like on a website or the monitor is what matters.

Who has a 5,184 x 3,456 resolution monitor? No one will view a full 7D image at 100% on any current monitor. It will be much, much smaller, and it will in effect be similar to viewing a printed image in that respect. It means one will not so easily see noise and other artifacts.

Ron

not yet, although lots of 1920x1200 and 2560x around now. I do sometimes like to scroll around images, at least landscape ones.

Anyway, that said, not fair to COMPARE cameras that way, since the cam with more MP could always be reduced and when you print it wouldn't seem like that either, although you may want to see under what conditions you can actually pull out more detail.

Oct 10, 2009 at 05:03 AM

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p.121 #5 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread

abqnmusa wrote:
Many people do not make prints. I certainly do not have enough wall space to print all my images. So what an image looks like on a website or the monitor is what matters.

That is true. I hear my mate continiously complain that print sales are heavily reduced since the digital age (he owns a commercial lab). Also, when I look at my own personal printing behaviour (apart from the prints I sell for a living), I see them reduced as well. That's the digital age for you. Younger generations with cell phone cameras don't print either... they rather share on the internet or view on their cell phones/tv's/PS/whatevers.

BUT... The big advantage is that you really have to give it your best to make images look worse at these kind of media. The resolutions used are so small in comparison to the output of modern day DSLR's (and even P&S's). So noise considerations in relation to this argument are kind of BS, since the noise will hardly be visible anyway. Unless you view photos on your monitor at 100%... which is something only real pros do

Even in 2009 I do not conider ISO 1600 / 3200 / or above an ISO setting for serious use. Maybe for the grainy high speed film look.

Again, this depends on the output and purpose...

Oct 10, 2009 at 08:57 AM

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p.121 #6 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread

It's true - a computer monitor is every bit as legitimate a viewing medium for digital images as a print.

And I know folk who display their images on their 50" LCD TVs.

Pretty much all of my intake of my favourite photographers' work is via their websites and blogs - and I bet I'm not alone there.

Oct 10, 2009 at 10:01 AM

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p.121 #7 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread

CMpixels,

very nice!

Oct 10, 2009 at 10:02 AM

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p.121 #8 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread

UK people. I see digitalrev has the 7D in stock (london stock apparently) for only £1368 inc postage. Is this the best deal going? They have it for £200 less for shipping from Hong Kong but I guess UK customs tax could easily be £200.

Oct 10, 2009 at 11:30 AM

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p.121 #9 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread

Cheapest basic price offer I've seen, Napalm (although it says £1404 here: http://www.digitalrev.com/en/canon-eos-7d-digital-dslr-camera-body-7432.html) - but where have you seen that it's London stock?

Ah - Ebay: http://tinyurl.com/yf9q94g

Oct 10, 2009 at 11:47 AM

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p.121 #10 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread

Yep, ebay. Though maybe it's Hong Kong stock that's been shipped to London? I guess a call would clear that up. Still a nice deal compared to the general ripoff prices everywhere else.

Oct 10, 2009 at 12:30 PM

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p.121 #11 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread

I'm still pretty drawn to this deal: http://www.rgb-tech.co.uk/product/1952 - £1689 for the camera and £230 worth of swag I'd want to buy anyway.

Plus, they're only about 50 miles down the road from me.

Oct 10, 2009 at 12:35 PM

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p.121 #12 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread

garyvot wrote:
I agree, based on my limted experience with the camera so far. I love the viewfinder size, brightness, etc., but it does not seem to be tuned for easy manual focusing. I think if you are into fast primes, alt-lenses and the like, you'll still want a 1-series or 5-series with an 'S' screen.

I sure hope Canon doesn't just drop this new viewfinder tech into the 3D or 1Ds Mark IV without giving us options for manual focusing.

They wouldn't do that, would they?

Maybe's it's just me, but I abhor using 1.6x croppers and fast glass in MF mode. I wouldn't care if they had interchangeable screens for the 7D, I wouldn't be using it. For me it's a FF or 1.3x cropper at worst. IMO there's not a snowball's chance in hell the 1 series will lose their interchangeable screen ability, although the current mk III screens are already excellent for MF.

Oct 10, 2009 at 01:22 PM

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p.121 #13 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread

abqnmusa wrote:
Many people do not make prints. I certainly do not have enough wall space to print all my images. So what an image looks like on a website or the monitor is what matters.

That is true. ... BUT... The resolutions used are so small in comparison to the output of modern day DSLR's (and even P&S's). So noise considerations in relation to this argument are kind of BS, since the noise will hardly be visible anyway. Unless you view photos on your monitor at 100%... which is something only real pros do

Even in 2009 I do not conider ISO 1600 / 3200 / or above an ISO setting for serious use. Maybe for the grainy high speed film look.

I'm only a serious amateur and my main viewing method is an Apple Cinema display or a 1080p LCD TV. I only make prints to give to friends. You are certainly right in that static full frame on full screen even my 4 MP G3 pictures look great. So why are more MP and high ISO important? Wildlife photos. (For others it may be sports or concert work.) To capture an active monkey in the trees of a rainy Costa Rican jungle takes all the ISO and resolution a camera has. I'm pleased with what my 40D captured, but if the 7D can deliver a stop of noise improvement and a stop in resolution improvement along with its advertised AF improvement, it might be worth the upgrade.

One other image display method to consider... I have my Mac screen saver set up to display random images from my Pictures folder. The Ken Burns effect takes full advantage of your image's resolution by simultaneously scrolling and zooming on the image. It doesn't always work, scrolling in on someone's belt buckle, but when it scrolls across a well detailed landscape or zooms in on a sharply captured animal, you see things you haven't noticed before. Of course you can also find yourself being terribly critical of your own work and thinking that if you just had the 7D, all would be solved.

Edit: wow, I messed up the quotes, sorry. Don't try to edit with the emoticon window up on a Mac!

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Oct 10, 2009 at 02:34 PM

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p.121 #14 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread

So, 97 pages later, is there a consensus as to whether this camera is worth owning or not? I'm interested but for every yes there appears to be a no. Humans sure are a fickle bunch

Ken

Oct 10, 2009 at 02:35 PM

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p.121 #15 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread

Mr Zoom:
is there a consensus as to whether this camera is worth owning or not? I'm interested but for every yes there appears to be a no.

Exactly. It appears as if we are reading about two (or more) different cameras. I do not think that there is any consensus ever achievable on the pages of this forum

Oct 10, 2009 at 02:39 PM

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p.121 #16 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread

Mr Zoom wrote:
So, 97 pages later, is there a consensus as to whether this camera is worth owning or not? I'm interested but for every yes there appears to be a no. Humans sure are a fickle bunch

Ken

Ken - I've been following this thread for the last 50, (?), pages or so. You just have to pick out the parts that you want...
For instance, the discussion about "no one views at 100%". Maybe not, But I do crop images, so how the camera handles cropping is important to me.
I skipped the 50D - just could not get myself to "pull the trigger", but I'm looking at the 7D very closely. The images I'm seeing on N&W are encouraging - you might want to pop over there if you haven't...

I'm going to wait until I see something that helps me make up my mind - that has not happened yet.
Ron

Oct 10, 2009 at 02:49 PM

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p.121 #17 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread

Mr Zoom wrote:
So, 97 pages later, is there a consensus as to whether this camera is worth owning or not? I'm interested but for every yes there appears to be a no. Humans sure are a fickle bunch

Ken

Ken ... it is a great camera ... if you are interested, just go buy one and give it a try. We are not going to get a consensus because many people that are commenting do not own one and are not going to be able to form final opinions. Others, myself included, are taking and processing images, but really waiting for full support from Adobe to produce final images and do detailed evaluations.

Oct 10, 2009 at 04:04 PM

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p.121 #18 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread

Someone was asking about an image with 7D and 15-85mm IS lens fully open and fully wide. So here is an example.
Also, the second image was shot at 85mm fully open and at ISO 6400. I didn't even bother to remove any noise. Both images processed from RAW in LR on Mac.

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Oct 10, 2009 at 04:12 PM

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p.121 #19 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread

Mr Zoom wrote:
So, 97 pages later, is there a consensus as to whether this camera is worth owning or not?

From everything that I've seen so far, the 7D is shaping up as a great camera that is lacking in image quality at ISOs other than 100-200.

Reminds of the Nikon D2X - some people bought it and others switched to the Canon 1DII(n) for cleaner images at higher ISOs.

It's a personal preference at the end.

Oct 10, 2009 at 05:37 PM

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p.121 #20 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread

jorkata wrote:From everything that I've seen so far, the 7D is shaping up as a great camera that is lacking in image quality at ISOs other than 100-200.

Strangely enough I have the 7D and it's high ISO capabilities are beyond (in a positive way) any of the previous cameras I had before and I had every single xxD starting with the 10D. If you insist on using beta quality RAW converters (as do most of the complainants in terms of ISO noise) this only is a testimony to the bad quality these deliver currently.

Oct 10, 2009 at 05:42 PM

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