p.4 #1 · 1D owners do you miss the 1.6x crop body?
I shoot with a 1dmkIIn and a 5d and I am contemplating selling the 1dmkIIN to buy a 7d! I may miss the AF of the 1d but there is so much to like with the 7d.
I will definitely however miss the body size and how firm it was.
I used a 1.6x before with my Rebel Xt and I did not really like it. Going to the 1dmkIIn was great and then i loved the 5d as well. Not thrilled but we can still shoot
p.4 #2 · 1D owners do you miss the 1.6x crop body?
I left the 1.3x crop and traded for FF. I'm going to pick up a 7D just to have a crop camera when I need it.
I like the FF over the 1.3x crop. If your going to use a crop use a crop like the 1.6. At least it gives you some advantage on the long end. The 1.3 is a good compromise between FF and 1.6 if you just have one camera, but it doesn't give you any real advantage in reach over a FF. .
p.4 #3 · 1D owners do you miss the 1.6x crop body?
Jim Victory wrote:
The 1.3 is a good compromise between FF and 1.6 if you just have one camera, but it doesn't give you any real advantage in reach over a FF.
That is only because Canon has limited the use of the 1.3x crop to it's expensive 1D line.
Canon's failure to release a higher MP 1.3x APS-H sensor and instead release 15MP & 18MP TINY APS-C sensor bodies is a poor decision by Canon.
You'd be all over 1.3x crop if the 7D was APS-H, as would anyone sensible. That would give a significant reach over Canon's 21MP FF slugs.
p.4 #4 · 1D owners do you miss the 1.6x crop body?
Glen_C wrote:
You'd be all over 1.3x crop if the 7D was APS-H, as would anyone sensible. That would give a significant reach over Canon's 21MP FF slugs.
I agree, that's the camera I was hoping for when the 7D was rumored. But I think Canon would find a 1.3x 7D too close to the 1DIII.
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p.4 #5 · 1D owners do you miss the 1.6x crop body?
p.4 #7 · 1D owners do you miss the 1.6x crop body?
globalkiwi wrote:
Let me put it this way, I seriously doubt I'll be selling the 1DIII to buy a 7D!
+1
I had a 1D3 last year, which I sold due to the AF issues. I bought a 50D to tide me over until the Mk 4 comes out, but after a few months, I bought another 1D3. But at this time, the AF issues on the 1D3 had been resolved. I found out I cannot go back to a xxD series after having owned a 1D series. It's just not the same. I have a 5D2 which I use for landscape and portraits, so it works out well.
p.4 #8 · 1D owners do you miss the 1.6x crop body?
As much as I love the 7D's features, I am still hoping for a 5d2 sensor in a 7D body. It will come eventually but I wonder how long the wait is. I suppose it's all dependent on when Nikon will upgrade the D700.
p.4 #10 · 1D owners do you miss the 1.6x crop body?
I will never go back to a 1.6x crop sensor.
The 7D looks very nice, but still a step back from the 1D MkIII in most areas, except the video which I think is a nice feature.
From samples so far, the 7D looks to be about 1 stop nosier than the 1D MkIII at higher ISO's even when downsampled, so that is a big minus for me too.
Curious, what's the Raw buffer on the 7D? I can fire off 42 Raws at most ISO's at 10FPS on the 1D MkIII using just a Sandisk Ultra II card before it slows to about 1-2 FPS.
Edit: I see the 7D only has 15 Raw buffer and 6 Raw+Jpg
No thanks!
p.4 #11 · 1D owners do you miss the 1.6x crop body?
I doubt I will ever own another APS-C body. I may eventually pick up another full frame, but I can't see operating without the APS-H 1DIII. Absolutely the best of both worlds.
p.4 #12 · 1D owners do you miss the 1.6x crop body?
APS-H IMHO is the worst of both worlds (I know there will be some violent disagreement). You don't get a FF sensor and you don't added pixel density (i.e. reach). You have no viewfinder benefit over a FF body (and indications are that you have no viewfinder advantage over the 7D either). It was a compromise made in the early days of DSLRs and I will rejoice if the 1D4 goes FF. A high speed FF pro AF 1-series that costs < $5k will make an excellent complement to the high speed crop pro AF APS-C that is the 7D.
p.4 #13 · 1D owners do you miss the 1.6x crop body?
thedigitalbean,
I agree with your thoughts. Also, the 1D are just too heavy with the industrial build and grip. I much prefer the 7D weight or xxD weight with the 400mm F5.6 for hiking.
For those of us who cannot afford the megabuck long lenses the 7D and 1.6 crop sensor is a winner. The 1D Mark III offers almost no reach benefit over my 5D full frame. The 7D does.
now a 1D will frull frame and > 16 megapixels would be worth considering
p.4 #14 · 1D owners do you miss the 1.6x crop body?
thedigitalbean wrote:
APS-H IMHO is the worst of both worlds (I know there will be some violent disagreement). You don't get a FF sensor and you don't added pixel density (i.e. reach). You have no viewfinder benefit over a FF body (and indications are that you have no viewfinder advantage over the 7D either). It was a compromise made in the early days of DSLRs and I will rejoice if the 1D4 goes FF. A high speed FF pro AF 1-series that costs < $5k will make an excellent complement to the high speed crop pro AF APS-C that is the 7D.
I disagree 100%.
APS-H is the best of both worlds.
You get much better (shallower) DOF than a 1.6x crop, closer to a FF camera.
Also, you get the extra reach you don't get in a FF camera.
More than that,the IQ of the best APS-H sensor, the 1D MarkIII is better than any current FF or crop camera (lower noise and better detail). Because of the sensor design, and low NR of Digic 3 (which allowed the creation of the FlexNR for the 1D MkIII), I can get cleaner images at all ISO's than the new FF 5Dii. I've done tests with the 7D Raw's I've found online, and even reduced to 10Mp, the noise profile is at least 1 or more stops behind what I can get with the MkIII.
Also the 7D's AF is yet untested... the best real world review I've seen says that the 7D's AF is still a step behind the MkII, (and the MkII is a step behind the MkIII in my 3 years experience with both). Not to mention the other areas the 7D lags (noise, low Raw buffer, build).
I will never use a 1.6x crop again, and have often thought FF would be a drawback. However, that seems to be the way things will go, so I will welcome FF before any APS-C sensor.
The 7D does appear to be the best 1.5x/1.6x crop camera out there by a long shot, besting the D300/s by a nice margin, and it's price is right. So for a sports shooter not willing to spend the $ on a 1 series, it's a really nice compromise.
p.4 #15 · 1D owners do you miss the 1.6x crop body?
w8jy wrote:
I doubt I will ever own another APS-C body. I may eventually pick up another full frame, but I can't see operating without the APS-H 1DIII. Absolutely the best of both worlds.
Agree 100%
p.4 #16 · 1D owners do you miss the 1.6x crop body?
musclepics wrote:
More than that,the IQ of the best APS-H sensor, the 1D MarkIII is better than any current FF or crop camera (lower noise and better detail). Because of the sensor design, and low NR of Digic 3 (which allowed the creation of the FlexNR for the 1D MkIII), I can get cleaner images at all ISO's than the new FF 5Dii. I've done tests with the 7D Raw's I've found online, and even reduced to 10Mp, the noise profile is at least 1 or more stops behind what I can get with the MkIII.
Can't comment on the 7D, haven't seen a production body and haven't compared it to the 1D3. However I did own and shoot with a 1D3 for 18 months. I liked it at the time even with its shortcomings. However the 5D2 and the 1Ds3 produces as good and in most cases the better print at every comparable ISO and at nearly all print sizes (the really small ones don't make much of a difference).
I don't really care what others say, I learned a long time ago to trust my eyes over the opinions of others and thats what I do. If you think APS-H is the shiznit then power to you. The only thing I'd say is don't drink the Canon kool-aid wholesale. If Nikon can make a FF high speed pro camera for < $5k and Canon can make a FF camera for $2700 I think they can definitely make a high speed FF for < $5k.
p.4 #18 · 1D owners do you miss the 1.6x crop body?
Late to this party, but I'm adding my 2 cents anyway
If you are talking about owning just one body, then I wouldn't own a 1.6x. But to complement a full frame body, like the 1ds or 5D, then the 7D becomes interesting for nature/birds, etc. I bought a used 1DIII to replace a 40D for nature/BIF shooting, as the 40D's AF tracking let me down too many times. However, while the IQ and higher ISO handling are great on the 1DIII, the 10MP doesn't allow much cropping when needed. Plus, it's at CFS getting fixed right now, so what good does it do me Seriously considering the 7D to complement my 5DII.
Seriously considering the 7D to complement my 5DII.