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Getting out Gunned!

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p.1 #1 · Getting out Gunned!

My main focus in photography is ATV and 4x4 motorsports. I shoot at a lot of big events and always feel out gunned when I see another photog with 10x the equipmnet that I have. A few weeks ago I was shooting an event RPM Fest in LaPorte Indiana. While shooting the mud drags I noticed a nother photog with a D3 and 200-400vr he also had Nikon 24-70 2.8 and 70-200VR 2.8 glass in his bag. All of which are on my wish list. After talking to him for a few minutes about his equipment I started not to feel so bad about my D300 and Sigma 70-200. Every single peice of equipment that I have has been 100% straight out payed for with nothing ever been purchased with a credit card. I just have to wait and save the money for any new gear purchases that I make. I shot with a D40 and 70-300VR for two years before I made enough money in photography to purchase my D300. This guy had around $12,000 in gear ALL of it he bought at one time using a credit card. He said he would have it all payed for in about 4 years! So in the end he has more like $20,000 in gear that is worth 12,000.

Jul 08, 2009 at 10:46 PM

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p.1 #2 · Getting out Gunned!

Certain gear will help you get better shots, but talent is far more important. I would not suggest borrowing to purchase camera equipment especially using a credit card! The camera equipement will depreciate way too quickly for any sort of a sound investment. Well, the bodies anyway. As long as your equipement is working for you, use it and don't worry about what the next person is using. His is a lot heavier to move around!

Jul 08, 2009 at 10:58 PM

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p.1 #3 · Getting out Gunned!

Yeah, but you're forgetting whoever dies with the most toys wins

Doesn't matter if it's paid for or not (heck, even better if it's not )

Truth is though, the gear doesn't make the photographer. The most important camera accessory is the one behind the camera. You have some top-notch shots on your site, so I don't think the gear is holding you back at all.

Plus, it's better to have things paid for in full. Wish I would have learned that a few years ago before I purchased a REALLY expensive new 34 foot boat! I'd love to sell it, but I owe way too much and now it's keeping me from doing some of the things I want to do. Paid in full is a great policy to live by!

Steve

Jul 08, 2009 at 11:02 PM

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p.1 #4 · Getting out Gunned!

I really don't worry about other people's gear, especially how they paid for it.

Jul 08, 2009 at 11:46 PM

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p.1 #5 · Getting out Gunned!

Don't worry about it. I paid for my equipment with cash, and none on the card. I refuse to put any of my stuff on the card at all, I'll work with what I have.

Jul 09, 2009 at 12:04 AM

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p.1 #6 · Getting out Gunned!

Better to have your equipment paid for than to owe money, especially on a credit card. Owing money ties you down and takes away your flexibility. Beside, the equipment is only 1/2 the equation.

Jul 09, 2009 at 01:17 AM

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p.1 #7 · Getting out Gunned!

I've paid for my equipment when I could afford it. That's because I'm using it for my own use.

However, here's something to think about. If you're using it for business, it's worth looking at putting gear on credit or other finance (please note, this is not financial advise). AndI would guess there are better methods of finance than credit cards, though not always possible.

Buying equipment on 'credit' for business means you can claim back the interest payments and write the equipments costs off.

Having the equipment you need is important. Doing it sensibly can have financial benifits as you can purchase the equipment you need to make money.

There a re two parts to a photography business. The photography.... and the business. Photographers are notorious for forgetting the second part.

Photographers should establish a business plan to go forward. How you market, where you sell to, what equipment you need, are all important factors.

However, if it's for personal use, you don't want to be buying 200-400mm lenses.

Jul 09, 2009 at 01:40 AM

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p.1 #8 · Getting out Gunned!

Get the best shots you can, with the gear you currently have. Someone else will always have something you don't have, NBD. Treat yourself sometime, rent one of your dream lenses and see how well you shoot with it. BTW, the gear listed in my profile is all paid for, cash, most bought used, not new.

Jul 09, 2009 at 01:52 AM

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p.1 #9 · Getting out Gunned!

If you are a registered business, then you should think about talking to an accountant who can figure out how to best use leverage (credit) to your benefit. Sometimes, it's worth it to not "make money" on paper using perfectly legal (non-Enron-like) accounting "tricks".

Jul 09, 2009 at 01:57 AM

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p.1 #10 · Getting out Gunned!

$12k of gear on a credit card sounds pretty silly to me, especially for a working pro. There are much more cost effective ways of owning that kit.

I wouldn't worry about feeling out gunned either. As Andre sensibly pointed out, gear is only half the equation, so if you are happy with the gear you own now and aren't missing any shots because you don't have the correct lens for the job, then great.

Jul 09, 2009 at 10:06 AM

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p.1 #11 · Getting out Gunned!

Definately don't worry about being out gunned. However, it's also very important to have the right gear for the job.

It's better to buy $12,000 on bank finance for something that will produce an income, than to spend $12,000 of your own money on equipment that will make you nothing.

My associate and I have been working on our business plan going forward. We think of it as work that constantly needs to be done, rather than done once and forgotten.

As a side point, there are some good books on this topic. John Harrington I think, has one out. Well worth a look.

Jul 09, 2009 at 10:16 AM

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p.1 #12 · Getting out Gunned!

Would you rather have no camera and no income or have a camera, 12k on the credit card and some income?

What's it to you anyway how people buy their equipment? If you make money with your equipment you should make whatever is needed and suits your company to get it working. If cash suits your company cashflow, cash it is. If a loan/credit card suits you better, that's what you do.

By the way, 12k on a credit card is not as bad as it sounds, that 12k as a capital expense will save him plenty on tax , so it offsets the card interest.

Jul 09, 2009 at 10:21 AM

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p.1 #13 · Getting out Gunned!

I don't know about the US, but here you can often buy stuff with a 12-24 month payment time without the price being more than 5-10% higher. So, if you have to save money for two years to get your stuff, you could instead save the money for two years while owning the stuff.

I guess the economical risks are much higher over there, depending on lower taxes and expensive insurances (that people might not take). I've "bought" all of my new equipment before I could afford it, and I don't regret it one second.

Edit: Do you buy cars and houses with cash too? I don't think that even exists here. You take a loan. And I don't see the difference from taking a loan on your camera equipment.

Jul 09, 2009 at 02:41 PM

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p.1 #14 · Getting out Gunned!

Her'es the important part. He has to carry all that stuff, you don't

Jul 09, 2009 at 02:47 PM

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p.1 #15 · Getting out Gunned!

Buy stuff as you can afford it is the best way to go. My jobs bought my kit and as I make more I buy more then only then.

Jul 09, 2009 at 03:01 PM

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p.1 #16 · Getting out Gunned!

...I am missing the point of this post save for the "mine is bigger than yours" comparisson...??

There's allways someoone bigger, faster, stronger and richer than you! So what! No big deal!

Jul 09, 2009 at 03:23 PM

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p.1 #17 · Getting out Gunned!

dasrocket wrote:
...I am missing the point of this post save for the "mine is bigger than yours" comparisson...??

There's allways someoone bigger, faster, stronger and richer than you! So what! No big deal!

Ok good, I didn't understand this post either.

If you're making money without having to be in debt, congratulations. However, he probably enjoys his gear as well.

I think the best conclusion still is:

Alan Louie wrote:
Her'es the important part. He has to carry all that stuff, you don't

Jul 09, 2009 at 05:19 PM

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p.1 #18 · Getting out Gunned!

It all comes down to how much you are willing to spend to get "that" shot. Pros are paid to get "that" shot, so they drag the big guns around--an editor doesn't care how much gear they have to carry. There was a photo making the rounds of a golf photographer schlepping 40 or 50 lbs of gear around during a tournament. I tired just looking at him.

Jul 09, 2009 at 05:37 PM

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p.1 #19 · Getting out Gunned!

Heh- the interest rates on CC's from financing that purchase could probably be better put towards rental fees!

Jul 09, 2009 at 07:45 PM

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p.1 #20 · Getting out Gunned!

Well, again, if you are running a business, you should consult with an accountant to see if buying things on credit (even if line of credit) is worth it to your bottom line. You may be surprised to find that it may be due to tax advantages.

Examples are:
You may want to a lease a vehicle for business purposes as well, as it's better for you come tax time. Also, if you are running an office out of your house/condo/whatever, then you should be able to charge various expenses to your photography business.

Jul 09, 2009 at 07:49 PM

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p.1 #21 · Getting out Gunned!

There's ALWAYS someone with more awesome equipment than you. Try to be content with what you have.

I'm not doing so well with that

Jul 09, 2009 at 09:22 PM

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p.1 #22 · Getting out Gunned!

I was out driving my Honda the other day and a guy pulled up next to me in a Vette, I sure felt outgunned.

Then on that same trip I was going through a wealthy part of town and all the houses were far bigger and nicer than mine.

Then I stopped at the store and I saw another guy who had a wife was was more beautiful than mine.

I was feeling pretty sorry for myself, then I went to shoot a game and there was a photographer with a D3x. Darn, the one area in my life where I can feel better than the other, because I've got at D3 and now I don't even have that

But then I saw a kid at the game shooting with a film camera and some slow Vivitar like zoom lens.

And you know what, he was happy to be there and happy to be taking photos.

Didn't seem to care at all that other people had nicer stuff, he was simply doing the best he could with what he's got.

So perhaps we all can learn a bit from that kid and stop worrying about if the guy next to you is richer or has a nicer car or more expensive camera and just enjoy what you've got.

Lens envy is really just a step above looking over at the guy in the next urinal to you in my book and no want to shooting, nor in a restroom with that sort of guy lol

Jul 09, 2009 at 09:46 PM

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p.1 #23 · Getting out Gunned!

Last spring I put a used 5D on a credit card right before wedding season. $1600. One of the best ideas I ever had. Paid it off in a month. ONly had a 20D otherwise.

Jul 09, 2009 at 10:53 PM

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p.1 #24 · Getting out Gunned!

Steve Perry wrote:
Yeah, but you're forgetting whoever dies with the most toys wins

Steve

He who dies with the most toys is still dead.

Jul 09, 2009 at 11:17 PM

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p.1 #25 · Getting out Gunned!

runamuck wrote:
Steve Perry wrote:
Yeah, but you're forgetting whoever dies with the most toys wins

Steve

He who dies with the most toys is still dead.

But he still wins

Jul 09, 2009 at 11:24 PM


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