KINGOFKNGS wrote:
Could have had it for 2499 with the possibility of a return just a few weeks ago.
Now, that would have been an almost risk-free purchase.
If a moderate amount of dust is all that's wrong with that lens, then that's not a bad price at all. However, the key word is "IF".
I think Adorama should give PetKal $100 bucks off of his next purchase for this one. :-) I would have never found the auction had it not been posted on here.
Several weeks ago Adorama had four of those lenses......graded (EX+) , (EX), (EX-)
and (V) which we believe is the lens that was just auctioned off. After a month or so, the (EX+) lens sold first. Then I got the (EX) one. Another FMer bought the(EX-) lens shortly thereafter. However, the (V) lens had lingered there for a while at $2.5k as Kingofkngs said, with no takers in sight.
I tried to get more info on its condition but I guess more push was needed to achieve that than I was prepared to apply......after all, I really didn't need a third 200 f/1.8 in my collection.
When I called and talked to Alan about the V grade lens, he kept telling me that V stood for "Victor"--not "Very Good" as listed on their website, kind of an implication that it was in bad condition. That being said, the lens didn't appear to be in terrible condition on the auction. In fact, quite a bit better than I'd anticipated. I hope the winner enjoys it!
KINGOFKNGS wrote:
When I called and talked to Alan about the V grade lens, he kept telling me that V stood for "Victor"--not "Very Good" as listed on their website, kind of an implication that it was in bad condition. That being said, the lens didn't appear to be in terrible condition on the auction. In fact, quite a bit better than I'd anticipated. I hope the winner enjoys it!
True, but what you'd be taking chances on is Function, Calibration/IQ and Glass Condition. Now, those are pretty hard to rectify if problematic.
The primary problem with selling the 200 1.8 is the manufacturer. Canon pretends this top of the line pro lens does not exist just a few years or so after they ceased production. If you have one of these and it needs calibration or repair Canon won't even look at it. If they open a box and see this lens in the box they'll tape the box back shut and bounce it back to you.
I found one like new a couple of years back at KEH. I'd like it calibrated to my 1Ds3 but... : (
Strange behaviour from Canon. There has to be an explanation but I've yet to hear one.
xrayvision wrote:
The primary problem with selling the 200 1.8 is the manufacturer. Canon pretends this top of the line pro lens does not exist just a few years or so after they ceased production. If you have one of these and it needs calibration or repair Canon won't even look at it. If they open a box and see this lens in the box they'll tape the box back shut and bounce it back to you.
I found one like new a couple of years back at KEH. I'd like it calibrated to my 1Ds3 but... : (
Strange behaviour from Canon. There has to be an explanation but I've yet to hear one. ...Show more →
I know a few local repair shops that won't touch a camera or lens if they don't have and can't get either the parts necessary for a likely repair or the parts necessary for things that may break during common repairs. Since there were so few of the f/1.8 produced, and it shares few things in its design with it's successor or other lenses in production, it seems unlikely there's an abundance of replacement parts to go around.
If you own a pristine copy, it would probably be good insurance to buy one of these lesser copies to scavenge off of when things start failing. An expensive proposition, but it is THE lens.
I think I'll just pick up an f/2 eventually and be satisfied with that. Not THE lens, but a freakin' great one none the less. And only one copy required (for now).
Yakim Peled wrote:
He was very polite and explained that it is simply not Adorama's policy to take pictures but promised to look at it. Whatever it ends, I ended up with a very good feeling. Not because of the lens but because of Adorama's attitude towards a potential buyer. Yakim.
An additional problem with this item, but which I didn't discover until 3.30 EST yesterday afternoon - about 6 hours before the end of the auction - was that the item had already been packaged for shipping and was sitting in the dispatch area with 500 other packages........
I absolutely agree with you that it is asking bidders to take quite a leap of faith to bid on a lens without seeing a picture that has been taken using it, (particularly when there is a no return policy on an item).
I'd like to see a change in this policy, and will be raising it with the management team on your behalf.
Sincerely
Helen Oster
Adorama Camera Customer Service Ambassador [email protected]
www.adorama.com
oster wrote:
An additional problem with this item, but which I didn't discover until 3.30 EST yesterday afternoon - about 6 hours before the end of the auction - was that the item had already been packaged for shipping and was sitting in the dispatch area with 500 other packages........
I absolutely agree with you that it is asking bidders to take quite a leap of faith to bid on a lens without seeing a picture that has been taken using it, (particularly when there is a no return policy on an item).
I'd like to see a change in this policy, and will be raising it with the management team on your behalf.
Helen, here is also something that I believe should be considered for advertising/describing those types of items: where there is an apparent deficiency in such an item which might influence its performance and/or resale value in a significant way, an effort should be made to document the deficiency with a photograph.
In the case of that 200 f/1.8 lens, such defficiency was internal dust in the amount which apparently merited a "V" grading of the lens. Yet the listing contained no photograph which would allow someone to actually see what's involved. Almost like buying a pig in a poke.
PetKal wrote:
Helen, here is also something that I believe should be considered for advertising/describing those types of items: where there is an apparent deficiency in such an item which might influence its performance and/or resale value in a significant way, an effort should be made to document the deficiency with a photograph.
In the case of that 200 f/1.8 lens, such defficiency was internal dust in the amount which apparently merited a "V" grading of the lens. Yet the listing contained no photograph which would allow someone to actually see what's involved. Almost like buying a pig in a poke.
In my opinion, you are 100% correct - and I've made exactly that point to our ops. manager, today.
BTW, a significant error on that EBay listing was that there could be no returns on this item. Apparently, that was an error, and the 14-day return policy would apply...
Sincerely
Helen Oster
Adorama Camera Customer Service Ambassador
PetKal wrote:
Helen, here is also something that I believe should be considered for advertising/describing those types of items: where there is an apparent deficiency in such an item which might influence its performance and/or resale value in a significant way, an effort should be made to document the deficiency with a photograph.
In the case of that 200 f/1.8 lens, such defficiency was internal dust in the amount which apparently merited a "V" grading of the lens. Yet the listing contained no photograph which would allow someone to actually see what's involved. Almost like buying a pig in a poke.
I think this is a general problem with most of the used hardware from all of the camera stores. There are times when a used lens seems like a good deal, but I won't even touch it if the seller can't even find a stock image of the item, let alone take a picture of it.
I think it would be quite helpful if all of the used camera stores would just provide the people who appraise camera equipment with a P&S digital camera for the sake of providing images to potential buyers on their site. Otherwise it feels like a gamble and few really want to gamble on the subjective ratings of hardware.
oster wrote:
BTW, a significant error on that EBay listing was that there could be no returns on this item. Apparently, that was an error, and the 14-day return policy would apply...
kakomu wrote:
I think this is a general problem with most of the used hardware from all of the camera stores. There are times when a used lens seems like a good deal, but I won't even touch it if the seller can't even find a stock image of the item, let alone take a picture of it.
I think it would be quite helpful if all of the used camera stores would just provide the people who appraise camera equipment with a P&S digital camera for the sake of providing images to potential buyers on their site. Otherwise it feels like a gamble and few really want to gamble on the subjective ratings of hardware....Show more →
We always supply pictures upon request; I am assured that plans are in progress to have these provided as a matter of course on the website
Yakim Peled wrote:
Now you tell me?
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
I found out just this morning - my reply was that the person responsible should be shot or fired.......It's my red hair, you see. Makes me crazy! 'specially when our customers are being messed about.....
Sincerely
Helen Oster
Adorama Camera Customer Service Ambassador
oster wrote:
I found out just this morning - my reply was that the person responsible should be shot or fired.......It's my red hair, you see. Makes me crazy! 'specially when our customers are being messed about.....
Sincerely
Helen Oster
Adorama Camera Customer Service Ambassador
Selling an item mistakenly "as is" (i.e., no returns) and then inadequately described as well, is certainly not good. We expect much better from a company like Adorama.
I would also sugest that the front line salesperson who botched up that auction sale posting shouldn't be disciplined too harshly. However, the manager responsible for your e-bay sales operations should be given a week off without pay or something of that nature. That would be a much more effective message to the rest of the organisation.
Be that as it may, your openess and absence of defensiveness about the whole matter is much appreciated.
