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Funny, when I google you I get this interesting info.

"Something you discover very quick when you work for Paul is that you are in competition with Paul. He is paying you to do a job that he will ultimately not allow you to accomplish, due to his incessant narcissistic behavior. If it has the slightest appearance of something better than what Paul can accomplish, then it will be forgotten or modified to the point that it is not really your creation after all. If your task is beyond Paul's capability, it will not prevent him in the least from attempting to orchestrate every aspect of your creativity.
Paul prides himself on his many long past accomplishments in the recording industry. Curiously though, he hasn't managed to save a single piece of tangible evidence to support his alleged 'historic contributions' to the art. He claims to have engineered several notorious '60s hitsincluding 'Wipeout' , 'Incense and Peppermint' , and 'Green-eyed Lady' , yet Paul has no wall adornments or collector's editions, autographs or photos to reflect any involvement in those projects. Most people would have kept some kind of memorabilia to commemorate such an achievement in life, if for no other reason than to substantiate their accomplishments, but apparently Paul didn't consider it very important. One has to wonder why not. When invited as a guest speaker at a recent AES meeting this past summer, he reiterated that he had no memorabilia to bring representative of his early recording achievements and that he would simply answer questions from the attendees.
Paul's next claim to notoriety was his friendship with famed musician Frank Zappa. To my knowledge, there are two books available and assorted internet listings about Zappa's early evolvement in the Southern California music scene, and indeed, Paul's name is mentioned in the context that he provided recording gear for one of Frank's early studio projects. Frank, did in fact buy Paul's five-track Pal Studio, which he then renamed, but that would seem to be the extent of Paul's involvement. There is really no way to tell.
No attempt will be made on this website to detail any of Paul's previous business ventures. It would seem senseless to kick that dead horse. All that will be said in that regard is that one of them involved infringing on a well-known audio company's patent to the extent that he was sued, lost and ended up paying royalties for each unit he sold. Within the studio equipment / professional audio industry at that time, this became common knowledge.
The company that Paul started in the mid-eighties, Paul C. Buff, Inc., manufactures photography flash equipment. Paul, granted, during a quest to assist his second wife, Llynn (he is on #6 now) in her profession as a photographer, discovered a niche market in which he did rush in to fill with a product line of relatively low-cost flash equipment. No attempt is made to disparage against Paul for that achievement, and he has been milking this cash cow every since for all he can get out of it. What IS at issue here is the manner in which he treats his employees and how his ego has managed to grow at an exponential rate over the years, to where he now regards himself as a living god. In Paul's presence, one is expected to show adoration and respect when he himself has not the capacity to respect anyone else's talents or opinions. Paul is NEVER wrong, but if he is, just don't make the mistake of pointing that out to him. That will be your Instant Karma. To insinuate such folly is tantamount to dismissal. Ex-employees have been fired and rehired, in some cases during the same day.


See the little guy in the box above? That describes most people that work for Paul Buff. It certainly describes my most recent experience with the company, which just ended the second week in October, 2007. Hi, I'm Chad. I worked for Paul from 1997 to 2001 as Chief Engineer and most-recently from April to October of this year (2007). I helped design the X-series photoflash units with Paul and later, I adapted the design and drafted the printed circuit boards for the Alien Bee series. There really is no difference at all between the two except the price and maybe the temperature/misfire beeper. I also designed (along with the Technical Director) the LG4X wired remote. I had nothing to do with the RR1 wireless remote system - and I am glad. It has never worked according to spec and the units in-house are on a revolving door status - sell them, give a refund, then sell them to someone else. It's no secret.

I designed and built all the production test jigs used for testing both series of products (WL & AB), which are still in regular use today. Using PIC microcontrollers, I also designed and built all the burn-in room timing equipment, again, still in use today.
In February 2007, I was solicited and enticed to walk away from a good job in another city at the suggestion that Paul 'had changed', had 'mellowed out' so to speak. OK, I'll bite. I did bite. After an hour on the phone with Paul and Debbie, it was decided that , quote "Well, It's sounds like full time employment is in order" and I should come back for an interview. So I did, and the rest they say is indeed history. The reasoning for this rehire was development of a 'new' digital photoflash unit, something I created for Paul when I worked for him previously in 2001 - but he wasn't interested. Now, after seeing Photogenics (now defunct) Solair flash unit with color corrected flash via truncating the flash power using heavy-duty semiconductors and microcontrollers, he decided that he wanted to be the "next one out in the market" with a totally new design. Not. Fact was, I was reverse-engineering the Photogenics as the basis for this new design. There wasn't going to be a lot of difference, oh maybe bells and whistles and a neat display, but that's about it. It wasn't a 'new' concept. But, I was expecting great things in the next couple of years, according to what transpired in that rehire meeting. Boy, was I in for a rude awakening. Paul's words, "We're not in a hurry to get this done. We want to make sure we've got it right before we release it." Too bad he didn't feel like this about the Vagabond II. More on that later.
If you're reading this then chances are you know a little about the industry and the presence that White-Lightning / Alien Bees has, which is substantial. You probably know that the Customer Service aspect of Paul's business is next to the best there is, but did you know that if it wasn't for Customer Service, Paul would have gone broke a long time ago? It's volume. If you saw the numbers regarding repairs and damage control for Paul's short-sided, profit-driven attitude, then maybe you wouldn't think so highly of the product, because eventually whatever you bought from Paul, chances are it is going to fail. Granted, the early 'can' lights and the Ultra series had problems in some areas, but were more bullet-proof than some of the later designs, even though there are still customers that swear by the Zap1000. Regardless, I am prepared to 'show and tell' you examples to substantiate my claim and I challenge Paul or anyone else to refute what is on this website. Bring it on."

Jun 28, 2009 at 03:21 AM
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Paul Buff wrote:
...Brag brag brag - I'm so humble I can't stand it. Google Paul C Buff some time. I just got 69 pages of hits.


Paul, if I had half your success I would still be successful. Lap it up while you can, the dark angle awaits around the corner. And don't listen to the naysayers, they're all just jealous... hell, I'm jealous! How about passing some of that galactic knowledge my way so I can afford those new blasters when you get the wrinkles ironed out.

-Gene


Jun 28, 2009 at 03:47 AM
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Brent,

You must really be one sick and hostile (or jealous) puppy to pull this out of 69 Google pages that tell the real story. Chad is a psychologically disturbed person trying to get even for being fired twice. Maybe you should join his team of hardcore haters - now, including Brent Ward, he has 5 advocates. Chad's work at my company was primarily limited to drafting. Hardly anything he "designed" worked except in his mind.

Most everyone knows the real story - it's all on those 69 pages. Or call any of my employees and ask about the truth, or lack thereof, in the info you so gleefully rehashed. Stick and stones can break my bones . . . .


Jun 28, 2009 at 05:56 AM
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Gene L. wrote:
Paul Buff wrote:
...Brag brag brag - I'm so humble I can't stand it. Google Paul C Buff some time. I just got 69 pages of hits.


Paul, if I had half your success I would still be successful. Lap it up while you can, the dark angle awaits around the corner. And don't listen to the naysayers, they're all just jealous... hell, I'm jealous! How about passing some of that galactic knowledge my way so I can afford those new blasters when you get the wrinkles ironed out.

-Gene

Gene, thanks. I do try to pass on my knowledge constantly. Often when I do that on these forums it is greeted with petty stone throwing. My skin has become thick and I know my 500,000 supporter/customers from the handful of petty haters, and I know its not just me they hate. They hate anybody that succeeds unless they are sucking up to them. Hatred of success is a serious 21st century illness.

Jun 28, 2009 at 06:02 AM
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Paul Buff wrote:
Brent,

You must really be one sick and hostile (or jealous) puppy to pull this out of 69 Google pages that tell the real story. Chad is a psychologically disturbed person trying to get even for being fired twice. Maybe you should join his team of hardcore haters - now, including Brent Ward, he has 5 advocates. Chad's work at my company was primarily limited to drafting. Hardly anything he "designed" worked except in his mind.

Most everyone knows the real story - it's all on those 69 pages. Or call any of my employees and ask about the truth, or lack thereof, in the info you so gleefully rehashed. Stick and stones can break my bones . . . .


It was at the top of the first page on my search, I don't care enough to search 69 pages just to mess with you. I have no idea if it's true or not, but your childish behavior that everyone has witnessed time and time again doesn't really make it that much of a "leap of faith" to believe.

I usually just ignore you, but combine your ego with me being in an ornery mood and I couldn't resist.

Jun 28, 2009 at 06:17 AM
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Paul,

Do it again! Give us a compact, approx 600w/s outdoor pack, with a tiny head.

You've equipped the in-studio market, now give us a product for the outdoor strobe revolution. It's shaping up to be as big as the indoor one was. The Profoto Acute 600B is almost right, barring the price. You could do better... Elinchrom's Quadra is smaller with a truely tiny head (I saw it at a trade show yesterday, on special for A$2500), and will vastly outsell the Acute, despite only being 400w/s.

Almost all of the on-subject posts in this thread are expressing a need for the same thing. And it's not just this thread. Who is going to make millions re-equipping our entire industry?

Jun 28, 2009 at 10:22 AM
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Brent Ward wrote:
Paul Buff wrote:
Brent,

You must really be one sick and hostile (or jealous) puppy to pull this out of 69 Google pages that tell the real story. Chad is a psychologically disturbed person trying to get even for being fired twice. Maybe you should join his team of hardcore haters - now, including Brent Ward, he has 5 advocates. Chad's work at my company was primarily limited to drafting. Hardly anything he "designed" worked except in his mind.

Most everyone knows the real story - it's all on those 69 pages. Or call any of my employees and ask about the truth, or lack thereof, in the info you so gleefully rehashed. Stick and stones can break my bones . . . .


It was at the top of the first page on my search, I don't care enough to search 69 pages just to mess with you. I have no idea if it's true or not, but your childish behavior that everyone has witnessed time and time again doesn't really make it that much of a "leap of faith" to believe.

I usually just ignore you, but combine your ego with me being in an ornery mood and I couldn't resist.


Believe what and who you want. Looks to me like you're not stating the facts and just have a hate agenda. I just did a Google search for paul c buff and http://www.paulcbuff.net/ appeared on page six of the search. Here is the content of this link:

"This site is currently off-line."

Can you say "Conspiracy theory?" Who's being childish here?

Jun 28, 2009 at 06:10 PM
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shoebox9 wrote:
Paul,

Do it again! Give us a compact, approx 600w/s outdoor pack, with a tiny head.


He's not listening. Too busy defending his current position.

-but another +1 for what shoebox wrote in the OP & what I outlined in that other thread. Some company IS going to make a fortune with this.

Jun 28, 2009 at 06:58 PM
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Just curious, but why do you folks think there is such a great demand for such a product now? Photography hasn't changed that much and units like the Norman 200Bs and Lumedynes have been around for a long time. My own photography consists of being near an AC source most of the time and only once in awhile needing portable flash power greater than my shoe mounted strobes. I had a 400w's Lumedyne that never got used. To me keeping the batteries fresh would be a pain. For my uses, something like the new AB units that are AC but could run off an easily sourced battery like a car would be ideal and I an interested in hearing how well they work.

Rick

Jun 28, 2009 at 07:16 PM
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Cableaddict wrote:
shoebox9 wrote:
Paul,

Do it again! Give us a compact, approx 600w/s outdoor pack, with a tiny head.


He's not listening. Too busy defending his current position.

-but another +1 for what shoebox wrote in the OP & what I outlined in that other thread. Some company IS going to make a fortune with this.

I'm not defending any position. I only have some many engineering resources and have to devote them to what sells best.

Jun 28, 2009 at 08:12 PM
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Cableaddict wrote:
shoebox9 wrote:
Paul,

Do it again! Give us a compact, approx 600w/s outdoor pack, with a tiny head.


He's not listening. Too busy defending his current position.

-but another +1 for what shoebox wrote in the OP & what I outlined in that other thread. Some company IS going to make a fortune with this.


rickboden raises a good question here and actually one which has gotten lost since page one or this thread when the question was raised as to what makes these smaller units being described here all that different than products such as lumedyne?
norman has offered a 200 and 400 portable battery and compact head for more than 15 years; comet has offered a 400 and 1200w/s kit since at least the early 90's and i believe at one point a 800w/s portable battery and small head kit as well, and even bowens offered and still may offer, the pioneer: if these small packs and batteries are what photographers want, why has the growth of these products been pretty static when compared to studio flash, battery powered studio flash, and speedlights?

it seems to me that rather than present these proposals for small packs and heads to a company which is not in this market, these "proposals" and ideas might be better served up to the companies that are in the market and perhaps are unaware of how their current lineup fall short of what photographers may be looking for or want. these companies may be a little more aware than they are given credit as built in pw's are showing up in some of their product lines as well as led modeling lamps. dj le_dez of lumedyne is very accessible and always willing to talk about the company products.

if a company does not want to be in a particular market, i think we need to repsect that and refrain from assuming they are not listening or being defensive. perhaps they know something none of us do about this segment of the market, or
they have already looked at it and determined that there is not enough upside.
if you feel your idea has merit and one company is not receptive, take it elsewhere., but i do have to say that i am a bit confounded as to why people would want to take ideas to companies for product development without having a financial stake.


Jun 28, 2009 at 09:25 PM
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bka20d wrote:
what makes these smaller units being described here all that different than products such as lumedyne?


The modifiers available, and no master controller like a cyber-commander or skyport.

bka20d wrote:

it seems to me that rather than present these proposals for small packs and heads to a company which is not in this market, these "proposals" and ideas might be better served up to the companies that are in the market and perhaps are unaware of how their current lineup fall short of what photographers may be looking for or want.


Paul Buff IS in this market, he just thinks he isn't.

bka20d wrote:
i am a bit confounded as to why people would want to take ideas to companies for product development without having a financial stake.


Maybe because we'd like to have these products available for our own use?


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Brent Ward wrote:
Paul Buff wrote:
Brent,

You must really be one sick and hostile (or jealous) puppy to pull this out of 69 Google pages that tell the real story. Chad is a psychologically disturbed person trying to get even for being fired twice. Maybe you should join his team of hardcore haters - now, including Brent Ward, he has 5 advocates. Chad's work at my company was primarily limited to drafting. Hardly anything he "designed" worked except in his mind.

Most everyone knows the real story - it's all on those 69 pages. Or call any of my employees and ask about the truth, or lack thereof, in the info you so gleefully rehashed. Stick and stones can break my bones . . . .


It was at the top of the first page on my search, I don't care enough to search 69 pages just to mess with you. I have no idea if it's true or not, but your childish behavior that everyone has witnessed time and time again doesn't really make it that much of a "leap of faith" to believe.

I usually just ignore you, but combine your ego with me being in an ornery mood and I couldn't resist.


OK, I Googled paulcbuff this time and www.paulcbuff.net came up on page 13 with a message that the site is offline - none of the junk Brent Ward claims is there. Brent, maybe Chad Pryson has hacked your Google search?

I suggest anyone else interested in this smear campaign do the same and find out the truth.

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Cableaddict wrote:
bka20d wrote:
what makes these smaller units being described here all that different than products such as lumedyne?


The modifiers available, and no master controller like a cyber-commander or skyport.

bka20d wrote:

it seems to me that rather than present these proposals for small packs and heads to a company which is not in this market, these "proposals" and ideas might be better served up to the companies that are in the market and perhaps are unaware of how their current lineup fall short of what photographers may be looking for or want.


Paul Buff IS in this market, he just thinks he isn't.

bka20d wrote:
i am a bit confounded as to why people would want to take ideas to companies for product development without having a financial stake.


Maybe because we'd like to have these products available for our own use?

Glad to hear you know more about what market I'm in than I do.

Jun 28, 2009 at 10:39 PM
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bka20d,

You're right, I got the message, it was nice to try. The reason I wanted to try is that I like Paul.

Regarding if the demand is/will be real. Let's look back in 3 years and discuss it then. The Pro wedding/portrait world is beginning to re-equip themselves with outdoor lighting- due to an educational shift. They/we are like a giant beast slowly waking up to what commercial photographers have been doing for decades.

Once your competitor down the road is showing outdoor images that can't be got any other way, you effectively have no choice but to get serious too, and take your outdoor work to the next level, or close up shop.

Jun 28, 2009 at 10:44 PM
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Three days to AB Max. Woooo.

Jun 28, 2009 at 10:45 PM
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Paul Buff wrote:
Brent Ward wrote:
Paul Buff wrote:
Brent,

You must really be one sick and hostile (or jealous) puppy to pull this out of 69 Google pages that tell the real story. Chad is a psychologically disturbed person trying to get even for being fired twice. Maybe you should join his team of hardcore haters - now, including Brent Ward, he has 5 advocates. Chad's work at my company was primarily limited to drafting. Hardly anything he "designed" worked except in his mind.

Most everyone knows the real story - it's all on those 69 pages. Or call any of my employees and ask about the truth, or lack thereof, in the info you so gleefully rehashed. Stick and stones can break my bones . . . .


It was at the top of the first page on my search, I don't care enough to search 69 pages just to mess with you. I have no idea if it's true or not, but your childish behavior that everyone has witnessed time and time again doesn't really make it that much of a "leap of faith" to believe.

I usually just ignore you, but combine your ego with me being in an ornery mood and I couldn't resist.


OK, I Googled paulcbuff this time and www.paulcbuff.net came up on page 13 with a message that the site is offline - none of the junk Brent Ward claims is there. Brent, maybe Chad Pryson has hacked your Google search?

I suggest anyone else interested in this smear campaign do the same and find out the truth.


I've worked for product companies before, so some of the things he states on his page hit close to home for a lot of product companies, just not paul c buff.

A LOT of companies rely on their customer service departments to save them from poorly made products.

Like I said before, it's your repeated behavior that even leads people to think things at this link could even be true. Maybe you should try harder to work on how YOUR perceived than trying to squash others opinions.

Oh, here's the link that came up and I have no affiliation or have I ever met the guy, but for some reason I feel like buying him a drink just for driving you crazy.

http://www.paulcbuff.net/old_index.html





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Brent Ward wrote:
Paul Buff wrote:
Brent Ward wrote:
Paul Buff wrote:
Brent,

You must really be one sick and hostile (or jealous) puppy to pull this out of 69 Google pages that tell the real story. Chad is a psychologically disturbed person trying to get even for being fired twice. Maybe you should join his team of hardcore haters - now, including Brent Ward, he has 5 advocates. Chad's work at my company was primarily limited to drafting. Hardly anything he "designed" worked except in his mind.

Most everyone knows the real story - it's all on those 69 pages. Or call any of my employees and ask about the truth, or lack thereof, in the info you so gleefully rehashed. Stick and stones can break my bones . . . .


It was at the top of the first page on my search, I don't care enough to search 69 pages just to mess with you. I have no idea if it's true or not, but your childish behavior that everyone has witnessed time and time again doesn't really make it that much of a "leap of faith" to believe.

I usually just ignore you, but combine your ego with me being in an ornery mood and I couldn't resist.


OK, I Googled paulcbuff this time and www.paulcbuff.net came up on page 13 with a message that the site is offline - none of the junk Brent Ward claims is there. Brent, maybe Chad Pryson has hacked your Google search?

I suggest anyone else interested in this smear campaign do the same and find out the truth.


I've worked for product companies before, so some of the things he states on his page hit close to home for a lot of product companies, just not paul c buff.

A LOT of companies rely on their customer service departments to save them from poorly made products.

Like I said before, it's your repeated behavior that even leads people to think things at this link could even be true. Maybe you should try harder to work on how YOUR perceived than trying to squash others opinions.

Oh, here's the link that came up and I have no affiliation or have I ever met the guy, but for some reason I feel like buying him a drink just for driving you crazy.

http://www.paulcbuff.net/old_index.html




Whatever. You have posted an archive link that's been dead for a year or so. Old old news thats been hashed through and forgotten here a long time ago.. Guess your Google works different than mine.

As to how I am perceived, I'd say I have about a 99.5% approval rating from customers, including the 3/10% or so that have taken us up on our absolute satisfaction guarantee. Our customer service hides nothing. We typically get a couple dozen thank you notes and glowing comments on our products and business practices per week, and maybe one negative note every couple of months. I'm satisfied with this track record for a 28 year old business with 500,000 customers.

Again, believe what and who you choose. I sleep well at night and my customers and employees like me except the one's I've had to fire. As for driving me crazy, I don't even bother to do anything with Mr. Pryson - he's like a gnat to me as are a few people here like yourself. Real people know what's what.

Jun 29, 2009 at 02:39 AM
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Paul Buff wrote:
Brent Ward wrote:
Paul Buff wrote:
Brent Ward wrote:
Paul Buff wrote:
Brent,

You must really be one sick and hostile (or jealous) puppy to pull this out of 69 Google pages that tell the real story. Chad is a psychologically disturbed person trying to get even for being fired twice. Maybe you should join his team of hardcore haters - now, including Brent Ward, he has 5 advocates. Chad's work at my company was primarily limited to drafting. Hardly anything he "designed" worked except in his mind.

Most everyone knows the real story - it's all on those 69 pages. Or call any of my employees and ask about the truth, or lack thereof, in the info you so gleefully rehashed. Stick and stones can break my bones . . . .


It was at the top of the first page on my search, I don't care enough to search 69 pages just to mess with you. I have no idea if it's true or not, but your childish behavior that everyone has witnessed time and time again doesn't really make it that much of a "leap of faith" to believe.

I usually just ignore you, but combine your ego with me being in an ornery mood and I couldn't resist.


OK, I Googled paulcbuff this time and www.paulcbuff.net came up on page 13 with a message that the site is offline - none of the junk Brent Ward claims is there. Brent, maybe Chad Pryson has hacked your Google search?

I suggest anyone else interested in this smear campaign do the same and find out the truth.


I've worked for product companies before, so some of the things he states on his page hit close to home for a lot of product companies, just not paul c buff.

A LOT of companies rely on their customer service departments to save them from poorly made products.

Like I said before, it's your repeated behavior that even leads people to think things at this link could even be true. Maybe you should try harder to work on how YOUR perceived than trying to squash others opinions.

Oh, here's the link that came up and I have no affiliation or have I ever met the guy, but for some reason I feel like buying him a drink just for driving you crazy.

http://www.paulcbuff.net/old_index.html




Whatever. You have posted an archive link that's been dead for a year or so. Old old news thats been hashed through and forgotten here a long time ago.. Guess your Google works different than mine.

As to how I am perceived, I'd say I have about a 99.5% approval rating from customers, including the 3/10% or so that have taken us up on our absolute satisfaction guarantee. Our customer service hides nothing. We typically get a couple dozen thank you notes and glowing comments on our products and business practices per week, and maybe one negative note every couple of months. I'm satisfied with this track record for a 28 year old business with 500,000 customers.

Again, believe what and who you choose. I sleep well at night and my customers and employees like me except the one's I've had to fire. As for driving me crazy, I don't even bother to do anything with Mr. Pryson - he's like a gnat to me as are a few people here like yourself. Real people know what's what.


I never said how your COMPANY is perceived, I said how YOUR perceived.

We're all gnats in your mind paul...that's the point.


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Do I really care how Brent Ward perceives me? It's my customers and employees I care about and I'm doing just fine with them.

Jun 29, 2009 at 08:01 AM
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Brent,

You're arguing with a multi million $ businessman who obviously isn't losing sleep over your opinion of him.

Not only that, but the only CEO who spends time on public forums answering questions about his products.

It's easy to see why others don't. Is there a point to this?

Jun 29, 2009 at 09:35 AM
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Its very odd how you people are airing your personal grievances in a public forum.
Whats worse is that I bothered to read some of it.

Peter

Architectural Photography by Peter Montanti, www.mountainphotographics.com

Jun 29, 2009 at 10:28 AM
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Peter,
You do nice work and are a good example of a "commercial photographer" who likely owns his own lighting. I assume you are monitoring this thread because of an interest or need in portable flash. I'd be curious about kind of flash gear would get you excited. Apologies if you have already posted on this.

Rick

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shatterkiss wrote:
A high-end makeup artist, with assistant, for a shoot on that scale could cost $1,500+/day. The retouching could have easily billed at $500/hour. Compared to labor fees like that, which aren't considered unreasonable, no one bats an eyelash at $500/day for production RVs or $2,500 for crafts services...or a $3,500 rental gear package.


Thanks for the behind the scenes report on costs of a true commercial shoot.
I'm amazed they're willing to pay so much for retouching and makeup
Even a full set of profoto blacklines would be a drop in the bucket for them...


Jun 29, 2009 at 04:51 PM
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rickboden wrote:
Peter,
... I assume you are monitoring this thread because of an interest or need in portable flash. I'd be curious about kind of flash gear would get you excited.


Same here. I was shocked to get such little positive response to that similar thread which I started last month. Again:

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/771722/0?keyword=x#7074867


It would be very interesting to see what's on the "product development" wishlist of the pros.


Jun 29, 2009 at 08:30 PM




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