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ovredal73 wrote:
To celebrate Paulīs return on board the FM alt train - some recent walkaround shots with my Dim.Ka converted FD85L on 5D2



Very much appreciated, Andre! Is there a way for me to buy you a beer over the Internet, yet?

Some really nice shots from you, as usual. Congrats on the lens!

Fell off the wagon, back onto the train. I like it.



Jun 23, 2009 at 11:20 PM
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p.3 #2 · p.3 #2 · 5D/FD85L combo


Silentlight wrote:
I thought the radioactive material was part of the coating they used to use. Guess I need to do some reading on it.


Short story is; the radioactive ingredients (lanthanum, etc.) are added to the glass mixture itself, to give it certain beneficial properties (namely refractive index, I think).



Jun 23, 2009 at 11:28 PM
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p.3 #3 · p.3 #3 · 5D/FD85L combo


5D/FD85L: ISO400, @f/1.2, 1/45sec handheld, slight crop.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3650/3654965083_fc97838f41_o.jpg
100% crop
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3320/3655760666_9ffd9a5b2a_o.jpg



Jun 24, 2009 at 12:21 AM
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p.3 #4 · p.3 #4 · 5D/FD85L combo


Nice Jim! Your son?

My youngest daughter (85/1.2 SSC Asph. wide open on 5D, uncropped):

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3336/3602496588_6232361825_o.jpg

This one might be at 1.4, IIRC:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3555/3602496582_3dd1214e3b_o.jpg
(She's wearing make-up for her ballet recital.)

Edited on Jun 24, 2009 at 01:08 AM · View previous versions



Jun 24, 2009 at 01:02 AM
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p.3 #5 · p.3 #5 · 5D/FD85L combo


wjlapier wrote:
A couple from my FD85L. Wide open it's pretty sharp.



Nice, Bill! What cam?



Jun 24, 2009 at 01:06 AM
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cogitech wrote:
Nice, Bill! What cam?


The G1.

I just received a cropped Nikon body and it still won't mount. Something inside at the top of the body is blocking the lens from entering the chamber--I know what it is, but not sure I want to perform surgery. I have another idea, but not sure how to get the rear element out of the f-mount.



Jun 24, 2009 at 01:22 AM
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Lots of great pics guys. I might have to pick up a 5D so I can use my lens on a fullframe sensor. I've always wanted to use the 135L again!


Jun 24, 2009 at 01:25 AM
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p.3 #8 · p.3 #8 · 5D/FD85L combo


If I already didn't have an EF 85 1.2L mk 1 I'd be pretty tempted to get an FD 85L and convert it. And an EOS-1n RS to go with it (or with any of the crazy alt choices like other FD glass, Konica, etc.)


Jun 24, 2009 at 01:48 AM
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cogitech wrote:
Very much appreciated, Andre! Is there a way for me to buy you a beer over the Internet, yet?



Paypal

Welcome back Paul!



Jun 24, 2009 at 02:27 AM
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p.3 #10 · p.3 #10 · 5D/FD85L combo


cogitech wrote:
I was thinking the same thing, but decided to take it easy on our dear Andreas.

After all, he does do such nice work with the EF!


:-) Pengland and Paul: I would probably go the FD-route if I didnīt already have the EF. But still, af is really useful on some lenses. My keeper rate is a lot higher with my 85L than say the Rokkor. I know I have said this before...

Paul! Welcome back! You have been dearly missed!

A




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p.3 #11 · p.3 #11 · 5D/FD85L combo


ovredal73 wrote:
To celebrate Paulīs return on board the FM alt train - some recent walkaround shots with my Dim.Ka converted FD85L on 5D2


Andre, I could look at your photos all day. You are a bloody genius at finding beauty in the ordinary. Thanks for the inspiration.

And welcome back Paul - I have missed you too.



Jun 24, 2009 at 08:29 AM
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cogitech wrote:
Short story is; the radioactive ingredients (lanthanum, etc.) are added to the glass mixture itself, to give it certain beneficial properties (namely refractive index, I think).


More than likely dispersion relationship, which would manifest itself in the complex (i.e. frequency dependent) refractive index. Titania (TiO2) has a very high refractive index at some frequencies, but I don't remember it having as "nice" a dispersion relationship as other metal oxides. TiO2 also wants to agglomerate and crystallize, so it's probably harder to work with than older materials.

In human speak--the old glasses were likely easier to formulate and get a good color spectrum. This is mere speculation, and I'm not too keen on going out into my materials books to look up a bunch of ceramics to make a better postulation, sorry.

D



Jun 24, 2009 at 02:53 PM
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p.3 #13 · p.3 #13 · 5D/FD85L combo


Wow, what a compliment Thank you Richard!

And Paul - great shots, especially do I love the first one of your daugther. And if ever in Toronto I will take you up on that beer



Jun 24, 2009 at 02:55 PM
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p.3 #14 · p.3 #14 · 5D/FD85L combo


Thanks Andre. Certainly do let me know if you ever plan to visit Toronto.

With regards to sharpness of the FD vs. the EF vs. the SSC Asph. I don't think there are enough comparisons to draw any solid conclusions. In the end, I think they all must be pretty damned good

Here is a shot with the SSC Asph. wide open on 5D. I have posted it before, but here I'll include a 100% crop as well.

Apparently, Zeiss does not have a monopoly on "3D effect":

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3642/3602496534_34f3e7b3a5_o.jpg

People who have some reason why they don't want an 85/1.2 often complain that the DoF at 1.2 is useless anyway. I strongly disagree.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3634/3657504546_1877dea17f_o.jpg

I think Flickr does some further JPEG compression on these, not sure.

Notice, not even a hint of CA on his collar ring/tags.

Even if the EF is sharper than this wide open, I'm pretty confident I don't need it.

BTW, yes, I did say "want a biscuit" for this shot



Jun 24, 2009 at 04:01 PM
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Is it just me or does the bokeh of the tree blossoms look more "dreamier" than what I think the EF 85L II would render. Definitely nice having less CA with the FD's than the EF but need AF for quick non-posed portrait shooting. I wanted to get a FD 55 1.2 SSC Aspherical but the prices are too high, thank you Kevin's Cameras, as it the EF 50 1.2 is not as strong a performer as the 85L II. Because of wanting AF I went the Contax N 50 1.4 route.
One thing I wanted to ask about the FD 85:
Does it tend to want to easily blow out the sky in outdoor full sun portrait shots like the EF 85?
John of Pebbleplace mentions this one nuisance with the EF 85L which I agree my copy does this too.

Welcome back Paul, and yes your dog definitely deserves a treat for his great posing work.



Jun 24, 2009 at 05:22 PM
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p.3 #16 · p.3 #16 · 5D/FD85L combo


Paul, that is really a gorgeous shot!


Jun 24, 2009 at 05:54 PM
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p.3 #17 · p.3 #17 · 5D/FD85L combo


Thanks guys.

Wayne, I'm not sure what the EF would have done with this photo. Some of the tree branches are pretty close to the plane of focus there and I agree that they are rendered very well. Andreas (Anden) recently showed us a family shot that really put the EF to the test. Maybe the EF would have rendered the branches in my scene more like the highlights in Andreas' pic, but so many other factors are involved that it is basically meaningless to extrapolate. The lighting in Andreas' shot was completely different, for instance.

The only way to know for sure is for me to rent an EF for a weekend...




Jun 24, 2009 at 06:48 PM
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p.3 #18 · p.3 #18 · 5D/FD85L combo


I was just looking through my RAWs for some EXIF info on that shot and discovered that this shot is even better:

Since I know the EXIF info now: 5D, ISO 400, 1/200th, hand held, 8:30pm in May.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2425/3658188427_6746d32cee_o.jpg

...and the 100% crop:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3338/3658188441_1a57397170_o.jpg

Whenever I use this lens and then get the RAWs up on my monitor, my jaw just drops and then I giggle like a school girl.



Jun 25, 2009 at 02:23 AM
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p.3 #19 · p.3 #19 · 5D/FD85L combo


My time with this 5D/FD85L combo was short lived as you can see from this photo:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3400/3656627827_c70268e35a_o.jpg
Pardon the blur, as the photo was taken at 1/10 second, and I was shaking with apprehension at how much the repair will cost.

So expecting the unfortunate event to cost money and the tooling costs I am facing for a new 303 stainless EF back for FD and Leica R lenses, I bailed. That fav 85L is going to a new home.

So, will I return to FD85L land? Probably, as I believe the lens is as good as the EF version. Erwin Puts thinks so, too, if that means anything. There is also that absolute joy in shooting this lens, provided the viewfinder is accurate. The deal breaker is the 5D mirror.

Canon doesn't sell just the mirror, but the mirror assembly for $217, plus tax and shipping, and minus instructions for install. So, I'm asking myself, Is there any other comparable alternatives to this lens, save the EF version, for a stock 5D mirror?



Jun 25, 2009 at 02:26 AM
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p.3 #20 · p.3 #20 · 5D/FD85L combo


OUCH!

Wow. I don't know what to say. That sucks...

Did it fall off due to grinding/shaving stress or did the mirror smack into the lens?

Keep in mind that Canon has identified an issue with 5D mirrors falling off and they are repairing them for free. Call them and tell them your 5D mirror fell off. Send it in with no mirror. I bet they just fix it and send it back.

There's always the Contax.



Jun 25, 2009 at 02:33 AM
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