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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · 28-105 USM vs. 24-105L??? - HELP


I'm looking for a touch of advice on the comparison between the two lenses...I would like to know for general shooting if the 28-105 will hold it's own with the 24-105 f/4. I know the 28-105 is variable aperture(f/3.5-4.5), but it is 1/2 a stop faster wide, and only 1/2 stop slower at tele end. I love to shoot outdoors with a 5D(12.7mp). I have the 24-105 f/4, and love it, but could I be just as happy with a lower cost lens? Also, is the additional 2mm on each side of the wide that noticable? Thanks in advance....


May 29, 2009 at 12:05 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · 28-105 USM vs. 24-105L??? - HELP


Despite their similar focal lengths, these are two very different lenses. There are good reasons for the L's significantly higher price.

24-105 f/4 L IS advantages:
1. IS - this is a huge advantage if you plan to use available light and more than makes up for the loss of a half-stop of aperture on the wide end.
2. Image quality - The optics on the L are FAR nicer. This should provide ample proof: http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?CameraComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0&Lens=302&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=355
3. Build quality - the L mates very well with the 5D. I have a feeling you will find the 28-105 to be insubstantial in comparison.
4. Focal range - 24mm is a good bit wider than 28.

28-105 advantages:
1. Price - obviously, the 28-105 is far cheaper.
2. Size & Weight - while it won't feel as balanced with the 5D, the 28-105 will save you size and weight.

The 28-105 is a nice lens *for what it is*, but it's really not comparable to the 24-105 L. The more comparable alternative might be the 28-135 IS. It at least adds IS and some extra reach, though it's not really in the L's league either.



May 29, 2009 at 05:19 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · 28-105 USM vs. 24-105L??? - HELP


The 28-105 is a good lens for general shooting. It's a really good value if you are in the 150-250 dollar price range. I've shot some nice pictures at Arches and Yosemite NPs with that lens on a 20D. The only reason I replaced it (with the 24-105 L btw) was that the lens was horribly scratched in an accident. The L is a wonderful lens, but it is also 4-5 times the price depending on if you buy new or used.


May 29, 2009 at 08:28 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · 28-105 USM vs. 24-105L??? - HELP


The EF 28-105 3.5-4.5 USM was my most used lens for about 10 years, and it served me well. Stop down a bit and, save a little better contrast and color on the L zoom, you won't see much IQ diff at 8 x 12 prints sizes and smaller. Okay, the L has better flare control if you're shooting into brights lights or the sun. However IS is a Godsend for my style of shooting and being sharp wide open at F4 is a good thing as well. So I retired my 28-105 and never looked back.

If you're looking for a "cheap" FF zoom, the 24-85 3.5-4.5 USM is slightly better than the 28-105 (at least mine was) and almost as small.



May 29, 2009 at 08:43 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · 28-105 USM vs. 24-105L??? - HELP


i wasn't really happy with the 28-105 on my 5D (i had a 28-70L of course but i wouldn't use the 105 even if i needed more reach).

as stated above it's a good budget lens but no comparison to the 24-105L. Color/contrast & sharpness no comparison.

Note that on a 1.6x crop body the 4mm difference on the wide end can be a real limitation in tight spots, wide, etc. It was a good "film camera" lens that has run it's course IMHO. GREAT VALUE however.



May 29, 2009 at 09:33 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · 28-105 USM vs. 24-105L??? - HELP


I would like to know for general shooting if the 28-105 will hold it's own with the 24-105 f/4.

sorry, there's a reason why one is badged as an L and costs 1000, and the other isn't/doesn't. stop them both down to F8 and you'll see them become a bit more 'similar', though.



May 29, 2009 at 09:48 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · 28-105 USM vs. 24-105L??? - HELP


Before my 24-70L I had the 28-105, and was actually a little surprised that there's very little difference in sharpness between the two wide open to wide open, as others have noted, there's not as much contrast, which can of course be emulated (to a degree) in PP. I also find that the L is better in the red channel, more vibrant and less prone to clipping, I assume the 24-105L will be similar.

For the money it's a fabulous lens, but comparing it to something 5 times the price is slightly unfair, and IS is a wonderful thing to have.



May 29, 2009 at 09:53 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · 28-105 USM vs. 24-105L??? - HELP


As the test by the-digital-picture shows, the two lenses are in a completely different class optically, and the IS and better build of the L only set it further apart. Yes, you'd notice a difference in image quality... but if you need the money, you need the money.


May 29, 2009 at 10:53 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · 28-105 USM vs. 24-105L??? - HELP


Definately not really a $$$ need, just trying to weigh my options. I've made up my mind ot keep the "L". I've looked at several different comparisons, and I'm sure I could "live" with the 28-105, but it really wouldn't do the justice I feel the 5D deserves. Thanks for the sanity check from everyone...


May 29, 2009 at 11:15 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · 28-105 USM vs. 24-105L??? - HELP


jvarszegi wrote:
As the test by the-digital-picture shows, the two lenses are in a completely different class optically.


I call bull on tdp's test, you could have dropped my copy down a flight of stairs then covered the front element in treacle and it still would have produced better IQ than is showing in the link posted above.



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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · 28-105 USM vs. 24-105L??? - HELP


reno.peterson wrote:
I love to shoot outdoors with a 5D(12.7mp). I have the 24-105 f/4, and love it, but could I be just as happy with a lower cost lens?


Nobody can tell but I think it is very unlikely.

reno.peterson wrote:
Also, is the additional 2mm on each side of the wide that noticable?


In some cases, no, In others, absolutely. You need to think about AoV, not millimeters.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.



May 30, 2009 at 01:04 AM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · 28-105 USM vs. 24-105L??? - HELP


Chris Beaumont wrote:
I call bull on tdp's test, you could have dropped my copy down a flight of stairs then covered the front element in treacle and it still would have produced better IQ than is showing in the link posted above.


Fair enough. I always say one test alone may not be reliable, because of copy variation or something else. I have never had the 28-105, but I do still have the 24-85 which is supposedly similar but slightly better, and can say it's not really great until you stop down considerably, although I like the color. But I believe you when you say yours is sharp.



May 30, 2009 at 01:06 AM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · 28-105 USM vs. 24-105L??? - HELP


Yakim...Thank you for correcting my terminology...After my OP, I realized the slip. And...No, having already had hands on the "L", I think the only Non-"L" I'll be mounting to my 5D is the 50mm f/1.4. and even then I'll be upgrading that within the next 12-18 months. Even on my 30D, the "L" is a pretty nice fit...Thanks...


May 30, 2009 at 01:14 AM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · 28-105 USM vs. 24-105L??? - HELP


I have read that there are three versions of the 28 - 105 and the one to aspire to is the Japanese made Mk 2 version. I also read a comparison between these two lenses and the IQ difference was minimal. It is worth Googling the 28 - 105...there is a lot of info out there on this lens.

Having said that...I own one and hardly use it....but I did do a posh wedding shoot with it and the customer was happy. I kept the lens about f5.6 as I recall. I just prefer the way L and prime lenses handle.



May 30, 2009 at 01:16 AM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · 28-105 USM vs. 24-105L??? - HELP


My mk1 version holds its own against my 28-70L. Its a very good lens which I probably didn't realise until I tried to find an alternative (better) lens. It has seen off 2 Tokina midrange 2.8 zooms (28-70 & 28-80) and 2 sigma 2.8's. The only thing that lets it down is the background bokeh which can range from the distracting to truely horrible. But mine is the mk1 and I believe that the mk2 was changed to address this.
It has now found its way into my just going out and travel light bag but when I look at the images it can produce I sometimes have to check what lens I was using.



May 30, 2009 at 06:46 AM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · 28-105 USM vs. 24-105L??? - HELP


Chris Beaumont wrote:
I call bull on tdp's test, you could have dropped my copy down a flight of stairs then covered the front element in treacle and it still would have produced better IQ than is showing in the link posted above.


Generally speaking TDP offers good information, albeit somewhat biased towards Canon's latest and greatest, but I have long since stopped looking at the comparison test section as reliable or even indicative.

Ruy



May 30, 2009 at 06:55 AM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · 28-105 USM vs. 24-105L??? - HELP


This thread and a review I read recently got me thinking - how would my old 24-85 Canon lens compare to my 24-105L on the 5DII ?

The answer surprised me a lot, it did really quite fabulously well. It went a bit in the corners at 24mm but for a general purpose zoom I think I may just carry the 24-85 instead, it's not that much slower (faster at the wide end) and while it doesn't have IS it is lovely and small. The complete opposite of what I was expecting.

I thought there would be miles between them as the 24-85 hasn't done that well on crop cameras but the lower pixel density of full frame really seems to suit the more 'consumer' lenses.

Anyone else found this?

David



May 30, 2009 at 11:00 AM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · 28-105 USM vs. 24-105L??? - HELP


I am seeing from a couple of late posts, that my question begs the possibility of just getting the 28-105 for GP. I like the idea of the "light bag" idea. The 24-85 escaped my grasp a few weeks ago. You are all very helpful....


May 30, 2009 at 12:45 PM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · 28-105 USM vs. 24-105L??? - HELP


BTW...Any links to photos taken with the 28-105 would be great, just to see what it may produce. Thanks...


May 30, 2009 at 12:47 PM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · 28-105 USM vs. 24-105L??? - HELP


There are lenses that hold up well against L lenses optically. The 28-105 is not one of them.

The variable aperture 28-135 is a different story however. Clearly not the build quality of the L but it produces razor sharp images at 20x30 inch at 1600 iso off the 5d.



May 30, 2009 at 04:46 PM





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