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p.3 #1 · Why Go To Yosemite (UPDATE)


Hey, Phil... Did you ever make it down to Denair to see Half Dome?


Feb 08, 2010 at 07:30 PM
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p.3 #2 · Why Go To Yosemite (UPDATE)


Obviously a fake.


Feb 08, 2010 at 07:57 PM
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p.3 #3 · Why Go To Yosemite (UPDATE)


I spent 3 year at Castle AFB in Merced, the most I could ever see looking towards Yosemite was the very tops of the Sierras, the foothills blocked everything else. Aside from it not being visable from the valley, the proportion is all wrong.


Feb 08, 2010 at 08:05 PM
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p.3 #4 · Why Go To Yosemite (UPDATE)


Things like this ruin photography, period!


Feb 08, 2010 at 08:15 PM
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p.3 #5 · Why Go To Yosemite (UPDATE)


Steve Sieren wrote:
Things like this ruin photography, period!



Yeah, but wouldn't it be great? I could sit in my backyard and take pictures of halfdome and El Cap without the drive.



Feb 08, 2010 at 11:45 PM
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p.3 #6 · Why Go To Yosemite (UPDATE)


Sorry, but no.


Feb 09, 2010 at 12:09 AM
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p.3 #7 · Why Go To Yosemite (UPDATE)


I don't know if this helps, but [in best Tina Fey voice]:

I can see Russia from my house!!

Sorry. I couldn't not say it.
Daniel



Feb 09, 2010 at 12:18 AM
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p.3 #8 · Why Go To Yosemite (UPDATE)


Is this map incorrect, then?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/trimmoos/3662612548/



Feb 09, 2010 at 12:49 AM
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p.3 #9 · Why Go To Yosemite (UPDATE)


I want to believe!

If you extend the Immoos line-of-sight westward, it passes directly over the Mount Hamilton area east of San Jose, home of the Lick Observatory. AFAIC, there is no doubt that Half Dome is visible from Lick or, even better, the fire tower atop Copernicus Peak - a mile or so to the east.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/the_tahoe_guy/3183466558/
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http://home.mchsi.com/~lookoutvistas/DiabloHam.htm



Turlock is lower, but also significantly closer. Playing with Google Earth, I see no reason to cry "Photoshopper" and lunge for my torch and pitchfork.

It's odd, the most vehement doubters seldom take time to explain WHY this 'must' be a stitch-up. They scream "FAKE" and leave in a tizzy. Relax, guys. Have a beer, stay and chat for a while!

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Feb 09, 2010 at 12:54 AM
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p.3 #10 · Why Go To Yosemite (UPDATE)


Okay, I haven't been to the area since 1971, so I don't know one way or the other. My question for the naysayers is, how was it faked?




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p.3 #11 · Why Go To Yosemite (UPDATE)


Well lookie here. Somebody else got a shot from the same spot. Not technically as good, but close to identical point of view.

Not fake.



Feb 09, 2010 at 01:02 AM
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p.3 #12 · Why Go To Yosemite (UPDATE)


Enough!
Here is a photo from just below Half Dome looking WEST. This view point is easily in the faked photo. Where is the Central Valley?
I posted a MUCH larger image than usual so you can scrutinized the details.







Feb 09, 2010 at 01:13 AM
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p.3 #13 · Why Go To Yosemite (UPDATE)


http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/permalink/can_you_see_half_dome_from_the_central_valley/

http://geotripper.blogspot.com/2009/11/got-my-own-shot-this-time-half-dome.html




Feb 09, 2010 at 01:29 AM
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p.3 #14 · Why Go To Yosemite (UPDATE)


Henry, the view in question is to the WSW. As viewed from the shoulder of HD, where your picture was taken, the line of sight lies directly behind Half Dome! The most crucial "detail," the low angle view down the Merced River Canyon, is blocked! I suspect there may be some central valley visibility buried in the haze just to the left of HD.

The view you want is 7 seconds into this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XomPFy8vVVg



Feb 09, 2010 at 01:41 AM
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p.3 #15 · Why Go To Yosemite (UPDATE)


Greg, in your example, is it even to scale? Is it 2 images old images blended together to show how things line up? Does half dome look even slightly as big from a 400mm taken on the Diablo range? Maybe on one of the high mtns in the Diablo Range but from the floor of the central valley? It's definitely one of those shots that needs to be proven. The guy in the picture was on a lunch break from working in Curry Village, he just teleported through that magic 400mm lens.

This was taken with a focal length of about 100mm, how high up is the far mtns? How far back or how high do you have to be to see half dome?






PS, it's not a master piece, I'm only human.

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Feb 09, 2010 at 02:26 AM
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p.3 #16 · Why Go To Yosemite (UPDATE)


Henry W wrote:
Enough!
Here is a photo from just below Half Dome looking WEST. This view point is easily in the faked photo. Where is the Central Valley?
I posted a MUCH larger image than usual so you can scrutinized the details.
http://www.hw-photos.com/forums/pano-halfdome.jpg

Henry's photo is an obvious fake!
There are not enough people in the image!
Everyone knows how crowded that spot gets!

George



Feb 09, 2010 at 02:32 AM
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p.3 #17 · Why Go To Yosemite (UPDATE)


This looks possible. Given at least 7 different photos by 5 different photographers at the spot all showing a view of half dome from the valley, this doesn't look faked.

Here are some of the photos (you have the option to see 100% crop on most of them)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/trimmoos/3307713413
http://www.flickr.com/photos/trimmoos/3294080995
http://www.flickr.com/photos/trimmoos/4284551519
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23457900@N05/4307009929
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cmpnguy/3337251856
http://www.flickr.com/photos/imagesinthebackcountry/3346134950
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrphancy/4299269938


Why, and how, would they all fake this in photoshop? Check the 100% crops most of them offer.

They have to be extremely good to fake those. I can't find any signs that point to being photoshopped. EXIF data are intact on them as well.

The thing we have to remember is that this is not a view seen with your naked eye. You won't see this just by driving down the 99. I know because I've driven by that area a number of times and if I saw Half Dome, I would have noticed. This is a view seen with a telephoto lens and in the case with the flickr image, 200mm + Nikon crop body (1.5x) + 2x TC = 600mm.

For perspective, check out the street view from google maps of the approx. location by doing a search for 5278 Hall Rd, Denair, CA, United States. The barn tower in the foreground of the picture is barely visible with the naked eye on streetview.

Keep in mind also that half dome is HUGE. Trying to spot any details of the valley (road, cars, barn tower, etc) from half dome would probably be like trying to spot people standing on top of half dome from the valley.

Also, no one takes a long telephoto up to half dome to check if they can see the valley. Well, maybe now we will! But again, being visible would not necessarily mean visible with the naked eye. You'll probably need a long telephoto, and know where to look, to spot it.

Just some food for thought.

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Feb 09, 2010 at 02:43 AM
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p.3 #18 · Why Go To Yosemite (UPDATE)


Do the math folks, it doesn't lie. Half Dome is visible from Turlock when the air is clear enough.


Feb 09, 2010 at 02:48 AM
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p.3 #19 · Why Go To Yosemite (UPDATE)


I started this post last year and now see the pot starting to boil again.

I'm in the camp that believes Half Dome CAN, in fact, be seen from the Central Valley for a number of mathematical reasons enumerated here as well as from the photo evidence submitted.

Here is a snap shot from my Half Dome hike last October 2009. I upped the contrast sharply to define the far mountain detail. This view would be looking essentially northwest from the summit of Half Dome.

The Central Valley can be discerned at the base of the Diablo Range.

I'll be anxious to venture out to look and shoot for myself.








Feb 09, 2010 at 03:20 AM
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p.3 #20 · Why Go To Yosemite (UPDATE)


There's no doubt about it. It's simply true. I have no reason to doubt the half dozen photographers who have provided photo evidence. And your photo from half dome only confirms the unobstructed view from the other side.

The only people who have no evidence are the ones who say it isn't true. No idea why they are so adamantly against it unless they've been to those spots, viewed it with a long lens, and can't spot anything.

Technology certainly changes things a lot. Our ancestors didn't have the 600mm telephoto we can enjoy today, hence they were probably not able to see half dome from that spot and distance.



Feb 09, 2010 at 03:45 AM
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