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p.1 #1 · Panasonic G1 - Canon FD/Leica/Nikon

Just got a G1 4/3 Micro and my FD adapter gave it a quick tryout. It's nice to be able to use my FD lens digitally with Infinity focus available, even if it is a 2x crop.

Feel free to also show pictures and comments with other lens besides FD used on the 4/3. I just realized tonight that I can also mount non Nikon G lens to my Panasonic as I have Canon's metal Nikon F mount to FD mount adapter. I stuck that on the fromt of the FD-4/3 adapter and mounted a Zeiss ZF lens.

Canon FD 7.5mm F5.6 Fisheye

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Canon FD 7.5mm F5.6 Fisheye

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Canon FD 50mm F1.2L

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Feb 21, 2009 at 05:16 AM

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p.1 #2 · Panasonic G1 - Canon FD/Leica/Nikon

Finally, some interest in the G1!

FD50L photos look good.

Any comment on the corner performance. GetDPI forum is critical of this.

Feb 21, 2009 at 05:59 AM

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p.1 #3 · Panasonic G1 - Canon FD/Leica/Nikon

Thanks for comment on the 50L. That was my favorite FD lens for years. No comment yet as conditions weren't the best for these first shots, nightfall setting in and just taking it out on a trial run, without tripod. I plan on giving it a good run through with all my FD lens and tripod mounted.

Feb 21, 2009 at 06:24 AM

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p.1 #4 · Panasonic G1 - Canon FD/Leica/Nikon

Ha! Thats what my old 7.5mm FD fisheye looks like via digital capture. I'm considering adding a G1 too for my old FD lenses. Did your adapter come from Cameraquest or Jinfinance or ?

I look foward to your G1 images via the vast array of FD glass you have onhand Robert.

Feb 21, 2009 at 11:28 AM

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p.1 #5 · Panasonic G1 - Canon FD/Leica/Nikon

Hi Lindy Cameraquest adapter Stephen had one in stock, it took awhile to get the adapter to work, its just simple turning but not straight forward. Not a problem with good ole 10038 since there is no aperture pin or lever to use so its aperture worked from get go, but the others I kept getting wide open only or partially closed down. Now I am able to get it everytime as long as I take the adapter off the camera.

The 7.5 was the first lens I tried on the G1.

Feb 21, 2009 at 04:14 PM

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p.1 #6 · Panasonic G1 - Canon FD/Leica/Nikon

The G1 and other's to follow will give new life to the FDs. Buy 'em while you can afford to--look at the prices of C-mount movie lenses--especially the wide ones.

Feb 21, 2009 at 04:36 PM

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p.1 #7 · Panasonic G1 - Canon FD/Leica/Nikon

Do you get a focus confirmation when using a manual lens like the FD?

For example, with my Canon 5D and a MF TSE lens I will get an AF confirmation when I get the lens into focus.

Or do you just rely on the LCD?

Thanks!
Dan

Feb 21, 2009 at 04:39 PM

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p.1 #8 · Panasonic G1 - Canon FD/Leica/Nikon

There is a lot of noise in the first picture and the picture of the bench. What ISO were they shot at?

Feb 21, 2009 at 07:10 PM

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p.1 #9 · Panasonic G1 - Canon FD/Leica/Nikon

Silentlight wrote:
There is a lot of noise in the first picture and the picture of the bench. What ISO were they shot at?

Based on the EXIF, those are both at ISO 3200 nominal (Due to the G1's rather pessimistic ISO ratings, that's closer to ISO 5000 in reality, the G1's ISO ratings are about 2/3 of a stop under what's actually going on). In general I find ISO 1600-2000 to be the practical limit on the G1 for colour work. 3200's usable in B&W.

Feb 21, 2009 at 07:29 PM

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p.1 #10 · Panasonic G1 - Canon FD/Leica/Nikon

dlemkow wrote:
Do you get a focus confirmation when using a manual lens like the FD?
Or do you just rely on the LCD?

Just rely on the LCD or Electronic viewfinder.

JimBuchanan wrote:

Any comment on the corner performance. GetDPI forum is critical of this.

With the FD lens corners seemed to be okay. I didn't try the kit lens yet.

Here are several more shots with the G1 and FD lens

7.5mm Circular Fisheye F5.6 @F11 ISO200

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20-35mm L F3.5 @F11 ISO100

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80-200mmL F4 @F4 ISO 100

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80-200mmL F4 @F5.6 ISO 100

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100mm F4 Macro @F4 ISO 200

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400mm F4.5 @F4.5 ISO 200

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150-600mmL F5.6 @F5.6 ISO 100

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150-600mmL F5.6 @F5.6 ISO 200

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Feb 22, 2009 at 07:30 AM

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p.1 #11 · Panasonic G1 - Canon FD/Leica/Nikon

Wow, these shots are really lovely, and as an FD lens owner, they are downright wonderful

Feb 22, 2009 at 04:42 PM

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p.1 #12 · Panasonic G1 - Canon FD/Leica/Nikon

Those files screams for some pp!

Feb 22, 2009 at 05:40 PM

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p.1 #13 · Panasonic G1 - Canon FD/Leica/Nikon

I only had the old AE-1 'kit' lens of 50 f/1.8 but decided to buy an adaptor (bought the Cameraquest which most believe is same as Rayqual) and bought a 24 f/2.8 from KEH. I'm really enjoying using both with the G1---MF is SO easy. I"m used to a reasonably decent VF with the 5D, but this is wonderful. Some have complained about very low light, but with practice--works great. Without it--one wouldn't be able to focus at all

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The first 2 are some of the very first tries with the both FDs
G1 FD 24 f/2.8 f/2.8 1/25s ISO100 (handheld) RAW, processed in LR 2.2

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G1 FD 50 f/1.8 f/1.8 1/30s ISO250 (handheld) RAW processed in LR 2.2

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G1 FD 24 f/2.8 f/2.8 1/30s ISO320 (handheld) RAW processed in LR 2.2

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One from FD 24 f/2.8 taken this morning--saw this as I woke and grabbed the camera--right from LR 2.2 as an export f/2.8 1/160s ISo 125 (I use auto ISO when in A) My personal feeling is it needs a bit more PP, but....

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I haven't had time to really give either a good chance on other subjects. Hopefully this week. I do have both Panny lenses and find the 14-45 very good. The other is fine for my use--I don't shoot tele much. I love using these--such fun and I'm getting better again at MF. Plus--for critical focus, the MF assist is just outstanding--couldn't be easier.

I'm glad some other lens were shown--I really would love that FE I think--and maybe a 35mm (70mm equiv. on G1).

Diane

Feb 22, 2009 at 10:28 PM

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p.1 #14 · Panasonic G1 - Canon FD/Leica/Nikon

White Elephant wrote:
Wow, these shots are really lovely, and as an FD lens owner, they are downright wonderful

Thanks, it'll be interesting to see how well this camera sells to FD lens owners.

picnic wrote:
I only had the old AE-1 'kit' lens of 50 f/1.8 but decided to buy an adaptor (bought the Cameraquest which most believe is same as Rayqual) and bought a 24 f/2.8 from KEH. I'm really enjoying using both with the G1---MF is SO easy. I"m used to a reasonably decent VF with the 5D, but this is wonderful. Some have complained about very low light, but with practice--works great. Without it--one wouldn't be able to focus at all

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I haven't had time to really give either a good chance on other subjects. Hopefully this week. I do have both Panny lenses and find the 14-45 very good. The other is fine for my use--I don't shoot tele much. I love using these--such fun and I'm getting better again at MF. Plus--for critical focus, the MF assist is just outstanding--couldn't be easier.

I'm glad some other lens were shown--I really would love that FE I think--and maybe a 35mm (70mm equiv. on G1).

Diane

Thanks Diane for showing your picts they add a nice quality to the old FD lens in B+W. Look forward to seeing more of your pictures.

Feb 22, 2009 at 11:07 PM

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p.1 #15 · Panasonic G1 - Canon FD/Leica/Nikon

I am hoping that the G1 and successors will take alternate lens to new heights. I just ordered all the adapters and a bunch of different lenses to try. I have the Panasonic adapter coming from Taiwan. That should enable me to put on some 4/3 lenses including the Panasonic Leica Summilux 25 mm f1.4. I have this adapter that will mount my Nikkor lenses to the 4/3 camera which should mate up with the Panasonic adapter which mate up with the micro 4/3 G1. I ordered two different Canon FD lens to the G1 adapter and a couple of Canon FD lens. I have the M42 to G1 adapter coming so I can mount any M42 lens to the G1. I have the Leica M mount to G1 adapter coming so I can get all the Leica M lens, well I am not that rich so I will settle on a couple of Voigtlander M lens for the G1.

Now this is getting very exciting. So far the G1 is working out well with the kit lens.

Feb 23, 2009 at 08:27 AM

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p.1 #16 · Panasonic G1 - Canon FD/Leica/Nikon

I've been trying to find a less expensive 4/3rds to m4/3rds--they all (exept B & H which is sold out--$139) are $170-over $200. If I had the 4/3rds adaptor it would give me a bit more flexibility. Other adaptors are coming down in price as there is some competition--not sure why Panasonic has the only 4/3rds to m4/3rds available (though someone told me that jinfinance on ebay is going to offer one).

Diane

Feb 23, 2009 at 02:00 PM

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p.1 #17 · Panasonic G1 - Canon FD/Leica/Nikon

picnic wrote:
I've been trying to find a less expensive 4/3rds to m4/3rds--they all (exept B & H which is sold out--$139) are $170-over $200. If I had the 4/3rds adaptor it would give me a bit more flexibility. Other adaptors are coming down in price as there is some competition--not sure why Panasonic has the only 4/3rds to m4/3rds available (though someone told me that jinfinance on ebay is going to offer one).

Diane

The 4/3rds to m43 adaptor includes electronics (the mounts are compatible but not identical, the m43 spec has 2 extra contacts). Hence the cost.

Feb 23, 2009 at 03:45 PM

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p.1 #18 · Panasonic G1 - Canon FD/Leica/Nikon

mawz wrote:

The 4/3rds to m43 adaptor includes electronics (the mounts are compatible but not identical, the m43 spec has 2 extra contacts). Hence the cost.

Thanks. I just checked jinfinance on ebay and he states that he will have the 4/3rds to m4/3rds adaptor LESS the electronic connections soon. Since the lenses I'm interested in would be MF, that would be fine for them. However--if I would consider any of the several Oly lenses (like the 9-18), then I would obviously need the connections for AF, etc.

Ahhhhhh---guess I will have to make up my mind. Perhaps---IF--Panasonic comes out with its 7-14 f/4 soon (or at least gives us a date) I can make up my mind. If I need the adaptor as the link to using other alternative adaptors (the 2 adaptor method), then I wouldn't need the more expensive one.

Diane

Feb 23, 2009 at 03:59 PM

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p.1 #19 · Panasonic G1 - Canon FD/Leica/Nikon

I wonder how well a Four Thirds adapter without electronics would work, considering all Four Thirds lenses have electronic aperture with no physical control, and many have electronic focus-by-wire. It seems to me that without electronics in the adapter you'd lose both aperture AND focus control.

As an aside, I wish Panasonic would get on with the video-capable body. I'd like to buy a G1 to replace my E-510, but the thought of a G1 and video camera merged into one is too alluring for me to buy the G1. That is, assuming this new video-capable body is a decent video camera. The current DSLRs with video don't really impress me.

Feb 23, 2009 at 05:26 PM

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p.1 #20 · Panasonic G1 - Canon FD/Leica/Nikon

CKrueger wrote:
I wonder how well a Four Thirds adapter without electronics would work, considering all Four Thirds lenses have electronic aperture with no physical control, and many have electronic focus-by-wire. It seems to me that without electronics in the adapter you'd lose both aperture AND focus control.
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I would use it for an adaptor in order to use other adaptors with it. I'm not sure I would buy an Oly lens--but that's sort of up in the air depending upon what is annouced at PMA I guess. We know that the 20 f/1.7 is due in the Fall. If the 7-14 f/4 comes out this Spring, I may not need any more lenses. I have the 2-FDs and may consider buying an M adaptor instead if I can find the one other lens I would like to have. Then--eventually, we assume, Oly will annouce their m4/3rds and we also assume a few lenses. That would do the trick for me (esp. since I have quite a few Canon mounts for my 5D, so I'm not without lots of options).

Diane

Feb 23, 2009 at 07:29 PM

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p.1 #21 · Panasonic G1 - Canon FD/Leica/Nikon

I'm curious if anyone has updates to this thread. This is *potentially* fantastic for FD users. Everything above looks a little soft, but if they'll clean up in PP, it would be great.

I'd love to use some of my fast/wide FD lenses for digital. I'm assuming that you get the 2x crop, but I'm also wondering, am I going to lose light as well? Any info is appreciated if anyone knows.

in FD, I've got the following lenses so after the crop it would be equivalent to:

24mm f/2.0 would be 48mm f/2
35mm f/2.0 would be 70mm f/2
50mm f/1.2 would be 100mm f/1.2
50mm f/1.4 would be 100mm f/1.4
85mm f/1.2 would be 170mm f/1.2
85mm f/1.8 would be 170mm f/1.8

I lose the wide angle stuff, but perhaps the 24-50 could be used on the street and I could use my 85L for digital.

Mar 13, 2009 at 07:49 PM

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p.1 #22 · Panasonic G1 - Canon FD/Leica/Nikon

You don't lose light. You image circle will just get cropped by the smaller sensor.

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Mar 13, 2009 at 08:19 PM

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p.1 #23 · Panasonic G1 - Canon FD/Leica/Nikon

You're referring to my shots above?? They are pixel sharp at 100% at focus point--considering they were all shot at f/2.8 and f/1.8--shallow DOF which I wanted--or needed the wider aperture because they were shot in very low light (I feel that embedding Pbase shots, already compressed, does degrade the photos a bit). I would put the sharpness up against my 5D shots shots similarly and processed as RAW and shot quite wide open also (as long as I visually get the focus correct which is the only way you can focus the alternative lens with adaptors). They have had capture sharpening and sharpening after resizing for web--I don't like oversharpened photos (IMO), so it may be you like yours sharpened more than I sharpen mine. I use capture in LR and PKS for output.

I added an FD 35 f/2.8--rather wish I could have found an f/2, but can live with one stop slower for now (and found a really inexpensive set of extension tubes for macr with my 50 f/1.8). The lens I'm most interested in is the native Pan 20 f/1.7 but its not supposed to be available until Fall so I may have to consider a faster lens since I really do like using shallow DOF creatively and f/2.8 isn't quite fast enough for me--it throws me back to my 5D for that kind of shooting.

Oh, sorry, forgot to answer your direct question LOL. No, you lose no light. The lenses work as normal in aperture priority with the adaptor (I have the CAmeraquest/Rayqual one).

Diane

Mar 13, 2009 at 09:03 PM

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picnic wrote:
You're referring to my shots above?? They are pixel sharp at 100% at focus point--considering they were all shot at f/2.8 and f/1.8--shallow DOF which I wanted--or needed the wider aperture because they were shot in very low light (I feel that embedding Pbase shots, already compressed, does degrade the photos a bit). I would put the sharpness up against my 5D shots shots similarly and processed as RAW and shot quite wide open also (as long as I visually get the focus correct which is the only way you can focus the alternative lens with adaptors). They have had capture sharpening and sharpening after resizing for web--I don't like oversharpened photos (IMO), so it may be you like yours sharpened more than I sharpen mine. I use capture in LR and PKS for output.

Actually, I was referring to the shots above yours.

I like yours quite a bit and if they match your 5d, then that should be good enough for anything I'll do.

I added an FD 35 f/2.8--rather wish I could have found an f/2, but can live with one stop slower for now (and found a really inexpensive set of extension tubes for macr with my 50 f/1.8). The lens I'm most interested in is the native Pan 20 f/1.7 but its not supposed to be available until Fall so I may have to consider a faster lens since I really do like using shallow DOF creatively and f/2.8 isn't quite fast enough for me--it throws me back to my 5D for that kind of shooting.

You'll have to look to find a 35mm f/2.0. They're a little rare, but available. I purchased my FD lenses used, so I had to be patient and kept looking for the right lens. I did end up getting a few losers in the process, but I got what I needed in the end.

Oh, sorry, forgot to answer your direct question

. No, you lose no light. The lenses work as normal in aperture priority with the adaptor (I have the CAmeraquest/Rayqual one).

Diane

Glad to hear there's no light loss. I couldn't understand why there would be, but I remember reading something where people kept insisting you would lose something. Didn't make sense to me though..

Mar 14, 2009 at 01:06 AM

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p.1 #25 · Panasonic G1 - Canon FD/Leica/Nikon

Jim which ones, I can give you more detail. Yes I agree there is a softness in the WA.

Mar 14, 2009 at 01:26 AM


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