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Archive 2009 · Changing over a Canon T&S lens

  
 
Roy Pertchik
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p.1 #1 · Changing over a Canon T&S lens


I have a Canon 24mm tilt and shift lens. I have read that it's pretty easy to remove 4 screws and realign the back section so that tilt and shift are on the same axis. I have tried to remove the four screws. They are small philips head screws. I have a tiny phillips screw driver that seems to be an appropriate fit. However, I can not get the screws to turn. The strange thing is, I can feel that the screwdriver grabs well if I were to turn it in the tightening direction, but it seems to not grab in the loosening direction. It seems that the screws are of the security type, where the surfaces incline so that you can't back out the screws. Has anybody encountered this? Is there a specialty screw driver?

Thanks



Jan 05, 2009 at 10:09 PM
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p.1 #2 · Changing over a Canon T&S lens


I've read that the screws are a bit soft and care needs to be taken when tightening and loosening. Could it be that the screw heads have been previously damaged? I've also read that jewelers screwdrivers are best. If you're having problems, Canon will do the conversion for you if you send the lens in.

Cheers & good luck!



Jan 05, 2009 at 11:00 PM
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p.1 #3 · Changing over a Canon T&S lens


Yeah, you can do this & there used to be a tutorial on the web. It looked pretty intense, but I am NOT handy...

Tom



Jan 05, 2009 at 11:06 PM
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p.1 #4 · Changing over a Canon T&S lens


Some folks are more comfortable with tools, especially with small ones, than others. If you're not, have someone who is do it for you.

It took me three minutes. You need a good quality jewelers set. Select the largest driver that will fit completely in the cross slots. Press down very firmly and consistently as you turn counterclockwise. It will crack loose, and then spin out freely.



Jan 06, 2009 at 01:10 AM
Roy Pertchik
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p.1 #5 · Changing over a Canon T&S lens


Thanks, Jeff and all. I'm an architect and have worked with tools my whole life, (including jewelers tools, table saws, cranes, and everything in between :-)

I think these may be precision Pozidriver screws, which look like phillips but have deeper cut crosses with straighter sides.... but I'm not sure. I just ordered two very small Pozidriver screwdrivers, so we'll see.

If anyone knows if this is correct, I'd love to hear.



Jan 06, 2009 at 01:21 AM
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p.1 #6 · Changing over a Canon T&S lens


Please let us know if they are Pozidriver heads. This is the first mention I've heard of this. I've saved the instructions to make the change, just haven't gotten around to it.


Jan 06, 2009 at 02:11 AM
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p.1 #7 · Changing over a Canon T&S lens


For everyone who wishes to do this, there's a guide on the bottom of this page: http://www.outbackphoto.com/workflow/wf_42/essay.html


Jan 06, 2009 at 05:51 AM
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p.1 #8 · Changing over a Canon T&S lens


Roy Pertchik wrote:
I think these may be precision Pozidriver screws, which look like phillips but have deeper cut crosses with straighter sides.... but I'm not sure. I just ordered two very small Pozidriver screwdrivers, so we'll see.

If anyone knows if this is correct, I'd love to hear.


Yes, this is typical of the screws used on camera equipment. Normal Phillips screwdrivers do not fit properly, and you risk damaging the screws unless you use the proper drivers.

I don't know if the correct ones are called Posidriver or not, but I got a set several years ago from a camera repair shop that went out of business.



Jan 06, 2009 at 02:16 PM
Roy Pertchik
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p.1 #9 · Changing over a Canon T&S lens


Great, thanks. I'll post when I try the Pozidrive srewdrivers


Jan 06, 2009 at 02:23 PM
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p.1 #10 · Changing over a Canon T&S lens


Here's a source for camera repair tools:

http://www.micro-tools.com



Jan 06, 2009 at 02:24 PM
Roy Pertchik
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p.1 #11 · Changing over a Canon T&S lens


Thanks, molson. I'll bookmark this!


Jan 06, 2009 at 02:49 PM
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p.1 #12 · Changing over a Canon T&S lens


A more basic question. What does having the tilt and shift on the same axis do for you?

Edited on Jan 06, 2009 at 04:26 PM · View previous versions



Jan 06, 2009 at 04:18 PM
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p.1 #13 · Changing over a Canon T&S lens


Jerry, Emile's link gives the best explanation I've seen.


Jan 06, 2009 at 04:25 PM
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p.1 #14 · Changing over a Canon T&S lens


I did the Micro-Tool thing read all the links on doing the change over and was unlucky enough to still strip the screw heads on a 45 AND a 90. Had to send them both to Canon
Need a Micro-Tool Phillips head screwdriver, it's a killer?



Jan 06, 2009 at 06:24 PM
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p.1 #15 · Changing over a Canon T&S lens


unlike a view camera, the TS-E lenses only give one axis of tilt and one of shift, from the factory they are 90 degrees apart. As shipped, if you correct for a building's perspective (vertical shift) you can only use a lateral swing which will not let you bring the foreground into focus, if you align the axes you can do this.

When I got my TS-E lenses I thought I would change the orientation, but have found in actual usage that at least 50% of the time as-is gives the movements I need so I've left my lenses in their original state.

jerrykur wrote:
A more basic question. What does having the tilt and shift on the same axis do for you?




Jan 07, 2009 at 01:44 AM
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p.1 #16 · Changing over a Canon T&S lens


I switched mine over and it was not very difficult. If I remember correctly, the screws did stick a bit. I figure they must have used something similar (but not as strong as) locktite on them. Once you overcome that, you're fine.


Jan 07, 2009 at 09:36 AM
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p.1 #17 · Changing over a Canon T&S lens


mh2000 wrote:
unlike a view camera, the TS-E lenses only give one axis of tilt and one of shift, from the factory they are 90 degrees apart. As shipped, if you correct for a building's perspective (vertical shift) you can only use a lateral swing which will not let you bring the foreground into focus, if you align the axes you can do this.

When I got my TS-E lenses I thought I would change the orientation, but have found in actual usage that at least 50% of the time as-is gives the movements I need so I've left my lenses in their
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Thanks for the explanation. Now I have to decide if my landscape work would benefit changing my TS-E's orientation.




Jan 07, 2009 at 09:39 AM
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p.1 #18 · Changing over a Canon T&S lens


I get most of my tools form Micro-tools. Including an 000 Phillips screwdriver. Many sets just go down to 00 but I find I use the 000 quite often.


Jan 07, 2009 at 11:43 AM
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p.1 #19 · Changing over a Canon T&S lens


They are more likely JIS screws, not phillips or Pozi. That's the typical screw type for japanese camera gear.

if I was going to be doing it regularly I'd switch them over to torx or allen-head screws probably. Less likely to strip.

-Ed



Jan 07, 2009 at 12:16 PM
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p.1 #20 · Changing over a Canon T&S lens


I've worked on many lenses, cameras, and similar devices all my life. When I see a phillips head I use a phillips driver. A JIS is very similar with a slightly flattened tip to the driver. Many phillips type drivers now have flat tips, and the jewelers sets that do will work well. Maybe I was just lucky to have that! What's all this fuss about Pozidriver? I've never heard of it, and apparently never needed it. One simply needs to use tools correctly.


Jan 07, 2009 at 01:54 PM
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