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p.3 #1 · The showdown: 1Ds mkII vs. 5DmkII for sports and weddings

Dawei Ye wrote:
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when it's too noisy make it B&W

I've just noticed that a lot of people on here have quite a bit of noise in their B&W photos lately. Was just saying from observation, that it has such a high ISO that if worse comes to worse and instead of missing out on a key shot is all.

Do you laugh everytime you see a B&W photo with grain? If so, I would recommend getting out more!

Jan 03, 2009 at 03:05 PM

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p.3 #2 · The showdown: 1Ds mkII vs. 5DmkII for sports and weddings

brucem48 wrote:
the 1d3 10.1 meg camera DOES NOT HAVE THE SAME IMAGE QUALITY as the 5d1. shame on you.

Right, the 1D3 performs at least a stop better at high ISO and has a bit more dynamic range than the original 5D.

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Jan 03, 2009 at 03:18 PM

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p.3 #3 · The showdown: 1Ds mkII vs. 5DmkII for sports and weddings

Another thing to consider is the dual card slot feature. I don't have a laptop as it really doesn't fit my lifestyle or work flow, so the best on site back up for me are the dual slots. I used to think it was a joke and overly hyped - then I had cards go bad on me a couple of times in the middle of jobs. Now, it's time for a 1D =)..

Jan 04, 2009 at 03:01 AM

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p.3 #4 · The showdown: 1Ds mkII vs. 5DmkII for sports and weddings

Your requirements suggest a 5DMKII is in your future. It also depends on the kind of sports your husband plans to shoot and with what glass. Are we talking high school football games at night? Basketball games with existing light? Your kids soccer games on the weekend? Or does he want to work for a paper or string for Roiters - traveling and shooting big events etc etc? If he's thinking of starting a "sports shots" sort of gig where you shoot youth sports and team photos and post them online for sale, get the 5DMKII. Heck, get one anyway!

I have two 1DMKIIIs, a 1DMKII and a 40D. My son's football team just played a night game for the championship (and won!) and I used the 40D with the 70-200 2.8IS and 1.4x teleconverter. Tons of reach and worked like a charm.

If you want a MKII, you can have mine and I'll get the 5DMKII...

Jan 04, 2009 at 06:27 AM

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p.3 #5 · The showdown: 1Ds mkII vs. 5DmkII for sports and weddings

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Dawei Ye wrote:
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aggression wrote:
Do you laugh everytime you see a B&W photo with grain? If so, I would recommend getting out more!

I'm mentally unwell

Jan 07, 2009 at 12:46 PM

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p.3 #6 · The showdown: 1Ds mkII vs. 5DmkII for sports and weddings

I shoot both, 5D and Mark III 1D, if you want to get into sport, the best is 1D mark III, the frame rate per second is what your looking for and fast focus. The Mark III 1D has 10fps. The 50D and 40D has 6fps, those will do find with sport of course the more fps the better. The fact that I change my focusing speed is great. If you want full frame, then I would go with nikon DX3 or something, it's full frame and has a frame rate of 9fps.

When I'm shooting at studio, portrait, weddings, fashion, and glamour, my 5D takes care of them...ocasionally I wipe out the mark III 1D to catch all the other stuff.

Jan 07, 2009 at 04:59 PM

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p.3 #7 · The showdown: 1Ds mkII vs. 5DmkII for sports and weddings

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Unfortunately Deb, your qualifiers rule out the vast majority of cameras on the market. Also, Canon simply doesn't make a good "transition" camera at this point. Nikon owns this with their FX sensor which changes to a DX with the press of a button. The D3 is really the camera you seek at the point of your post.

IMO, the 1DIIn offers the best bang for the buck--

Though I know I am in the minority, I would give serious consideration to the 1DIIn. It is a monster at sports, has great high ISO images and can be gotten at a very reasonable price. Though I don't want to start a battle with anyone who has the III, I've downloaded enough images to say that the "vast IQ superiority" proclaimed by many simply isn't as vast as posted. I've downloaded action high ISO and studio images. Though I admit the higher ISO images are slightly better [not by much], studio images are indistinguishable. I've also found the 1.255 crop of the IIn to be very usable and a nice balance between the huge crop of Canon's other cameras and their full frame.

I'm not certain what your husbands expertise nor goals might be. But, if he is just getting into photography, spending $$ on the latest camera may not be a good fiscal move. Any image he could make with the MIII could easily be made with the MIIn. He can use the saved money to market his new business.

Best of luck.

>rw

Deb, what rw says makes some very good sense. I was in the same boat as you, wanting to upgrade my cameras. In addition to my 5D, (which I love) I own a 1D mk2n and thought that I needed more pixals, more resolution, more high ISO capabilities. After giving this some serious thought, I decided what I really need is to work on my post processing skills to better use what I already own. While I will eventually upgrade in the future, for now I'm going to see if I can't fall in love with my mk2n all over again.

Also, they are really, really cheap right now. There's one for sale locally for only $1450.

Jan 07, 2009 at 05:40 PM

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p.3 #8 · The showdown: 1Ds mkII vs. 5DmkII for sports and weddings

I shoot with a 1D3 and 5D. The 1D3 AF is far superior. Low light ability and covers the sports.

Jan 07, 2009 at 11:08 PM

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p.3 #9 · The showdown: 1Ds mkII vs. 5DmkII for sports and weddings

I'll just throw this out... why not consider a less expensive camera than the 1D series. I shoot sports in Hawaii and use my 40D. I then use it in conjunction with my (soon to be) 5D mkII for weddings. The new 50D would be even better. The crop body is actually great for sports as you can get closer on your subject with less of a lens. I can get away with using a 300mm and 1.4x while my full frame counterparts need the 600mm (way more money). The 40D / 50D also shoots faster than the 5D. Sorry, can't compare to the 1D as I don't have one.
Just my two pennies worth...

Jan 08, 2009 at 06:17 AM

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p.3 #10 · The showdown: 1Ds mkII vs. 5DmkII for sports and weddings

nothing compares to a 5D file.

Jan 08, 2009 at 06:45 AM

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p.3 #11 · The showdown: 1Ds mkII vs. 5DmkII for sports and weddings

"-must be full frame.
-must have high ISO capabilities
-must have good images at high ISO"

D700. fwiw, i would have gotten one instead of the 5D2, if nikon had equivalent primes.

Jan 08, 2009 at 07:01 AM

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p.3 #12 · The showdown: 1Ds mkII vs. 5DmkII for sports and weddings

Dawei Ye wrote:
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when it's too noisy make it B&W

too right. when i botch a shot, i can always do a b&w conversion and pass it off as 'art.'

needless to say, i have a lot of b&w in my portfolio.

Jan 08, 2009 at 07:04 AM

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p.3 #13 · The showdown: 1Ds mkII vs. 5DmkII for sports and weddings

Here's a question that I need to look into. On crop bodies, what is the slowest shutter speed you can theoretically handhold? I am trying to determine if it's the focal length of the lens or the equivalent focal length. Let's say I stick my 70-200 2.8 IS on my 30D. I can maybe handhold that on my 5D down to 1/60 or 1/30 at 200mm. Would it be the same on the 30D or would it be more like 1/100 to 1/60? This makes a difference because I don't trust shooting the 30D at 3200 ISO -- the files are really ugly. Then I have to stick my telephoto lens on it. compared to sticking a wide angle on my 5D at 3200 ISO, the 30D can't keep up. And it doesn't focus especially fast in low light. That's why I consider a crop body in the 1D series a great compromise -- possibly even helpful. I could use the high ISO with good results and it will actually focus on what I want it to with my 70-200 (which is already really, really tough to focus in anything less than bright light).

Jan 08, 2009 at 01:35 PM

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p.3 #14 · The showdown: 1Ds mkII vs. 5DmkII for sports and weddings

abam wrote:
"-must be full frame.
-must have high ISO capabilities
-must have good images at high ISO"

D700. fwiw, i would have gotten one instead of the 5D2, if nikon had equivalent primes.

Yeah. We've actually looked into it. I dont' have any great canon primes, so it's not like I'd be missing out with the switch. But canon could theoretically come out with a really great camera soon. I think that's what the 5D2 was supopsed to be. How's the focus on the D700?

I'm ok with the 1.3x crop as long as the high ISO files are good. I don't like the crappy high ISO combined with telephoto, hard to handhold lenses.

Jan 08, 2009 at 01:36 PM

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p.3 #15 · The showdown: 1Ds mkII vs. 5DmkII for sports and weddings

It's all a hoax Deb. Rent them both from a camera shop or join CPS and ask to borrow them for a loaner period. I've used a 5D for kiddie soccer and was fine. I've used a 1DMk3 and true, it's a little better in each respect than the 5D, but dude, it's a camera. Unless you're shooting one shot and one shot only sports, get a 5D.

In the hands of a novice operator shooting sports, there will be no difference between the 5D and 1DMarkAnything.

On the flip side, best camera for your dollar is a $1250 used 5D.

Jan 08, 2009 at 02:45 PM

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p.3 #16 · The showdown: 1Ds mkII vs. 5DmkII for sports and weddings

StGreen wrote:
It's all a hoax Deb. Rent them both from a camera shop or join CPS and ask to borrow them for a loaner period. I've used a 5D for kiddie soccer and was fine. I've used a 1DMk3 and true, it's a little better in each respect than the 5D, but dude, it's a camera. Unless you're shooting one shot and one shot only sports, get a 5D.

In the hands of a novice operator shooting sports, there will be no difference between the 5D and 1DMarkAnything.

On the flip side, best camera for your dollar is a $1250 used 5D.

yeah - a used 5D is definitely our next camera. I know my husband wants a 1D, but he'll have to wait. I can't pass up the used 5D prices and it's the best ban for my buck at this point. Once I book a bunch more weddings, then he can have his 1D...

Jan 08, 2009 at 02:56 PM

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p.3 #17 · The showdown: 1Ds mkII vs. 5DmkII for sports and weddings

Deb Brundage wrote:
Yeah. We've actually looked into it. I dont' have any great canon primes, so it's not like I'd be missing out with the switch. But canon could theoretically come out with a really great camera soon. I think that's what the 5D2 was supopsed to be. How's the focus on the D700?

Awesome. It's equivalent to the 1D series AF. With battery grip, it shoots 8fps. Funny thing. I went out to look for an image stabilized solution in the 24-70mm range these last two days since Nikon doesn't have a good solution in FX format. This led me to look at 5DII + 24-105 and Sony A900 + 24-70. After checking both, I abandoned my search. The 5DII's AF just felt too much like my old 5D's AF, which didn't work for me. FWIW, the A900's IQ impressed me quite a bit, but the in body IS just did not seem to work as well as Canon's and Nikon's in-lens IS, and it felt like a very slow camera.

If you're staying with Canon, listen to the common wisdom here. The 1D series is your camera. Don't get swayed by the allure of the two letters "FF". If you do get swayed, you may find out that another two letters may be more important - AF. You should rent a 1D series for one wedding. I bet you won't want that 5D after that.

Jan 11, 2009 at 01:05 PM

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