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p.3 #1 · Preseason NBA with the D3


kudos Max! great read here... keep em coming

Oct 26, 2008 at 12:14 PM
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Well, I was a BOOOOOORING Game! I left with 10 Minutes to go on the 4th Quarter!!

I used Max's 200-400 on one of my D300's

I know it's noisy, but this was with my other D300 with the 70-200


One is a sequence of this Oregon Touchdown!!


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Oct 26, 2008 at 05:14 PM
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Yamil R. Sued wrote:
I used Max's 200-400 on one of my D300's
I know it's noisy, but this was with my other D300 with the 70-200


Yamil, the shot doesn't look too noisy to me (BTW, nice action shot). Do you recall what ISO setting was used to take the picture? Also, for some reason I don't see any cheerleaders in the background ... isn't there anything you can do to improve the composition and get some pretty young things in the picture?

I watched part of the game on TV and trust me, the last thing I want to see is an action (or lack of it) shot of "guys" playing football ... yeah, "playing", that's the right word ... the game sucked.

The 200-400 (and the 500mm VR2) was a lens I considered to go along with the D300; strictly in your opinion, how did that system "track" moving targets; I'm not interested in how quickly you acquired the target, just how well it tracked, say relative to Canon's 300mm f/2.8 (which I know you have used) and either a 1DmkIII or 1DmkIIN, thanks.

Joe

Oct 28, 2008 at 02:32 PM
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The exif in the images shows this Joe:

# Exposure Time (1 / Shutter Speed) = 10/5000 second = 1/500 second = 0.002 second
# Lens F-Number/F-Stop = 40/10 = F4
# Exposure Program = manual control (1)
# ISO Speed Ratings = 3200

Oct 28, 2008 at 02:36 PM
 



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msauk wrote:
The exif in the images shows this Joe:

# Exposure Time (1 / Shutter Speed) = 10/5000 second = 1/500 second = 0.002 second
# Lens F-Number/F-Stop = 40/10 = F4
# Exposure Program = manual control (1)
# ISO Speed Ratings = 3200


What he said!!

I shot the whole game at ISO 3200, 1/500th @ f4 WB was 4760K

Max is the master of the Color Balance!! This guy rocks!! He's a walking Color Meter!!




Oct 28, 2008 at 02:58 PM
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jkurkjia wrote:

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The 200-400 (and the 500mm VR2) was a lens I considered to go along with the D300; strictly in your opinion, how did that system "track" moving targets; I'm not interested in how quickly you acquired the target, just how well it tracked, say relative to Canon's 300mm f/2.8 (which I know you have used) and either a 1DmkIII or 1DmkIIN, thanks.

Joe


The 200-400 is an awesome lens!! I have used it before, back in 2005 I shot a Mizzou game with it with a D2H!! This particular one the Max owns is very sharp!! It tracks very well!! Like Max has mentioned, with the D3 in particular, the first shot might not acquire as fast as the 1DMKIII, but.... Once it acquires, it rolls and it rarely lets go!! This Combo of the D300 and the 200-400 is great for Football!! As you well know I have shot extensively with the 1DMKIII and the 1DMKIIn with a good selection of Canon "L" Glass!! This beats both the Canons in focus Tracking!! Some say the 1DMKIII has better IQ than the D3, that might be the case!! But.... What good is great IQ if it isn't in focus I rather have a little less IQ and have it Sharp!!


Oct 28, 2008 at 03:19 PM
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Max,

Excellent work! After a couple more games with the D3, I'm sure you will switch completely to Nikon.

For NBA, I use two D3s, 70-200, 24-70, 14-24 and 300 2.8 VR. On occasion, I bring the 400 2.8 VR and shoot from cheap seats.

Our season starts tomorrow and looking at your NBA photos makes me even more excited for regular season to get under way.

Thanks for posting.




Oct 28, 2008 at 05:07 PM
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Al,

The Suns start tomorrow night on the road, but Thursday, they host the Hornets. I also have access to a few more goodies, so I will have pretty much the kit you describe. BTW, good luck with your season. I see your work on SS a lot. Very cool.

The 400 is a great lens and full frame is perfect for basketball, but the weight makes it difficult, at least for me, to react as fast as with the 300 to anything I see. The 200-400 would then seem to make more sense, but at f/4, the viewfinder gets DARK. Also, the zoom ring is a little tough (which I've gotten info from others that this is how it is), which sucks because I had hoped to handhold and zoom in and out, much like the 70-200.

I'll be using 2 D3's, a 300 2.8 and 70-200 for the most part, and a 24-70 and 14-24 for pregame and candids.

Yamil hit it on the head. I've had a good chance to shoot under a variety of conditions, from HS football (at 10K ISO), to a daylight soccer game, to preseason NBA, to NCAA football. In my unscientific opinion, the 1D III really gets out of the gate faster, blasting off that first shot with unparalleled speed. But after that, a sequence can become very hit or miss. And people have told me that my 1D III's are better than theirs, which is scary. The D3 can be a little slow to focus (relative to the 1D III), but once it locks it, it's really sticky. It tries it's best to track a subject, and rarely if ever gives me the WTF shot.

The WTF shot is one where for a sequence, the 1D III will focus within a relative distance range, relating to the subject. Some may be a touch off, some on point, some off, some on. But then, every few shots, you get one, that looks like it's focused on the subject, but only because everything else is so out of focus, that the main subject sorta has the focus by default. It's annoying. To me, this is most common with my 70-200 2.8.

In general, I can say that the primes, especially the 300 and 400 are on par. But the zooms are a different matter. And the tracking ability trumps the first shot speed.

IQ wise? I think in daytime, the Canon has some amazing quality in its file. But I shoot 95% plus of my images at ISO 2000 and up. 800 to me is basically daylight. At those ISO's, I'd say the image quality is about the same, with the Canon being a little noisier because its NR is chroma only, and it tops out at 3200 native. The Nikon tops out at 6400 native, with extended mode allowing third stops to 12800 before making the jump to 25600, which is almost a gimmick ISO.

Regardless of what happens, I think I'm going to stay with dual systems, by consolidating my lower end gear and selling that off, and sticking to best of breed equipment. I still plan on receiving a viking funeral with my 300 2.8 IS (which is still my favorite lens. The 300 2.8 VR is also excellent, but didn't shake my faith in the Canon prime).

Max

Oct 29, 2008 at 03:05 AM




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