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There have been quite a few Buy & Sell posts lately for the Canon 1D Mark 1.

This made me dig into my old 1D files for a review (reminder?) of that camera's qualities. I found some pics that had been among my favorites from that camera. Thought I'd share.

Like the 1Ds Mark 1, I find the old 1D to be a very special camera.

By the way, each of these shots was originally captured as a JPEG.

- Steve



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Oct 12, 2008 at 12:07 AM
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A reminder that the megapixel war isn't what it's all about.

Oct 12, 2008 at 12:10 AM
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Terribly noisy at ISO 1000.

Oct 12, 2008 at 12:18 AM
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I still use my Canon D60 when it comes to studio work. I've enlarged and sold images up to size 30x40 with it. The urge to stop buying newer, more MP cameras stopped when I bought the Canon 1DS Mark II. It took 8k for me to realize the photos coming from it in the studio weren't any better than the ones coming from my Canon D60. Still, I don't regret buying it. You can't beat a full-frame when it comes to wedding work, where you have to mix posed and PJ.

Oct 12, 2008 at 12:27 AM
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I am waiting on one to arrive. And I can't wait to push it to the limits. With its reported AF superiority over my 20d's, I am chompin at the bit to experience it myself. Without even shooting one frame I have already concluded that a second one will be added promptly, iso 1000 noise and all.
Lets see some more masterpieces from the old school legend!

Oct 12, 2008 at 01:20 AM
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lwrnclightner wrote:
iso 1000 noise and all.


IMHO, a properly exposed 1600 image is useable. And it is a better camera then the 20D in every way except battery life, but even that is cured by a Lenmar battery ordered from amazon.com

Oct 12, 2008 at 01:22 AM
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I loved my 1D while i had it.The only reason that i traded it for my 20D was that i wanted larger files to sell for stock photography.For that type of work file size does matter.Here are a few pics of a senior pic shoot and wedding that i did.The sharpness and detail and color the 1D provided are truly amazing.
-Jim

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Oct 12, 2008 at 01:31 AM
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Thanks for the tip on the batts Zander, are third party brands recommended over canon, I read somewhere some of them do not fit properly or something like that.

And I wholeheartedly agree about properly exposed high iso files. I realized a while back that the noise I see in prints is rarely if ever the same noise I see on screen, Maybe its just me.

Oct 12, 2008 at 01:34 AM
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lwrnclightner wrote:
Thanks for the tip on the batts Zander, are third party brands recommended over canon, I read somewhere some of them do not fit properly or something like that.

And I wholeheartedly agree about properly exposed high iso files. I realized a while back that the noise I see in prints is rarely if ever the same noise I see on screen, Maybe its just me.



Lately, I've been printing ISO 800 images from my 30/40D combo, without NR.

Oct 12, 2008 at 01:41 AM
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Yep, the Lenmars are better than the Canons by far. The ones I have fit fine, but you can always borrow the end caps from a junk Canon bateery and substitute them if need be.
And I just had a ISO 1600 1D shot printed, very little noise visible.

Oct 12, 2008 at 01:48 AM
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RobertLynn wrote:
lwrnclightner wrote:
Thanks for the tip on the batts Zander, are third party brands recommended over canon, I read somewhere some of them do not fit properly or something like that.

And I wholeheartedly agree about properly exposed high iso files. I realized a while back that the noise I see in prints is rarely if ever the same noise I see on screen, Maybe its just me.



Lately, I've been printing ISO 800 images from my 30/40D combo, without NR.


I did that with my 20D, as well as ISO 1600.

Oct 12, 2008 at 04:18 AM
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jhapeman wrote:
Terribly noisy at ISO 1000.


Both the "Paul & Jimmy's" and "Japonais" images were shot at ISO 1000.

- Steve


Oct 12, 2008 at 03:12 PM
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Imagemaster wrote:
RobertLynn wrote:
lwrnclightner wrote:
Thanks for the tip on the batts Zander, are third party brands recommended over canon, I read somewhere some of them do not fit properly or something like that.

And I wholeheartedly agree about properly exposed high iso files. I realized a while back that the noise I see in prints is rarely if ever the same noise I see on screen, Maybe its just me.



Lately, I've been printing ISO 800 images from my 30/40D combo, without NR.


I did that with my 20D, as well as ISO 1600.

And this is why I chose to go with 1d from 20d. I was content with the 20d noise performance, but not the focus accuracy, unless it is me, which I doubt, it leaves alot to be desired.

Which leads to me wanting to know if the 1d vs 20d vs 5d "low light" focusing is a legit question. Is the 1d just as spot on in low light compared to the other two?

Oct 13, 2008 at 12:16 AM
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Sorry for the big file.
The 'noise/grain' is digitally added with alien skin exposure (tmax preset).
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Oct 13, 2008 at 11:46 AM
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jhapeman wrote:
Terribly noisy at ISO 1000.


Sorry, I don't agree

This was shot with the 1D at ISO 1600, NO noise reduction:


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See also:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~lex1963/1d-high-iso.htm


Oct 13, 2008 at 04:59 PM
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jhapeman wrote:
Terribly noisy at ISO 1000.


Yeah, people sometimes say that, so maybe my 1D is broken because I'm very happy with noise levels at ISO 1000. Is it as clean as ISO 100? Of course not. Is the noise horrific at ISO 1000? Let's take a look.

Here's a sample shot I took a weekend or two ago. Nothing special, but shot under high school lights. ISO 1000, 70-200 2.8 IS wide open, 1/100, IS mode 2 on.

RAW file, straight out of camera, processed in ACR with default settings, NR reduced from the default of 25 to 10.

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Sure it's all relative, but would anyone really consider this "terribly noisy" for ISO 1000?

Oct 13, 2008 at 07:15 PM
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Ariel Bravy wrote:
Sure it's all relative, but would anyone really consider this "terribly noisy" for ISO 1000?


And for (say) $600?

Even when 1Ds3 cameras cost $1K, I will never sell my 1D classic. Ever. For how much then, $200?

Oct 13, 2008 at 08:48 PM
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The 1D also has a flash sink of 1/500. I do not understand why canon not longer offers this.



Oct 13, 2008 at 08:59 PM
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Sadly, OP, apart from the first image, all your images are pretty noisy !!

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Oct 13, 2008 at 09:12 PM
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LCollector wrote:
Sadly, OP, apart from the first image, all your images are pretty noisy !! Clearly, you didn't need the superior AF abilities of a 1 D for the posted pictures. Well, if it does really make you feel good to own an original 1D, enjoy ! :-)


Seems it makes a lot of people feel good. Did you read the other posts?

As far as noise goes, I don't see what you're seeing. Perhaps your monitor is set too bright?

And, no, the AF aspect of the 1D didn't matter here. What matters is the overall IQ of that camera, AF speed or no AF speed.

Finally ... I don't own the 1D anymore. I was just going through some of my 1D files and decided to post a few of my favorites, as my original post indicated.

- Steve


Oct 13, 2008 at 09:23 PM
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Is anyone else seeing a difference in the noise levels between 1D copies?

lexvo has his legendary 1D with amazingly clean ISO 1600 performance.

My camera looks a bit noisier at 1000 than lexvo's 1600.

The OP's samples at 1000, particularly the 4th and 6th images he posted, look pretty noisy. The 4th image looks like it was drawn with crayons while the 6th image looks like someone went at it with sandpaper.

The color blotchiness in the OP's samples cleans up very nicely in ACR with even a slight amount of NR.

Oct 13, 2008 at 10:54 PM
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Ariel Bravy wrote:
Is anyone else seeing a difference in the noise levels between 1D copies? lexvo has his legendary 1D with amazingly clean ISO 1600 performance. My camera looks a bit noisier at 1000 than lexvo's 1600. The OP's samples at 1000, particularly the 4th and 6th images he posted, look pretty noisy. The 4th image looks like it was drawn with crayons while the 6th image looks like someone went at it with sandpaper. The color blotchiness in the OP's samples cleans up very nicely in ACR with even a slight amount of NR.


Drawn with crayons? Went at it with sandpaper? Not even remotely like that on my monitor. Noise, where present, is so far below the "objectionable" level that it would be hard to detect these were taken with the 1D. Craziness...

- Steve


Oct 13, 2008 at 11:04 PM
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veroman wrote:
Ariel Bravy wrote:
Is anyone else seeing a difference in the noise levels between 1D copies? lexvo has his legendary 1D with amazingly clean ISO 1600 performance. My camera looks a bit noisier at 1000 than lexvo's 1600. The OP's samples at 1000, particularly the 4th and 6th images he posted, look pretty noisy. The 4th image looks like it was drawn with crayons while the 6th image looks like someone went at it with sandpaper. The color blotchiness in the OP's samples cleans up very nicely in ACR with even a slight amount of NR.


Drawn with crayons? Went at it with sandpaper? Not even remotely like that on my monitor. Noise, where present, is so far below the "objectionable" level that it would be hard to detect these were taken with the 1D. Craziness...

- Steve



I agree with you Steve even though I am only looking at them on a 17 inch laptop monitor (calibrated), I don't see what Ariel is seeing. Just normal low light 1D noise. Not the type that would show in prints at all.

Gil

Oct 13, 2008 at 11:37 PM
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Chuck Westfall of Canon commenting on an inquiry about the 1D:

INQUIRY:
"I have owned / extensively used a number of Canon DSLRs, including the 1D, 1D2, Rebel, Rebel XT, Rebel XTi, and 20D. I continue to notice over the years that when looking at screen saver photos, shots taken with my ID are very often noticeably sharper than any of the other cameras. The degree of this phenomenon continues to surprise me. You have previously advised that the 1D's AA filter was less aggressive than newer models. My understanding is that increasing the sharpness setting, when shooting JPEGs would, to some degree, counter the newer, more aggressive AA filters. My question is whether increasing sharpness to maximum on newer models would theoretically achieve the equivalent level of AA filtering on the 1D, and whether such a degree of sharpening would be expected to have a significant negative impact on image quality in other respects, such as moire, noise, etc.?"

WESTFALL'S RESPONSE:
"It's difficult to make a valid comparison between the EOS-1D and other EOS Digital SLRs, if for no other reason than the fact that the original 1D at 4 megapixels had the lowest resolution of any EOS Digital except for the 3.1MP EOS D30 back in 2000. In order to make any comparison as fair as possible for all the cameras involved, we'd have to settle on a fixed output size, such as a 13 x 19 inch print, so that we're not throwing away the higher resolution of the newer cameras before we compare. Under those conditions, I'd say that any current EOS Digital model would outperform the original 1D in terms of overall image quality including sharpness and noise, assuming equal in-camera sharpness and ISO settings, etc. You wouldn't even have to change the newer camera's default sharpness settings to see the improvements, although raising the sharpness settings on a newer camera would increase its advantage over the original 1D. The higher the resolution of the newer camera, the greater its overall sharpness would be on a 13 x 19 inch print, all else being equal. The same logic would even extend to a screensaver image, as long as the image data is downsampled properly. Note that I am not saying the original EOS-1D was a slouch by any means. I am saying, though, that current EOS cameras are much better in terms of image quality including sharpness and noise levels."


Oct 13, 2008 at 11:42 PM
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veroman wrote:
Drawn with crayons? Went at it with sandpaper? Not even remotely like that on my monitor. Noise, where present, is so far below the "objectionable" level that it would be hard to detect these were taken with the 1D. Craziness...




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As is, I find this image completely unusable, and believe me, I'm a fan of the 1D.

You said these were JPEGs straight out of the camera. I'm used to looking at RAWs in ACR which does a wonderful job of cleaning out the chroma noise in the images. Without the NR, the images from the 1D tend have much more visible chroma noise.

The whole left side of that image is just plain nasty, something I'd expect at maybe 3200 on the 1D, but at 1000? Nuh uh.

Have you tried doing some NR on the full size image?

Oct 14, 2008 at 01:00 AM

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