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p.2 #1 · Elinchrom Ranger RX AS Speed A-head & Bowens


rudiphoto wrote:
Ben Horne wrote:
Whatever guys.... go drink your Kool-Aid and be happy. There must have been no design flaws whatsoever in the unit I had. I'm just making up the whole thing about how it's a bad design. I must have been imagining things when I saw what I saw. Feel free to pop off that little plastic piece opposite the lever crank to see how perfect the design is. You'll see sheer perfection --- like a Kia Sophia.


See, it's posts like this that make you sound totally rational!

I never said it couldn't happen - anything man-made can and will fail. I didn't even bring up the word "ridiculous" - that was you! You insist that there is a design problem with the swivel mount on Elinchrom pro-line strobes, and yet you're the only one who's complaining about it...

I don't doubt that it happened to you! I doubt that it's a design problem, because a design problem would result in a failure more frequently than seems to be the case here. S**t happens, and so do lemons, once in a while...



My comments are in response to your message which is quoted below

Well, you're the only one who's had a problem with the swivel mount on a pro-line Elinchrom strobe

All I did was state that there is a design issue with the swivel mount. You told me that I'm the only one who has had a problem with the swivel mount, and belittled my remarks about there being an issue with the design. It may be your opinion that there is not an issue, but you did not have one fail because of this, and I do not think you have seen the actual mechanism. There is a very large amount of plastic in the housings of the freelite heads, and just a small piece of plastic that stops a big bolt from turning. When that plastic gives, the tilt does not work. You do not need to trivialize my comments by stating that the problem does not exist, and that I must just have a lemon.

If you see how the assembly is made, you will see exactly what I am referring to. I only got ridiculous with my postings in response to your incessant claims that I must not know what I'm talking about regarding the design, and that my individual head is a lemon. If that is the case,they are all lemons, because they all have the same design.


Dec 03, 2008 at 04:48 PM
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p.2 #2 · Elinchrom Ranger RX AS Speed A-head & Bowens


I thought the lighting forum was supposed to be the one where we didn't bicker. It's moot anyways. Ben had a problem, he switched. I doubt anyone is 100% satisfied with their lighting gear. Sometimes it's worth it to switch over to something else because a particular problem affects you or your work flow. I use elinchrom, not because of digital control, sturdy mounts, or popularity. I use it because I like the modifiers. There are things I don't like about elinchrom but it makes no sense for me to switch.

By the way Ben, do you have a link to the speedrings with the lightstand attachments? I would like to check those out. It certainly makes sense to balance it in the middle when you've got a heavy modifier on your light.

Dec 03, 2008 at 05:49 PM
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p.2 #3 · Elinchrom Ranger RX AS Speed A-head & Bowens


Eric Schwab wrote:
By the way Ben, do you have a link to the speedrings with the lightstand attachments? I would like to check those out. It certainly makes sense to balance it in the middle when you've got a heavy modifier on your light.



Yes, they are the westcott speed rings. Just buy the additional swivel adapter for it. You need a 3500 series speedring from westcott. These rings have two holes through the ring, which you use to attach the adapter for the swivel. Here is a link to B&H:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/279442-REG/Westcott_2303_Adapter_and_Tilt_Bracket.html


Here is a link to the speedring

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/220991-REG/Westcott_3508_Speed_Ring_for_Strip.html

Dec 03, 2008 at 06:06 PM
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p.2 #4 · Elinchrom Ranger RX AS Speed A-head & Bowens


rudiphoto wrote:
Well, you're the only one who's had a problem with the swivel mount on a pro-line Elinchrom strobe. I just looked at mine, and there are no plastic parts. I vote for a lemon!


Rudi,

Brent is correct. The stainless bolt is indeed imbedded in plastic.
Although I have not had a problem with mine, it's possible that it is designed to be a "shear" pin, so that overtightening will case the bolt to fail before the mount itself is damaged. Bolts are cheap and easy to replace.



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rudiphoto wrote:
Your allegation that there is a design problem is what is ridiculous! If there was a design problem, we'd be hearing about it before now...


IMO, the tightening bolts on Elinchrom lights are clearly sufficient for most purposes and certainly handle professional use. How much overtightening and abuse beyond that is subject to risk like anything thing else.
Not everything I break is the manufacturers fault, especially when I want things to be so much smaller, lighter, faster and cheaper.

No manufacturer, ProFoto included, condones overtightening, even though there is always that potential. I know I don't get much sympathy from my rental friends when it comes to overtighening their grip equipment, and my assistants don't get any from me either.

Products are made with specific design parameters in mind. This does not make products inherently inferior. It may make them less appropriate than others for the task at hand.

Case in point, the Octa was originally designed to be used with pack heads, which are quite a bit lighter than monolights. Using the RX series monolights work very well with the Octa but the mount just isn't sufficient for the additional weight IMO. So, do I throw the baby out with the bath water? No way. I simply beefed up the mount with a grip head, just as Brent went to the 3500 series on his Westcott boxes.

Standard mout:


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D200 Grip Head replacement:


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Problem solved. I get to keep and enjoy my Octa, with no frustration.

Fewer lights are using all metal brackets like they use to. Personally, I don't see the problem with this for most uses. But even Westcott recognizes, by virtue of their 3500 series, that a more robust mount system than their own conventional mount MAY be required for bigger, heavier boxes especially with the added use of grids. I've used Westcott for years, mainly their 3500 2K boxes, they are nice but they are they are NOT what you call light. The Elinchrom boxes, on the other hand, are very light and work well with their lights. Even still you can see I have beefed up certain boxes where it is appropriate for certain applications. Should every light incorporate the use of a grip head or be made of metal like the old tanks of yesteryear? Surely not.

rudiphoto wrote:
You could always use the Skyport Universal receiver if you wanted to use the Ranger plugged into mains power in the studio (that is what I do, I hate sync cords ).


I'm not a fan of the double duty charging port either, but I also don't see any reason to keep a Ranger hooked up to AC while you're using it in the studio either.
First of all, the unit provides ample capacity for most use anyway.
The idea of dragging around cords defeats it's advantage over AC packs. If you didn't like tripping over PC cords why would it be any less of a nuisance to trip over an AC cord?
RX control is just TOO nice to forsake.
And last but not least, how tough is it to plug a back up battery to AC while using the Ranger untethered?

In addition to using packs and monolights, I find it very convienient to use the Ranger on a rolling stand in close to me so I won't have to deal with cords. I also made a platform so my gear could move with it.



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Different strokes for different folks.

Good luck.




Dec 03, 2008 at 09:34 PM
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p.2 #5 · Elinchrom Ranger RX AS Speed A-head & Bowens


It's been an interesting discussion since this thread was revived

I ended up getting the Ranger AS speed and very quickly added a 2nd head, the ring flash and started my Elinchrom monoblock collection with the 600RX

The battery of the ranger seems to last forever. I shot 500 shots (admittedly at the low power end of the range to get DOF) with sometimes 2 heads and much of the time the modelling light on and green light on the 50% was still lit. So the strange decision for the power and skyport to share the same plug is not such a worry to me.

I do wish that the put a dedicated modelling light button on the skyport because some times I think I have held the button down long enough, but it doesn't turn it on

Dec 03, 2008 at 10:29 PM
 



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Ben Horne wrote:
All I did was state that there is a design issue with the swivel mount. You told me that I'm the only one who has had a problem with the swivel mount, and belittled my remarks about there being an issue with the design. It may be your opinion that there is not an issue, but you did not have one fail because of this, and I do not think you have seen the actual mechanism.


You're still the only one in this thread who has had one break on them! I never belittled any of your remarks, all I said that IMO you got a lemon. Please show me where I belittled what you were saying. And just FYI, I have both the RX600 and the Ranger, and have seen the mechanism more than enough times!

Ben Horne wrote:
If you see how the assembly is made, you will see exactly what I am referring to. I only got ridiculous with my postings in response to your incessant claims that I must not know what I'm talking about regarding the design, and that my individual head is a lemon. If that is the case,they are all lemons, because they all have the same design.

But only you (so far) has had one break... So if it's not a lemon, did you overtighten it? Would you feel more comfortable with me asking you that question?


Dec 04, 2008 at 12:22 AM
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Carmen Miranda wrote:
IMO, the tightening bolts on Elinchrom lights are clearly sufficient for most purposes and certainly handle professional use. How much overtightening and abuse beyond that is subject to risk like anything thing else.


Agreed! And for the record, I still have no idea why Ben is getting so upset with my opinion that he likely had a lemon. It's not like it doesn't ever happen...

Carmen Miranda wrote:
Not everything I break is the manufacturers fault, especially when I want things to be so much smaller, lighter, faster and cheaper.


I'd like to say that I have no idea what you're talking about, but in all good conscience, I can't!


Dec 04, 2008 at 12:30 AM
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p.2 #8 · Elinchrom Ranger RX AS Speed A-head & Bowens


rudiphoto wrote:I still have no idea why Ben is getting so upset


Rudi (fellow kool aid drinker ),

In Ben's defense:

1. he was correct
2. he isn't crazy
3. stuff happens
4. he understands good stuff
5. he knows what he likes and what he doesn't

Personally, I can appreciate anybody who knows where things stand.

Ben, my apologizes for refering to you as Brent earlier.

Ciao



Dec 04, 2008 at 01:15 AM
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p.2 #9 · Elinchrom Ranger RX AS Speed A-head & Bowens


I agree with all that, Carmen. And I've seen (and feel that I know) Ben around here over the years. All the more confusing why he, of all people, took it so personally...

Dec 04, 2008 at 01:26 AM
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