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foto-z wrote:
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http://www.s.leica-camera.com/

More Info. It is an SLR afterall. How did they do it?

Not sure what you mean. This isn't vapourware.

It's very encouraging that Phase One is on board with Leica.

This is what Vaporware means by the way:

"Vaporware is a somewhat derogatory term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product. The term implies unwarranted optimism, an as yet unannounced abandonment of a project, or sometimes even deception; that is, it may imply that the announcer knows that product development is in too early a stage to support responsible statements about its completion date, feature set, or even feasibility. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware

Sep 22, 2008 at 11:09 PM

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p.4 #2 · New Leica S system 30x45mm

tied in with phase 1 not nikon, oops! nice big view finder too...

pro service starts in january, what about the camera?

Sep 22, 2008 at 11:10 PM

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Tariq Gibran wrote:
http://www.s.leica-camera.com/

More Info. It is an SLR afterall. How did they do it?

I love how they rushed the translation so much they called it "middle format" instead of medium format

Anyways, kudos to Leica for being innovative. Will cost an arm and a leg but should stir up the MFDB segment which has only been bleh for the last 3+ years.

Sep 22, 2008 at 11:22 PM

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p.4 #4 · New Leica S system 30x45mm

I have not heard any numbers yet regarding the viewfinder. What is the magnification? Is it 100% coverage? Leica themselves call it just "excellent". It just does not seem possible to provide a huge, high magnification, 100% coverage in that smallish body for a format larger than 35mm. Heck, just look at how big the viewfinder on the new Sony A900 is. So, what did they do, how did they do it and where are the specifics. If this camera will be shipping in January, just 4mo from now, they should be able to give us things like FPS, viewfinder specifics, etc. That's what does not quite make sense to me and why I doubt this camera will show up so soon. It just seems like Leica is being a little Vague on specifics.

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tied in with phase 1 not nikon, oops! nice big view finder too...

pro service starts in january, what about the camera?

Sep 22, 2008 at 11:30 PM

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p.4 #5 · New Leica S system 30x45mm

I think it is a brilliant move. Not only is this system a professional's dream come true, the other products will be able to piggyback on the interest this will generate. The M8-2, a much more capable camera than its detractors will have us believe and a niche product without competition, a future R10, which will be a more conventional high-end DSLR utilizing incomparable lenses. I think Leica has positioned itself right in the forefront of the photographic world, a place where it belongs historically speaking..

Sep 22, 2008 at 11:37 PM

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It's extremely ambitious and I hope they pull it off.

jaapv wrote:
I think it is a brilliant move. Not only is this system a professional's dream come true, the other products will be able to piggyback on the interest this will generate. The M8-2, a much more capable camera than its detractors will have us believe and a niche product without competition, a future R10, which will be a more conventional high-end DSLR utilizing incomparable lenses. I think Leica has positioned itself right in the forefront of the photographic world, a place where it belongs historically speaking..

Sep 22, 2008 at 11:39 PM

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p.4 #7 · New Leica S system 30x45mm

From the press release. Sounds like a dig at Hasselblad and Fuji deciding to correct in software for their lenses like the 28mm.

" The optic calculation incorporates all
the factors and requirements of digital technology, meaning that software to correct image
artifacts becomes superfluous. "

Robert

Sep 22, 2008 at 11:47 PM

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When will it be available? Has Leica said? If its soon, why have no specifications been released? It just seems odd. It almost seems like they are announcing the development of the system. Do you have any more info about the above

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I heard available next summer.

Sep 22, 2008 at 11:50 PM

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p.4 #9 · New Leica S system 30x45mm

If Nikon and or Canon are working on a similar system as some rumors suggest, the timing of the actual release from Leica will make or break this system. For instance, what happens if one of the big two, say Canon, releases something like this in February at PMA?

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When will it be available? Has Leica said? If its soon, why have no specifications been released? It just seems odd. It almost seems like they are announcing the development of the system. Do you have any more info about the above

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I heard available next summer.

Sep 23, 2008 at 12:10 AM

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If Nikon and or Canon are working on a similar system as some rumors suggest, the timing of the actual release from Leica will make or break this system. For instance, what happens if one of the big two, say Canon, releases something like this in February at PMA?

Well I know some people feel differently, but I wouldn't want a Canon until they learn how to make lenses, and I'm not to fond of their digital results either. They are a great 'bang for the buck' camera and robust, but I don't see them matching the Leica offering in terms of IQ.

I don't know why Canikon would bother chasing the small medium format market. They are making a killing in the 35mm DSLR segment.

Sep 23, 2008 at 12:27 AM

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I agree generally about the current Canon lenses. Nikon is a different story. Canon and actually some of the MF back makers view the 1Ds series as a serious threat to the lower end MF market. If nothing else, the next 1Ds version will have close to the MP count as the Leica S2. If its a 35mm FF, then, yes, I imagine ultimate IQ will be with the Leica. If Canon were to attempt to hang onto or even dig themselves deeper into the higher margin(which is why they would be interested) MF market, It would not be a huge undertaking for them to introduce a new format. They are already stuck even now with lenses which cannot handle their sensors. Why not introduce a larger format system since they must re-design lenses anyway and continue to eat away at the MF market. Heck, they may even believe they could own that market.

Don't tell Leica, but, of course, their revolutionary S2 idea failed when Mamiya attempted something very similar with the ZD. Leicas version is worlds better no doubt but this idea has been tried before. Leica's press release makes this introduction sound like the biggest thing since the introduction of 35mm film. That's Rich!

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If Nikon and or Canon are working on a similar system as some rumors suggest, the timing of the actual release from Leica will make or break this system. For instance, what happens if one of the big two, say Canon, releases something like this in February at PMA?

Well I know some people feel differently, but I wouldn't want a Canon until they learn how to make lenses, and I'm not to fond of their digital results either. They are a great 'bang for the buck' camera and robust, but I don't see them matching the Leica offering in terms of IQ.

I don't know why Canikon would bother chasing the small medium format market. They are making a killing in the 35mm DSLR segment.

Sep 23, 2008 at 12:47 AM

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p.4 #12 · New Leica S system 30x45mm

All this is well but I don't understand why Leica has spent all these resources for new lenses for M mount and new system but havent even bothered putting a full frame sensor in its M8.

Sep 23, 2008 at 12:52 AM

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The lens information on Leica's site states plainly that ALL S LENSES HAVE A BUILT-IN LEAF SHUTTER. That means that there isn't any need for an in-camera shutter at all. Couple that information with the size of the prism housing and I think it's pretty clear that this is very likely something like a scaled up Panasonic G1, i.e. it has an evf, and no mirror. Hence the remarkably small body. I am sure many will groan, but if the evf is sharp enough, real enough, and fast enough, and that's a big if, then I am all for it.

Sep 23, 2008 at 01:04 AM

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I love how they rushed the translation so much they called it "middle format" instead of medium format ...

Maybe they deliberately wanted to point out that the new format is in the middle, i.e., between 35mm and medium format?

Sep 23, 2008 at 01:07 AM

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p.4 #15 · New Leica S system 30x45mm

Dpreview = official announcement.

Sep 23, 2008 at 01:11 AM

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Maybe they deliberately wanted to point out that the new format is in the middle, i.e., between 35mm and medium format?

The German for 'medium format' is Mittelformat (literally middle format).

Sep 23, 2008 at 01:13 AM

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p.4 #17 · New Leica S system 30x45mm

so... how much is this?

Sep 23, 2008 at 01:37 AM

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I suspect they think that if the S2 concept is a success, the margins will be HUGE compared to what the M8 brings them.

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All this is well but I don't understand why Leica has spent all these resources for new lenses for M mount and new system but havent even bothered putting a full frame sensor in its M8.

Sep 23, 2008 at 02:00 AM

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The lens information on Leica's site states plainly that ALL S LENSES HAVE A BUILT-IN LEAF SHUTTER. That means that there isn't any need for an in-camera shutter at all. Couple that information with the size of the prism housing and I think it's pretty clear that this is very likely something like a scaled up Panasonic G1, i.e. it has an evf, and no mirror. Hence the remarkably small body. I am sure many will groan, but if the evf is sharp enough, real enough, and fast enough, and that's a big if, then I am all for it.

I thought that at first but if you click the link in this thread above for the Leica S2 info, it clearly states that this thing is an SLR with dual shutter system. Focal plane in body for fast lenses and built in leaf shutters for flash. I really don't think they have this completely sorted out yet because one place they do say all lenses will have a built in leaf shutter but in another place they state fast lenses will utilize the focal plane shutter. Then there is the issue of the body size and the required space for a huge mirror. Something just does not jive.

Sep 23, 2008 at 02:07 AM

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The lens information on Leica's site states plainly that ALL S LENSES HAVE A BUILT-IN LEAF SHUTTER.

can you show me where this is written?

Sep 23, 2008 at 02:15 AM

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The lens information on Leica's site states plainly that ALL S LENSES HAVE A BUILT-IN LEAF SHUTTER.

can you show me where this is written?

Click on "Leica S Lenses". The end of the paragraph.

Sep 23, 2008 at 02:29 AM

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The lens information on Leica's site states plainly that ALL S LENSES HAVE A BUILT-IN LEAF SHUTTER. That means that there isn't any need for an in-camera shutter at all. Couple that information with the size of the prism housing and I think it's pretty clear that this is very likely something like a scaled up Panasonic G1, i.e. it has an evf, and no mirror. Hence the remarkably small body. I am sure many will groan, but if the evf is sharp enough, real enough, and fast enough, and that's a big if, then I am all for it.

I thought that at first but if you click the link in this thread above for the Leica S2 info, it clearly states that this thing is an SLR with dual shutter system. Focal plane in body for fast lenses and built in leaf shutters for flash. I really don't think they have this completely sorted out yet because one place they do say all lenses will have a built in leaf shutter but in another place they state fast lenses will utilize the focal plane shutter. Then there is the issue of the body size and the required space for a huge mirror. Something just does not jive.

I'm getting the impression the translation is poor on that site. They don't have any lenses announced that couldn't have a leaf shutter (the 70mm f2.5 is the fastest they've shown and you can do an 80 f2 with a leaf shutter as Rollei has for the 6008i)

I'm suspecting that the camera uses the leaf shutter at lower speeds and a focal plane shutter at higher speeds to get both high shutter speeds and high flash sync.

Sep 23, 2008 at 02:39 AM

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Click on "Leica S Lenses". The end of the paragraph.

URL?
I've been through www.leica-camera.com and www.s.leica-camera.com and don't see anything

Sep 23, 2008 at 02:40 AM

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p.4 #24 · New Leica S system 30x45mm

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Click on "Leica S Lenses". The end of the paragraph.

URL?
I've been through www.leica-camera.com and www.s.leica-camera.com and don't see anything

On the S.leica-camera.com, click the Leica-S lenses on the right. The last sentence states

"All lenses have metal fittings, extensive waterproofing and an integrated central shutter for quick flash synchronization."

Sep 23, 2008 at 02:50 AM

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p.4 #25 · New Leica S system 30x45mm

I wonder if Leica will be building these Leaf shutters themselves since they don't have much of a history with leaf shutters. Perhaps whoever makes Rolleis shutters will supply them.

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The lens information on Leica's site states plainly that ALL S LENSES HAVE A BUILT-IN LEAF SHUTTER. That means that there isn't any need for an in-camera shutter at all. Couple that information with the size of the prism housing and I think it's pretty clear that this is very likely something like a scaled up Panasonic G1, i.e. it has an evf, and no mirror. Hence the remarkably small body. I am sure many will groan, but if the evf is sharp enough, real enough, and fast enough, and that's a big if, then I am all for it.

I thought that at first but if you click the link in this thread above for the Leica S2 info, it clearly states that this thing is an SLR with dual shutter system. Focal plane in body for fast lenses and built in leaf shutters for flash. I really don't think they have this completely sorted out yet because one place they do say all lenses will have a built in leaf shutter but in another place they state fast lenses will utilize the focal plane shutter. Then there is the issue of the body size and the required space for a huge mirror. Something just does not jive.

I'm getting the impression the translation is poor on that site. They don't have any lenses announced that couldn't have a leaf shutter (the 70mm f2.5 is the fastest they've shown and you can do an 80 f2 with a leaf shutter as Rollei has for the 6008i)

I'm suspecting that the camera uses the leaf shutter at lower speeds and a focal plane shutter at higher speeds to get both high shutter speeds and high flash sync.

Sep 23, 2008 at 02:55 AM


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