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Pell wrote:
I think gear whores will complain about anything no matter what it is, it's just part of the photography community I guess.

I think you can be a gear whore and still understand that all tools have limitations and sweet spots. I think the problem is the belief that "it's not my skill, it's the cameras fault".

Same with some of the emphasis on dynamic range. Like that HDR is a replacement for good light. Or that 2 more stops of DR will make photographs better.

Learning the basics of good photographs makes photographs better, Learning to see makes photographs better.

Sep 18, 2008 at 04:33 PM

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What a bizarre thread. The 5DII will compete more than adequately against the D700 and A900. That's all Canon needs it to do. More than that, and Canon starts competing against its own line. I have no doubt that in a year this forum will be filled with the same "dreamy about the 5DII" kinds of posts as we've seen for the 5D. The really funny thing is that I think I have seen more complaints about the original 5D in this and the "master Thread" than I have over the last 2+ years in this entire forum.
Didn't DPR suggest that the original 5D's use of a full frame sensor was "gimmicKy"?

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Sep 18, 2008 at 04:39 PM

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There is definately a degree of paranoia I know, but I'd like to be ASSURED, rather than keeping my fingers crossed, that if it starts raining during the formals, I'm not going to have a £2200 paperweight!

Just for the record I've taken a 30D (ie no environmental sealing at all) out for hours in the most torrential rain to photograph lightenings (the 70s jet version) at Bruntingthorpe, with no ill effect what-so-ever, and yes the 5DII will probably eat that kind of thing for breakfast, but the point is that IF a stray bit of water does get through to something vital, that's a lot of money down the drain, because I can't see Canon going "our bad, have another one"

Oh for Lord's sake just look at the preview before complaining about stuff that camera lacks...

http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canoneos5dmarkII/page5.asp

Sep 18, 2008 at 04:39 PM

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If it wasn't for a new Canon version of Distagon 21mm (and its full electronics
vs manual metering in Nikon version), I'd be gone by now.

This is all-to-common misinformation.

The ZFs actually do support auto aperture & wide open metering (and all corresponding shooting modes) as long as you have a D200 or greater.

Sep 18, 2008 at 04:39 PM

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Didn't the original 5D also receive a so-so welcome?
And after a year threads started about how good it was

Sep 18, 2008 at 05:10 PM

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milanissimo wrote:
Chris Beaumont wrote:
There is definately a degree of paranoia I know, but I'd like to be ASSURED, rather than keeping my fingers crossed, that if it starts raining during the formals, I'm not going to have a £2200 paperweight!

Just for the record I've taken a 30D (ie no environmental sealing at all) out for hours in the most torrential rain to photograph lightenings (the 70s jet version) at Bruntingthorpe, with no ill effect what-so-ever, and yes the 5DII will probably eat that kind of thing for breakfast, but the point is that IF a stray bit of water does get through to something vital, that's a lot of money down the drain, because I can't see Canon going "our bad, have another one"

Oh for Lord's sake just look at the preview before complaining about stuff that camera lacks...

http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canoneos5dmarkII/page5.asp

The gospel according to DPReview ?

Check the Canon websites, yes it has "environmental protection" - the same as 40D and 50D do, have you seen the 40D? It's got a few piddly little strips of rubber and foam in certain places, if it got wet going from the house to the car it'll survive, but I wouldn't trust my money, and my business, on it keeping going in sustained wet weather, and to do so when Canon openly states that it's not built for that purpose seems more than a little foolish.

Sep 18, 2008 at 10:27 PM

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Chris Beaumont wrote:
milanissimo wrote:
Chris Beaumont wrote:
There is definately a degree of paranoia I know, but I'd like to be ASSURED, rather than keeping my fingers crossed, that if it starts raining during the formals, I'm not going to have a £2200 paperweight!

Just for the record I've taken a 30D (ie no environmental sealing at all) out for hours in the most torrential rain to photograph lightenings (the 70s jet version) at Bruntingthorpe, with no ill effect what-so-ever, and yes the 5DII will probably eat that kind of thing for breakfast, but the point is that IF a stray bit of water does get through to something vital, that's a lot of money down the drain, because I can't see Canon going "our bad, have another one"

Oh for Lord's sake just look at the preview before complaining about stuff that camera lacks...

http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canoneos5dmarkII/page5.asp

The gospel according to DPReview ?

Check the Canon websites, yes it has "environmental protection" - the same as 40D and 50D do, have you seen the 40D? It's got a few piddly little strips of rubber and foam in certain places, if it got wet going from the house to the car it'll survive, but I wouldn't trust my money, and my business, on it keeping going in sustained wet weather, and to do so when Canon openly states that it's not built for that purpose seems more than a little foolish.

Yeah, did you look at it or you didn't bother to do that. Because if you didn't there is a huge picture of showing sealed buttons and compartments. Looks like you made your mind about the camera already (not that I'm surprised). Your bad.

Sep 19, 2008 at 05:40 AM

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Yes I agree - too much marketing input, not enough giving people what they want within Canon's available technology. It certainly is not the "future of photography", it's a marketing-delayed stop-gap, if such a thing can exist.

Sep 19, 2008 at 09:03 AM

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Sep 19, 2008 at 09:03 AM

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No the 20Dn aka as 30D copped a hiding as it offered bugger all over the 20D except a bigger screen and picture styles.

Didn't it add spot metering. For my back-lit portrait shooting spot metering is just the ticket.

Sep 19, 2008 at 09:19 AM

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Yes, 30D did add spot metering too, although it's not really "spot" - the area metered is only a tiny bit less than "centre-weighted"

Sep 19, 2008 at 09:38 AM

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To compare the 5D to 5DMKII upgrade to the 20D to 30D upgrade just makes little sense in my view. Let's look at the changes:

5D to 5DMKII:

ISO: it looks like probably close to a two stop improvement
Resolution: 13 megapixels to 21 megapixels
Weather sealing: a number of new seams with some protection added (see photo above) and those who claim that the 5D MkII is like the 40D must not have seen the new info yet
View finder: 96% to 98%
Autofocus: just tweaks including perhaps some sensitivity to color and light flickering
Metering: no change
Digic Processor: Digic II to Digic iV
Frames per second: 3 to 3.9
LCD: 2.5 inch poor resolution to 3.0 inch vga resolution
Added features: Live view, movie mode, dust shaker

Now 20D to 30D:

ISO: no change
Resolution: no change
Weather sealing: no change
View finder: no change
Autofocus: very little change perhaps better algorithms
Metering: added spot meter
Digic processor: no change
Frames per second: no change
LCD: 1.8 inch to 2.5 inch but the same resolution
Added features: picture styles

Looking at the list there is no comparison. The 5DMKII is clearly a much more substantial upgrade.

Sep 19, 2008 at 12:38 PM

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Most complained about model yet: Kate Moss

Sep 19, 2008 at 12:57 PM

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I hope all the talk causes an immediate reduction in the street price since I am interesting in picking up the new 5DII as a backup to my 1Ds3.

Sep 19, 2008 at 01:01 PM

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What? No integrated MP3 player, or wireless connectivity to You Tube?!!!!!? Are you kidding? I've been screaming on these boards since introduction of the last 5D about these much needed, nay, absolutely critical features. How am I expected to shoot the highest quality, most perfectly composed images without an integrated MP3 player??!!!?? Doesn't Canon listen? Don't they realize how much I want and need this? I've had enough, I can no longer stand by a company that refuses to listen to my needs, MY needs . . . but just in case you are listening Canon, when you do get around to adding MP3 playback, don't forget that I prefer to shoot tethered . . . to some speakers.

Sep 19, 2008 at 01:02 PM

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Most of the complaints seem to boil down to: "It's not a 1-series for a non-1-series price!" If you need a 1-series, buy it. If not, buy the 5DMKII.

Get out and take some photos with the camera you've got, people.

Sep 19, 2008 at 03:09 PM

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mostlyprudent wrote:
Most complained about model yet: Kate Moss

You beat me to it.

Sep 19, 2008 at 03:29 PM

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mabidally wrote:
A 21MP full frame , 4fps, for just US$2600 is amazing good news for prosumers aspiring to go FF.

Not for my wife it's not good news! Haha, she'll have to wait to get a few things. My want list has on it

FF camera
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big screen

Sep 22, 2008 at 12:23 PM


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