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Chris Beaumont wrote:
David,

You're right, it does take exceedingly good pictures (the ISO6400 I've just seen, despite being underexposed, is gorgeous) but so does the 5D MK 1! The game has moved along a lot in the last year, I think a lot of us are frustrated at not having a product competitive with what we know others can do, and Canon could do if they so desired.

Chris

Moved along how Chris?

It lacks proper weathersealing and a high FPS, but then it's not a sport camera, other than that it's pretty good spec I'd say, it has many of the new ISO features, memories for settings allsorts.

What does it really lack?

Sep 17, 2008 at 04:30 PM

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All the whiners that said Canon "must" match all the Nikon features in this upgrade are wishing for something that simply does NOT need to happen for Canon to sell boatloads of this camera.

Actually it's the other way around, Nikon MUST have the extra features in order to sell cameras because they cannot match the image quality of Canon's best DSLR's.

Both of these companies are keeping it the way it must be, at least for now,
there are no directly competing models.

George

Sep 17, 2008 at 04:31 PM

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georgefun99 wrote:
All the whiners that said Canon "must" match all the Nikon features in this upgrade are wishing for something that simply does NOT need to happen for Canon to sell boatloads of this camera.

Actually it's the other way around, Nikon MUST have the extra features in order to sell cameras because they cannot match the image quality of Canon's best DSLR's.

Both of these companies are keeping it the way it must be, at least for now,
there are no directly competing models.

George

Good post George

Sep 17, 2008 at 04:35 PM

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The 5Dmk2 is an excellent camera but I also was hoping for more of a D700 class competitor, i.e. a cut down 1Dmk3, an all-purpose do-it-all camera. I am sure Canon could produce it, they choose not to.

My ideal 5dmk2

12 to 16 megapixels ( sRaw mode 6-8)
5+ fps
pro-AF (or close to, at least on centre point)
faster shutter response and shorter blackout time
bigger RAW buffer
dual CF slots

For landscape, travel, studio work the 5dmk2 is an excellent product, and the low light capabilities are tremendous (see the ISO6400 sample).

Price is a bit high at the moment but I expect this will fall after initial shipments.

Sean

Sep 17, 2008 at 04:39 PM

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p.2 #5 · Most complained about model yet

"My ideal 5dmk2

12 to 16 megapixels ( sRaw mode 6-8)
5+ fps
pro-AF (or close to, at least on centre point)
faster shutter response and shorter blackout time
bigger RAW buffer
dual CF slots"

Sean,
You've just about described the 50D. That's about £1,100 you just saved

Sep 17, 2008 at 06:05 PM

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dhphoto wrote:
I can't personally see what *else* an updated *5D* was going to give, except what it did.

David, how does the center point AF of the 5D compare to that of the 1-series in one-shot mode? IIRC, you have expierence with both camera's. I'm asking because I'd like to get an idea how the center AF of the 5DII will compare to the center AF of my 1D classic (both one shot mode).

Sep 17, 2008 at 07:14 PM

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craigy wrote:
"My ideal 5dmk2

12 to 16 megapixels ( sRaw mode 6-8)
5+ fps
pro-AF (or close to, at least on centre point)
faster shutter response and shorter blackout time
bigger RAW buffer
dual CF slots"

Sean,
You've just about described the 50D. That's about £1,100 you just saved

Yes exactly, it's just not full frame.

I love the IQ from my (two) 5Ds, but I do wish for a more responsive FF body positioned in the line where the EOS-3 or 1V were. Some say the D700 is that camera, and if they can justify the switch to Nikon, then fine for them. My guess is we should all wait to see how the new camera feels and performs first.

I was disappointed with the IQ and AF of the 40D compared to the 5D the last time I considered going back to the small format. But perhaps the 50D is worth another look...

Sep 18, 2008 at 12:24 AM

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p.2 #8 · Most complained about model yet

we just have a bunch of divas on this board

Sep 18, 2008 at 12:30 AM

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p.2 #9 · Most complained about model yet

Tyra Banks...

Sep 18, 2008 at 01:05 AM

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p.2 #10 · Most complained about model yet

Chris Beaumont:
Canon deserve everything they get after all the "future of photography" hype.

I still do not really know what you wanted. Do you mean that you would have been happy to see a 12 MPixel 5D mkII? If you say that at the time of 30D you were "barely starting your photography journey", what are your current expectations as a photographer? Do you realize how much you would have been paying for a 21 Mpixel camera just a few months ago?

Sep 18, 2008 at 03:21 AM

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Will Patterson wrote:
Thanks for making a thread about it.
curious as to how many of your post are you posting in a thread you dont like just saying this thread is stupid, why did you make it blah blah.

I think if they would have addressed the AF system to something new that was between the 1D and 50D there would be ALOT less issue. They should have atleast made it 5fps as well.

Sep 18, 2008 at 03:38 AM

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p.2 #12 · Most complained about model yet

I'm actually very excited about this camera.

However, if canon bumps the price another $500 because of a "typo" this place is going to explode!

Sep 18, 2008 at 03:38 AM

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canon apparently targeted three types of photographers with this camera:

1. landscapers
2. studio photogs
3. enthusiasts who don't require a faster/better built body

...i would assume, because canon thought this would produce the most revenue -- and they're covering the photographing populous pretty well: for non-controlled-conditions professionals, you have the 1-series' with their build quality and features, for birders you have the 50D (and 1DIII) for reach and speed, and for budget enthusiasts you have the drebel series, with its bang for the buck 450D.

now, canon covers the three aforementioned groups (1.-3.) of photogs with the 5DMkII. canon isn't* in the business to palliate our every wish. they're there to offer just enough product to make us part with our hard-earned euros.

cheers =)

*one company, hence the singular

Sep 18, 2008 at 03:40 AM

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lexvo wrote:
dhphoto wrote:
I can't personally see what *else* an updated *5D* was going to give, except what it did.

David, how does the center point AF of the 5D compare to that of the 1-series in one-shot mode? IIRC, you have expierence with both camera's. I'm asking because I'd like to get an idea how the center AF of the 5DII will compare to the center AF of my 1D classic (both one shot mode).

It's absolutely fine. I use the centre AF for events (with focusing on the *) to ensure I'm focused on what I want and it's perfect.

You can have too many focusing points IMHO and with the 1-series I'm often using the centre one so whats the difference?

Too much is being made out of small things here

David

Sep 18, 2008 at 05:36 AM

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p.2 #15 · Most complained about model yet

Its the IQ stupid.....

Sep 18, 2008 at 05:57 AM

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p.2 #16 · Most complained about model yet

1D3, for sure. For lenses, how about the 50/1.2L?

Sep 18, 2008 at 06:01 AM

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The other day I was thinking "man, if they just made a 40D with pro AF, 10 fps, and a bigger buffer, I'd be happy"

I quickly realized I was describing a 1D on a diet.

I think that's what everyone wanted in the 5D II. A 1Ds on a diet.

Sep 18, 2008 at 06:12 AM

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mfurman wrote:
Chris Beaumont:
Canon deserve everything they get after all the "future of photography" hype.

I still do not really know what you wanted. Do you mean that you would have been happy to see a 12 MPixel 5D mkII? If you say that at the time of 30D you were "barely starting your photography journey", what are your current expectations as a photographer? Do you realize how much you would have been paying for a 21 Mpixel camera just a few months ago?

But how many of us will actually make full usage of that full 21 megapixels? For a start it's going to drastically increase the number of times we need to swap cards during a days shoot, it's going to put additional strain on computer processing power, and storage. Sure it might be nice to have and might save a few badly composed shots, but I just don't see megapixels as the be all and end all, not for what is essentially a semi pro/advanced amateur camera, Canon has gone "TADA! Look....big number, be impressed!" and a lot of us aren't.

To answer your question, yes, I would have been happy with it staying at 12.8 megapixels, combine that with native 6400, weather sealing (I can't stop working just because the rain comes down) and a beefed up AF and I, and I suspect 90% of the "whingers", would have been happy.

Sep 18, 2008 at 08:55 AM

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Chris Beaumont wrote:
... and I suspect 90% of the "whingers", would have been happy.

You're kidding.

The fact that people can complain in such vociferous tones about a camera that has been released for ONE DAY and has not even been held yet, let alone properly tested shows what a pointless mouthpiece the internet can be.

It very simple, if the camera doesn't suit you, then don't buy it. Canon clearly thought this was the way to go and they went, if it doesn't sell they will have been wrong, but it will sell, they all do.

As for 21 meg, it's just fantastic, and if you don't want it there's 10 meg sRAW, so perhaps Canon did consider your needs after all.

David

Sep 18, 2008 at 08:58 AM

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David,

I know people are getting over emotional about a new camera, hell my girlfriend laughed at me yesterday because of how disappointed I am, but that's the word, disappointed, not angry, just disappointed at how much of a financial kicking I'm going to have to take in order to get a small body with weather sealing and an AF point or two that works in low light that isn't dead smack in the centre.

I'm not one to storm around saying "well f*@k Canon, I'm going to NIKON" in a fit of hystrionics, I fully appreciate that there are obviously tens of thousands of people who use their camera in less extremes of weather than I do that LOVE this upgrade, and will make full use of it, it's just incredibly frustrating that Canon are holding a hand over their eyes and going "la la la la la la la....can't see you" about the D700.

Sep 18, 2008 at 09:10 AM

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p.2 #21 · Most complained about model yet

Well, you could try it before you dismiss it.

David

Sep 18, 2008 at 09:13 AM

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I will be renting one before selling all my lenses, and I'm sure it'll be a superb camera and take great photos, it's just the little details like being paranoid about how large the repair bill is going to be if I get some drizzel on it, it's not like we live in the perfect climate or anything

Sep 18, 2008 at 09:23 AM

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Chris Beaumont wrote:
mfurman wrote:
Chris Beaumont:
Canon deserve everything they get after all the "future of photography" hype.

To answer your question, yes, I would have been happy with it staying at 12.8 megapixels, combine that with native 6400, weather sealing (I can't stop working just because the rain comes down) and a beefed up AF and I, and I suspect 90% of the "whingers", would have been happy.

Actually, if Canon had put in the 1series AF and weather sealing and all the other feature BUT left it at 12MP people would have been screaming that they no longer had any advantage over Nikon, that the Sony had 24MP, blah, blah, blah...

Sep 18, 2008 at 09:26 AM

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Chris Beaumont wrote:
I will be renting one before selling all my lenses, and I'm sure it'll be a superb camera and take great photos, it's just the little details like being paranoid about how large the repair bill is going to be if I get some drizzel on it, it's not like we live in the perfect climate or anything

There is a degree of paranoia there Chris

I have used all of the three 5D's I've owned in allsorts of weather and never had a problem, the new one has better seals than that.

WADR you are making issues more important than they may really be here, as are many others. The grass is always greener over at Nikon, but for one, I still wouldn't change

David

Sep 18, 2008 at 09:27 AM

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it's just the little details like being paranoid about how large the repair bill is going to be if I get some drizzel on it.

Really there is a lot of EOSfun in all these complaints

I find your expression of paranoia feelings a great example. I am sure a lot of lurkers (and posters) here feel like listening to some beautiful melodramatic concert of Grieg (just to mention one). Keep the whining and nagging coming. We like the sound of 'Ase's Tod', even though we have a funky jazzy tune in our own heads

The 5DII as an inspiration for com-plainers ... ..posers.

Sep 18, 2008 at 09:30 AM


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