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p.17 #1 · EF 24mm f/1.4L II master thread

markymarc wrote:
How many folks are also interested in the 24LII because of its even shorter minimal focus distance? The MFD should open up new creativity.

Yes, but that's a double edged sword.

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/607298

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Dec 14, 2008 at 10:33 AM

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p.17 #2 · EF 24mm f/1.4L II master thread

Yakim Peled wrote:
markymarc wrote:
How many folks are also interested in the 24LII because of its even shorter minimal focus distance? The MFD should open up new creativity.

Yes, but that's a double edged sword.

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/607298

Happy shooting,
Yakim.

It's the same MFD on the old and new lens. there have been about 20 posts about it but you are still saying different

And I don't see what the link has to do with this new 24mkII lens

Dec 14, 2008 at 11:00 AM

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p.17 #3 · EF 24mm f/1.4L II master thread

Lars Johnsson wrote:
Yakim Peled wrote:
markymarc wrote:
How many folks are also interested in the 24LII because of its even shorter minimal focus distance? The MFD should open up new creativity.

Yes, but that's a double edged sword.

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/607298

Happy shooting,
Yakim.

It's the same MFD on the old and new lens. there have been about 20 posts about it but you are still saying different

And I don't see what the link has to do with this new 24mkII lens

All I'm saying is that using an aperture of f/1.4 at MFD (whichever the lens, whichever the MFD) may lead the user to many missed shots due to incredibly narrow DoF. Am I better understood now?

Happy shooting,
Yakim.

Dec 14, 2008 at 11:50 AM

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p.17 #4 · EF 24mm f/1.4L II master thread

brainiac wrote:

Hubsand has generously shown his crops. If you want to claim his lens was anomalous, then show us.

diglloyd also found the 14-24 much better than the 14II.

Dec 14, 2008 at 04:24 PM

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p.17 #5 · EF 24mm f/1.4L II master thread

As far as the 24LII, soon there will be a nice choice between that lens and the ZE21. If someone is primarily interested in "corners" the choice would seem to be the 21. If one is interested in wandering around at night and playing with DOF during the day it seems the 24L is the clear choice.

Dec 14, 2008 at 04:28 PM

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p.17 #6 · EF 24mm f/1.4L II master thread

I snapped a few pictures wide open and close up (about 12") just to get an idea about near focus depth of field. It nicely sharp, no question. While not a primary concern for me in something that wide, to me the bokeh is rather unpleasing. I'm not sure why I don't like it - the highlights are smooth and rounded so this is totally subjective, but here's a couple of examples (and 100% crops are at http://www.pbase.com/rcicala/24_f14canon_comparison . The first one I find very pleasing, the second with more out of focus contrast I really don't care for. Then again, this isn't a focal length I'd use for this kind of shot, so for me it probably has no real world impact.

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Dec 14, 2008 at 04:40 PM

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p.17 #7 · EF 24mm f/1.4L II master thread

The version 1 has horrible bokeh most of the time, as does this lens and every other fast wide angle SLR lens ever made. No shocker there.

Dec 14, 2008 at 08:00 PM

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p.17 #8 · EF 24mm f/1.4L II master thread

Yakim Peled wrote:
Kim Bentsen wrote:
Also for night shots with movement, f/1.4 would be handy. IS is worthless if anything moves as you know.

Not at all. You can actually take advantage of it and get creative.

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/679313/2#6092326

Yakim, my clients would only put up with a handful of shots like that. The rest would have to be sharp.

Dec 14, 2008 at 09:54 PM

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p.17 #9 · EF 24mm f/1.4L II master thread

RCicala wrote:
................. but here's a couple of examples (and 100% crops are at http://www.pbase.com/rcicala/24_f14canon_comparison . ...........

I don't know about bokeh, but on the 'land' shots the CA is certainly better on the Mark II.

edit : as far as the berries, the oof would be fine with a polarizer in a 'real' shot.

Dec 14, 2008 at 10:44 PM

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p.17 #10 · EF 24mm f/1.4L II master thread

I am guessing the ZE 21 will also have better resolution compared to the 24L II and 14-24, which will make this lens a great landscape lens for the 5D II.

dcmiller wrote:
As far as the 24LII, soon there will be a nice choice between that lens and the ZE21. If someone is primarily interested in "corners" the choice would seem to be the 21. If one is interested in wandering around at night and playing with DOF during the day it seems the 24L is the clear choice.

Dec 15, 2008 at 07:02 AM

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p.17 #11 · EF 24mm f/1.4L II master thread

brainiac wrote:
Yakim Peled wrote:
Kim Bentsen wrote:
Also for night shots with movement, f/1.4 would be handy. IS is worthless if anything moves as you know.

Not at all. You can actually take advantage of it and get creative.

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/679313/2#6092326

Yakim, my clients would only put up with a handful of shots like that. The rest would have to be sharp.

I was talking in the general sense.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.

Dec 15, 2008 at 12:07 PM

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p.17 #12 · EF 24mm f/1.4L II master thread

Yakim Peled wrote:
brainiac wrote:
Yakim Peled wrote:
Kim Bentsen wrote:
Also for night shots with movement, f/1.4 would be handy. IS is worthless if anything moves as you know.

Not at all. You can actually take advantage of it and get creative.

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/679313/2#6092326

Yakim, my clients would only put up with a handful of shots like that. The rest would have to be sharp.

I was talking in the general sense.

OK - but in the general sense, if you shoot people, IS is indeed worthless, whereas f1.4 opens up a whole new world over f2.8.

Dec 15, 2008 at 12:58 PM

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p.17 #13 · EF 24mm f/1.4L II master thread

brainiac wrote:
Yakim Peled wrote:
brainiac wrote:
Yakim Peled wrote:
Kim Bentsen wrote:
Also for night shots with movement, f/1.4 would be handy. IS is worthless if anything moves as you know.

Not at all. You can actually take advantage of it and get creative.

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/679313/2#6092326

Yakim, my clients would only put up with a handful of shots like that. The rest would have to be sharp.

I was talking in the general sense.

OK - but in the general sense, if you shoot people, IS is indeed worthless, whereas f1.4 opens up a whole new world over f2.8.

Worthless? I respectfully disagree. I have two 2.8 IS zooms and two 1.4 primes and when I shoot people I mostly opt for the zooms.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.

Dec 15, 2008 at 01:07 PM

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p.17 #14 · EF 24mm f/1.4L II master thread

Does anyone know if the 24 II requires a front filter to complete the weather-sealing (a la the 16-35, 70-200, etc) ?

Dec 16, 2008 at 01:38 AM

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p.17 #15 · EF 24mm f/1.4L II master thread

segal3 wrote:
Does anyone know if the 24 II requires a front filter to complete the weather-sealing (a la the 16-35, 70-200, etc) ?

Probably not. BTW, the front element on all of the 70-200 zooms is sealed and it doesn't move.
So the ones that Canon recommends the sealing filter for are: 17-40, 16-35, 50 f/1.2. Obviously, the 10-22 would benefit from it as well.

Dec 16, 2008 at 02:58 AM

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p.17 #16 · EF 24mm f/1.4L II master thread

Right, but the rest of the 10-22 isn't weather sealed... I wasn't aware that the 50 needed a filter for sealing, though.

If the front element on the new 24 is just like the old, then I would guess that it would be weather sealed just like the new 14, for example.

/David

Dec 16, 2008 at 02:07 PM

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p.17 #17 · EF 24mm f/1.4L II master thread

It is surprisingly quiet about this lens on the net. Only a very limited number of people have managed to get a copy. I wonder how long we will have to wait. I have ordered mine locally in Denmark on November 13th because I wanted local warranty and VAT exemption. But it might drag on to 2009 with deliveries :-(

In Japan, it seem that it will go on sale on the 19th.

http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fdc.watch.impress.co.jp%2Fcda%2Flens%2F2008%2F12%2F12%2F9834.html&lp=ja_en&btnTrUrl=Translate

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Dec 16, 2008 at 07:55 PM

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p.17 #18 · EF 24mm f/1.4L II master thread

Mine made it over to Sweden today (via personal courier - it was purchased in the US), along with a 5DII. I will probably wander around Copenhagen with it this weekend.

I have only had time to snap a few boring test shots. I will try to post some samples as soon as I have something worth evaluating. So far I have not found anything to dislike about it.

/Woody

Dec 16, 2008 at 08:36 PM

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p.17 #19 · EF 24mm f/1.4L II master thread

The Digital Picture's ISO 12233 crops of the 1.4L II are now posted...

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=480

Dec 16, 2008 at 08:45 PM

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p.17 #20 · EF 24mm f/1.4L II master thread

hm, the Mark I looks a hair sharper at all settings according to those crops. what the heck

Dec 16, 2008 at 09:12 PM

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p.17 #21 · EF 24mm f/1.4L II master thread

haywoody wrote:
I will probably wander around Copenhagen with it this weekend.

/Woody

That is mean!

Dec 16, 2008 at 09:34 PM

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p.17 #22 · EF 24mm f/1.4L II master thread

fourfa wrote:
hm, the Mark I looks a hair sharper at all settings according to those crops. what the heck

I will have to agree with you on the MkI's apparent sharpness, but it is also has far more CA than the MkII. Depending on your priority (CA over Sharpness), it's kind of a coin flip at this point. I'm not entirely convinced one is better than the other. Of course, based on the lower price, I would have to consider the MkI over the MkII. For now, I'm willing to wait till further testing comes out to make a more informed decision.

Dec 16, 2008 at 09:55 PM

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p.17 #23 · EF 24mm f/1.4L II master thread

I wish that I had the 24LII last night.
I shot an employee Xmas party in an nice, old, dimly-lit mansion using my new 5D2...an 85L, and the Nikkor 14-24G. The 85L rocked as usual for individuals and couples when I had the room, but the 14-24G was on the 5D2 90% of the time (iso 6400), in an attempt to capture small and large groups of people and the beautiful interior details.
After shooting that setup all night, and after reviewing the images today...my conclusion is that the 14-24G (adapted to a Canon body) is best for situations like landscapes and architecture where one can methodically and carefully adjust everything on a tripod.
For conditions like last night - it was too slow, and the aperture/focal length settings are too easy to move inadvertently when the action gets fast and furious.
Not to mention that manually focusing everything was tedious for me and my victims :-) (Again - This on a CANON body).
Obviously, I should have had a 24L or 35L. I have owned them both in the past and liked them. With the 5D2, I am waiting for reports and reviews of how the 24LII (and hopefully soon a 35LII) function, especially on a 5D2, as there were reports that some 1DsIII owners were having issues with the 35L on those bodies, which could also be the case with the 5D2 bodies.
So in conclusion, (and I realize that I am stating the obvious) at the 24mm focal length, the Nikkor 14-24G is one of the highest resolving and sharpest superwide lenses across the frame available to Canon shooters, and it's ability to shoot sharply at other focal lengths make it extremely versatile....but it does have it's limitations on a Canon body like: needing an adapter, manual focus, no aperture adjustment in camera, little EXIF information in post, and filters require a bulky adapter.
For low-light, quick moving, hand-held situations like last night...the 24LII is looking like a top contender for me. I'm also curious about any new Zeiss offerings and maybe Canon will introduce a 35LII soon...
Cheers,
Scott

Dec 16, 2008 at 10:09 PM

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p.17 #24 · EF 24mm f/1.4L II master thread

fourfa wrote:
hm, the Mark I looks a hair sharper at all settings according to those crops. what the heck

Sounds very unlikely, doesn't it? Tthis is the softest ISO crop I have seen from any L prime at F8, or any canon prime at all at that aperture. I don't trust this test.

Dec 16, 2008 at 10:14 PM

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p.17 #25 · EF 24mm f/1.4L II master thread

davidrwilliams wrote:
The Digital Picture's ISO 12233 crops of the 1.4L II are now posted...

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=480

That's a real hoot.....the MkI looks sharper/more contrasty even at peripheral ISO sample #3, both wide open and at f/8.

As I kept saying, it's hard to improve on perfection

Dec 16, 2008 at 10:17 PM


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