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p.3 #1 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread

According to DPReview al 9 AF point are now cross type, in other words the camera has now been updated to the focusing system of the - 40D.

Anyone see anything about any weather sealing at all? Even to 40D standards?

Sep 17, 2008 at 05:46 AM

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p.3 #2 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread

jamato8 wrote:
Daan B wrote:
Does it have the Micro Adjustment feature?

I read that it does, which is great.

Where, I couldn't find it in the specifications listing on the Canon website?

Sep 17, 2008 at 05:46 AM

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p.3 #3 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread

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ajkessler wrote:
The non-gapless sensor would be a joke, unless they're just using the same sensor as the 1ds3 as I suspected earlier...

If it's indeed a new sensor, and not just a firmware update, wouldn't 1ds3 users be clamoring for a sensor swap?

if after three years we waited and the only thing upgraded is the sensor and even that is reused from over a year ago... wow they still dont get it.
at leat they could've not held back on the sensor from us.
i hope that is just some mistake.

From image-resource preview

As compared to the image sensor from the original Canon 5D, the pixel pitch in the 5D Mark II's imager has dropped from 8.2µm to 6.4µm - the same as that of the 1Ds Mark III's chip, and the hardware architecture is also identical to that of the pro camera. However, the Canon 5D II's chip sports new RGB color filters with an improved transmission rate. A couple of improvements from the Canon 50D's image sensor also make their way into the 5D Mark II's imager - an improvement in the per-pixel light sensitive area, and gapless microlenses. There's also been an improvement to the output amplifier, and Canon tells us that there are other unspecified improvements to the way the image is developed on-chip. These changes are all said to come together to mean a cleaner signal that requires less amplification.

Sep 17, 2008 at 05:47 AM

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p.3 #4 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread

Re the focus, the dpreview feature summary has:

• 9-point TTL CMOS sensor
• 6 "Invisible Assist AF points"
• All points cross-type for lenses of F5.6 or faster
• Center point additionally sensitive with lenses of F2.8 or faster
• AF working range: -0.5 - 18 EV (at 23°C, ISO 100)

(See http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08091705canon_5dmarkII.asp)

Can someone confirm whether the old 5D had cross-type for all points? I thought that the old 5D only had cross-type for the center AF.

Sep 17, 2008 at 05:47 AM

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p.3 #5 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread

Sunny Sra wrote:
for us landscape shoots...this is less than HALF the price of the flagship and what it will be stellar camera.

weather sealing..use a ziplock bag around it.

I've tried... Moisture gets inside easily...
AF and no weatherproofing is a huge disappointment.
But I'll buy it anyway like everybody else. And Canon knows that...

Sep 17, 2008 at 05:48 AM

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Daan B wrote:
jamato8 wrote:
Daan B wrote:
Does it have the Micro Adjustment feature?

I read that it does, which is great.

Where, I couldn't find it in the specifications listing on the Canon website?

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08091705canon_5dmarkII.asp

It's in there and in Canon's press release about the camera, which I don't have a link to ATM.

Sep 17, 2008 at 05:49 AM

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p.3 #7 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread

for those of us who do fine art photography/printing for exhibitions, this is going to prove a great camera.

medium format MPs, and FF IQ in a body that will be $2400 on the street in 12 months' time.

still, i would be content with a 5D, exactly as it is today, but with dust-reduction and a 920k screen. (again, i'm an enthusiast who does fine art photography. shooting nudes is much less demanding of my AF than hummingbirds.)

Sep 17, 2008 at 05:49 AM

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p.3 #8 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread

From the canon site. Too bad it won't accept ef's lenses.

Specifications

Type
Type
Digital, single-lens reflex, AF/AE camera with built-in flash
Recording Media
CF Card Type I and II, UDMA-compliant CF cards, via external media (USB v.2.0 hard drive, via optional Wireless File Transmitter WFT-E4A)
Image Sensor Size
36.0mm x 24.0mm (35mm Fll-frame)
Compatible Lenses
Canon EF lenses
(35mm-equivalent focal length is approx. 1.6x the lens focal length)
Lens Mount
Canon EF mount

Image Sensor
Type
High-sensitivity, high-resolution, large single-plate CMOS sensor
Pixels
Effective pixels: Approx. 21.1 megapixels
Total Pixels
Total pixels: Approx. 22.0 megapixels
Aspect Ratio
3:2 (Horizontal: Vertical)
Color Filter System
RGB primary color filters
Low-pass Filter
Fixed position in front of the CMOS sensor
Dust Deletion feature
(1) Automatic sensor cleaning
(2) Manual cleaning of sensor
(3) Dust Delete Data appended to the captured image

Recording System
Recording Format
Design rule for Camera File System 2.0
Image Type
Still: JPEG, RAW (14-bit, Canon original), sRAW1, sRAW2, RAW+JPEG
Video: MOV
File Size
(1) Large/Fine: Approx. 6.1MB (5616 x 3744 pixels)
(2) Large/Nomal: Approx. 3.0MB (5616 x 3744 pixels)
(3) Medium/Fine: Approx. 3.6MB (4080 x 2720 pixels)
(4) Medium/Normal: Approx. 1.9MB (4080 x 2720 pixels)
(5) Small/Fine: Approx. 2.1MB (2784 x 1856 pixels)
(6) Small/Normal: Approx. 1.0MB (2784 x 1856 pixels)
(7) RAW: Approx. 25.8MB (5616 x 3744 pixels)
(8) sRAW 1: Approx. 14.8MB (3861 x 2574 pixels)
(9) sRAW 2: Approx. 10.8MB (2784 x 1856 pixels)
Exact file sizes depend on the subject, ISO speed, Picture Style, etc.
Recording Functions
With the WFT-E4A attached, image recording to the CF card and to the USB external media connected to the WFT-E4A will be possible as follows:
(1) Standard
(2) Automatic switching of recording media
(3) Separate recordings according to image-recording quality
(4) Recording images having the same size
Backup Recording
Enabled with WFT-E4A attached
File Numbering
Consecutive numbering, auto reset, manual reset.
Possible to create new folders and select folders in the CF card
RAW + JPEG Simultaneous Recording
Provided (RAW/sRAW+JPEG also possible)
Color Space
sRGB, Adobe RGB
Picture Style
Standard, Portrait, Landscape, Neutral, Faithful, Monochrome, User Def. 1-3

Image Processing
Type
Auto, Daylight, Shade, Cloudy, Tungsten Light, White Fluorescent Light, Flash, Custom, Color Temperature setting
Auto White Balance
Auto white balance with the image sensor
Color Temperature Compensation
White balance correction: ±9 stops in full-stop increments
White balance bracketing: ±3 stops in full-stop increments
Blue/amber direction or magenta/green direction possible
Color Temperature Information Transmission
Provided

Viewfinder
Type
Eye-level pentaprism
Coverage
Vertical/Horizontal approx. 98%
Magnification
Approx. 0.71x (-1m-1 with 50mm lens at infinity)
Eyepoint
Approx. 21mm (from eyepiece lens center)
Built-in Dioptric Adjustment
-3.0 to +1.0m-1 (diopter)
Focusing Screen
Interchangeable (Eg-D: Grid lines, Eg-S [point of Focus], Eg-A standard focusing screen provided
Mirror
Quick-return half mirror (transmission: reflection ratio of 40:60, no mirror cutoff with EF600mm f/4L IS USM or shorter lenses)
Viewfinder Information
AF information (AF points, focus confirmation light), Exposure information (shutter speed, aperture, ISO speed, AE lock, exposure level, spot metering circle), Flash information (flash ready, flash exposure compensation, High-speed sync, FE lock), Image information (Highlight tone priority, monochrome shooting, maximum burst, white balance correction, CF card information), battery information
Depth-of-Field Preview
Enabled with depth-of-field preview button

Autofocus
Type
TTL-CT-SIR AF-dedicated CMOS sensor
AF Points
9 (Cross-type)
Metering Range
EV -0.5-18 (at 73°F/23°C, ISO 100)
Focusing Modes
Auto, One-Shot AF, Predictive AI Servo AF, AI Focus AF, Manual focusing (MF)
AF Point Selection
Automatic selection, manual selection
Selected AF Point Display
Superimposed in viewfinder and indicated on LCD panel
AF-assist Beam
When an external EOS-dedicated Speedlite is attached to the camera, the AF-assist beam from the Speedlite will be emitted when necessary.

Exposure Control
Metering Modes
35-zone TTL full-aperture metering
Evaluative metering (linkable to any AF point)
Partial metering (approx. 8% of viewfinder at center)
Spot metering (approx. 3.5% of viewfinder at center)
Center-weighted average metering

Metering Range
EV 1-20 (at 73°F/23°C with EF50mm f/1.4 USM lens, ISO 100)
Exposure Control
Program AE (Shiftable), Shutter-priority AE, Aperture-priority AE, Creative Auto, Full auto, Manual exposure, E-TTL II autoflash program AE
ISO Speed (Recommended Exposure Index)
Automatically set, ISO 100-6400 (in 1/3-stop or 1-stop increments)
Basic Zone modes: ISO 100-3200 set automatically
Extension settable (with C.Fn.I-3-1): ISO 50 (L), 12800 (H1), 25600 (H2)
High Tone Priority settable: ISO 200-1600
Exposure Compensation
Manual: ±2 stops in 1/3- or 1/2-stop increments (can be combined with AEB)
AE Lock
Auto: Applied in One-Shot AF mode with evaluative metering when focus is achieved
Manual: By AE lock button

Shutter
Type
Vertical-travel, mechanical, Electronically-controlled, focal-plane shutter
Shutter Speeds
1/8000 to 1/60 sec., X-sync at 1/200 sec.
1/8000 to 30 sec., bulb (Total shutter speed range. Available range varies by shooting mode)
Shutter Release
Soft-touch electromagnetic release
Self-timer
10-sec. or 2-sec. delay
Remote Control
Remote control with N3-type terminal

External Speedlite
Zooming to Match Focal Length
Provided
Compatible Flash
EX-series Speedlites
Flash Metering
E-TTL II autoflash
Flash Exposure Compensation
±2 stops in 1/3- or 1/2-stop increments
FE Lock
Provided
External Flash Settings
Flash function settings, Flash C.Fn settings

Drive System
Drive Modes
Single, High-speed continuous, Low-speed continuous, and Self-timer (10-sec. or 2-sec. delay)
Continuous Shooting Speed
Max. 3.9 shots/sec.
Maximum Burst
JPEG (Large/Fine): approx. 78 (CF)/approx. 310 (UDMA CF)
RAW: approx. 13/approx. 14 (UDMA CF)
RAW+JPEG (Large/Fine): approx. 8 (CF/UDMA CF)
Based on Canon's testing standards with a 2GB CF card, high-speed continuous shooting, ISO 100 and Standard Picture Style
Varies depending on the subject, CF card brand, image-recording quality, ISO speed, drive mode, Picture Style, etc.

Live View Functions
Shooting Modes
Still photo shooting and video shooting
Focusing
Quick mode (Phase-difference detection)
Live mode/Face Detection Live mode (Contrast detection)
Manual focusing (5x/10x magnification possible)
Metering Modes
Evaluative metering with the image sensor (still photos)
Center-weighted average metering (video)
Metering Range
EV 0-20 (at 73°F/23°C with EF 50mm f/1.4 USM lens, ISO 100)
Grid Display
Provided (Two-type grid displays)
Exposure Simulation
Provided
Silent Shooting
Provided (Mode 1 and 2)

LCD Monitor
Type
TFT color, liquid-crystal monitor
Monitor Size
3.0 in.
Dots
Approx. 920,000 (VGA)
Coverage
Approx. 100% (viewing angle: approx. 170°)
Brightness Adjustment
Auto, 7 levels provided
Interface Languages
25 (English, German, French, Dutch, Danish, Portuguese, Finnish, Italian, Norwegian, Swedish, Spanish, Greek, Russian, Polish, Czech, Hungarian, 15/15 Romanian, Ukraine, Turkish, Arabic, Thai, Simplified/Traditional Chinese, Korean, Japanese)

Image Playback
Display Format
Single image, Single image + Image-recording quality/shooting information, histogram, 4- or 9-image index, magnified view (approx. 1.5x-10x), rotated image (auto/manual), image jump (by 10/100 images, index screen, by shooting date, by folder), slide show (all images/selected by date/folder)
Highlight Warning
Provided (Overexposed highlights blink)

Image Protection and Erase
Protect
Single images can be erase-protected or not
Erase
Single image, check-marked images or all images in the CF card can be erased (except protected images)

Direct Printing
Compatible Printers
PictBridge-compatible printers
Printable Images
JPEG images compliant to Design rule for Camera File System (DPOF printing possible) and RAW/sRAW images captured with the EOS 5D Mark II
Easy Print feature
Provided

DPOF: Digital Print Order Format
DPOF
Version 1.1 compatible

Direct Image Transfer
Compatible Images
JPEG and RAW images
Only JPEG images can be transferred as wallpaper on the personal computer screen

Customization
Custom Functions
Total 25
Camera User Settings
Register under Mode Dial's C1 and C3 positions
My Menu Registration
Provided

Interface
USB Terminal
For personal computer communication and direct printing (USB 2.0 Hi-Speed)
Video Out Terminal
(1) Video OUT terminal: NTSC/PAL selectable
(2) HDMI mini OUT terminal
Extension System Terminal
For connection to WFT-E4A

Power Source
Battery
One Battery Pack LP-E6
AC power can be supplied via AC Adapter Kit ACK-E6 with Battery Grip BG-E6 attached.
Battery Check
Auto
Power Saving
Provided. Power turns off after 1, 2, 4, 8, 15 or 30 min.
Date/Time Battery
One CR1616 lithium-ion battery
Start-up Time
Approx. 0.1 sec.

Dimensions and Weight
Dimensions (WxHxD)
Approx. 6.0 x 4.5 x 3.0 in./152.0 x 113.5 x 75.0mm
Weight
Approx. 28.6 oz./810g (body only)

Operating Environment
Working Temperature Range
32-104°F/0-40°C
Working Humidity Range
85% or less

Note: All the specifications above are based on Canon's testing standards.
The camera's specifications and exterior are subject to change without notice.

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Sep 17, 2008 at 05:49 AM

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p.3 #9 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread

DSL67 wrote:
skibum5 wrote:
ajkessler wrote:
The non-gapless sensor would be a joke, unless they're just using the same sensor as the 1ds3 as I suspected earlier...

If it's indeed a new sensor, and not just a firmware update, wouldn't 1ds3 users be clamoring for a sensor swap?

if after three years we waited and the only thing upgraded is the sensor and even that is reused from over a year ago... wow they still dont get it.
at leat they could've not held back on the sensor from us.
i hope that is just some mistake.

How is putting the sensor from an $8000 camera into the body of a $2700 camera holding back from us?

Because time marches on, and gapless technology now exists. Digic4 and all the software tweaks in the world can't imporve the S/N ratio & dynamic range of a smaller, round photosite. Of course we are just speculating at this point, but Canon could be "pulling a Nikon" here:
Increase ISO performance not from a better sensor, but from more powerful software. -And that means a trade-off in sharpness.

Well, we just don't know yet. The 14-bit raw files may help with shadow detail, so that could offset some high ISO sharpness loss. Also, according to the RG article:

"To achieve what Canon is saying will be the highest image quality and lowest noise ever to emerge from a Canon EOS digital SLR, they introduced several refinements: the array of red, green and blue coloured filters over the sensor have been made more transmissive, which effectively bumps up the sensor's light sensitivity, plus they tweaked the way the sensor's signal (the light it has gathered during the exposure) is amplified and then read out."

But Canon can clam whatever they want. Let's wait for some testing! (fingers crossed, but I'm not jumping up & down with excitement.)

Sep 17, 2008 at 05:50 AM

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snowboarder wrote:
Sunny Sra wrote:
for us landscape shoots...this is less than HALF the price of the flagship and what it will be stellar camera.

weather sealing..use a ziplock bag around it.

I've tried... Moisture gets inside easily...
AF and no weatherproofing is a huge disappointment.
But I'll buy it anyway like everybody else. And Canon knows that...

i used to have the D60, shot with it in some very humid conditions, snow, rain etc...never a problem. it's also probably 1/2 the weither of teh 1dsIII ...i think it'll be just fine in weather shooting...

Sep 17, 2008 at 05:51 AM

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p.3 #11 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread

List price UK 2300. Ouch.

I'm not an expert in this area, but canon's recent model releases do seem a little underwhelming. The 1000D (forgotten about since everyone was expecting a 5D II) actually appears to be a downgrade relative to the 400D it replaced, and the 5D II here is missing features like weather sealing, that many customers are wanting and the competition provides. Hopefully the image quality is class-leading, so the technical omissions can be forgiven.

Sep 17, 2008 at 05:51 AM

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p.3 #12 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread

Anyone found the 5DmkII special/dedicated site from Canon ... I hear there are image samples over there?

Sep 17, 2008 at 05:51 AM

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p.3 #13 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread

Daan B wrote:
Looks like a landscape/commercial cam to me... 21MP is overkill for weddings and every day usage. It remains slow (FPS) and it seems the AF from the 40D/50D has found its way into the 5D2. So sports and wildlife shooting is out of the question also. Not as allround as I would like it to be. I think I will stick with my 1Ds3

One FPS slower than 1DsMkIII. Not a big deal, I reckon.
However, it wouldn't surprise me if the 5DII surpasses 1DsMkIII in IQ and high ISO performance.

I think Canon had to assert their prosumer FF camera IQ superiority today......that's where the 5D II should shine......if in the process they have to run over their flagship camera, well, so be it.......I guess they figure the 1DsMk IV should fix any bad feelings about that.

Sep 17, 2008 at 05:52 AM

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p.3 #14 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread

maybe a 1dsmk4 is closer than we think

Sep 17, 2008 at 05:54 AM

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Sunny Sra wrote:

i used to have the D60, shot with it in some very humid conditions, snow, rain etc...never a problem. it's also probably 1/2 the weither of teh 1dsIII ...i think it'll be just fine in weather shooting...

Well go to Iguazu falls and try to take a picture there...
What's annoying is that it's a marketing decision as always.
D700 wasn't enough to change Canon's approach - milk as long as you can,
who cares what the customers want....

Sep 17, 2008 at 05:54 AM

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PetKal wrote:

One FPS slower than 1DsMkIII. Not a big deal, I reckon.
However, it wouldn't surprise me if the 5DII surpasses 1DsMkIII in IQ and high ISO performance.

It'll trounce the 1Ds III in noise at least and overall in IQ I'm sure

Sep 17, 2008 at 05:55 AM

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p.3 #17 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread

Superb!

Where's Ralph? Time to wake up my boy

Sep 17, 2008 at 05:56 AM

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Cableaddict wrote:
One thing is very intriguing-

they show the new battery grip (meet the new boss, same as the old boss...) but then they also show a DIFFERENT grip mounted, that says "wireless file transmitter."

I assume that means the transmitter is built into this second grip. I guess that's a good thing if you intend to buy the transmitter right away. It kind of sucks if you want to buy a grip now, and maybe buy a transmitter later.

Its probably the same style grips/trans as the 40D. It only holds one battery.

Sep 17, 2008 at 05:56 AM

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p.3 #19 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread

Pixel Perfect,
does FPS change when you use sRAW?

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Sep 17, 2008 at 05:57 AM

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snowboarder wrote:
Sunny Sra wrote:

i used to have the D60, shot with it in some very humid conditions, snow, rain etc...never a problem. it's also probably 1/2 the weither of teh 1dsIII ...i think it'll be just fine in weather shooting...

Well go to Iguazu falls and try to take a picture there...
What's annoying is that it's a marketing decision as always.
D700 wasn't enough to change Canon's approach - milk as long as you can,
who cares what the customers want....

is that equivalent to dunking the 1dsIII into sea water and see what happens? seriously..just move on.

Sep 17, 2008 at 05:57 AM

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tomdos wrote:
I too am worried they left out the gapless. Would be a shame to have a newer/better technology in the 50D. I really hope that's an accidental omission.

I am, however, suprised that EF-S lenses will work. Will be curious to read what the sensor scales down to with a crop lens mounted.

Lets wait. The information is not overworked yet:

Specifications
Type: Digital, single-lens reflex, AF/AE camera with built-in flash

Did not see the flash.
I guess it has gapeless microlenses. High ISO is 2 stops higher than 1Ds offers. That imo can not just be done with Digic IV. They would not bring a 5D MK II with lower IQ than 50D.

Ralph

Sep 17, 2008 at 05:58 AM

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p.3 #22 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread

digitalbug30d wrote:
Pixel Perfect,
does FPS change when you use sRAW?

Well it's a maximum of 3.9fps, so I don't think so. Nothing in the specs says sRAW has different burst rate.

Sep 17, 2008 at 06:00 AM

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tomdos wrote:
Napalm wrote:
tomdos wrote:
I am, however, suprised that EF-S lenses will work. Will be curious to read what the sensor scales down to with a crop lens mounted.

That's a mistake, surely

It's possible...the D700 allows it. Why not add it and scale back a portion of the sensor that is used.

I'd trade the gapless omission for an "error" on the EF-S lens usability.

The D700 doesn’t. the FX and DX lenses from Nikkor use the same mount. Canon’s short-back-focus lenses protrude further into the body, so it’s not the same thing. Crop lenses with EF mount and the method of cropping to 1.6 (1.5 in Nikon’s case) would work.

--- I guess!

Sep 17, 2008 at 06:00 AM

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p.3 #24 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread

Napalm wrote:
Another body HAS to be coming at photokina.

Doubt it, and think Canon is really setting itself up for Nikon to eat it's lunch. It doesn't happen overnight, but if you look at the facts that Nikon is about to introduce a FF sensor around 24 mp, they give a pro build on several cameras, and the noise gap is closing, while Canon keeps doling out the features, it doesn't take a lot of imagination to see the writing on the wall. I had hoped Canon would figure it out and make the 5D replacement something other than a 5D w/more pixels and higher iso.

Don't understand why they are satisfied with the market share loss this strategy has yielded.

Sep 17, 2008 at 06:01 AM

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p.3 #25 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread

Beni wrote:
According to DPReview al 9 AF point are now cross type, in other words the camera has now been updated to the focusing system of the - 40D.

Anyone see anything about any weather sealing at all? Even to 40D standards?

Both RG and image-resource say largely unchanged from 5D, and does not have 40D upgrades, only lens microadjust.

Sep 17, 2008 at 06:02 AM


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