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p.1 #1 · Bibble 5

I know this belongs in the Processing forum, but I wanted to make sure you guys all have a look at what Bibble 5 has to offer.

http://www.bibblelabs.com/products/bibble5/

I can't wait to buy it!

-selective editing, using any adjustment tool, on regions and layers

-comparison mode; view multiple images at any % and pan around simultaneously.

-stupidly fast

-very cool presets, have to be seen!

-support for (and full use of) up to 16 cores!

Too many features to mention here. Watch the videos!

Sep 17, 2008 at 12:44 AM

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p.1 #2 · Bibble 5

shhhh, adobe might hear you...

Good to see a local austin company come out with a competitive product. Looks nice, hopefully it spurs adobe to fix the speed issues with lightroom.

Sep 17, 2008 at 04:03 AM

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p.1 #3 · Bibble 5

Just asked Bibble whether you can simultaneously have Bibble installed on Linux and Windows on the same machine under one licence and they said yes. Still waiting to hear back on v5 and on how exactly it's implemented. Looks good, though. Have started to dual boot Ubuntu and am coming to really like it - will probably never meetv all my needs, but I'd like to use it the majority of the time, only reverting to Windows when absolutely necessary. Evolution and Open Office are as good or better than the Microsoft equivalents, and free.

Sep 17, 2008 at 06:48 AM

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p.1 #4 · Bibble 5

It's not available yet but it says if you buy 4.1 now you get a free upgrade to 5. I bought 4 about a year ago - I wonder what discounts they will offer.......

Sep 17, 2008 at 07:17 AM

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p.1 #5 · Bibble 5

Looks interesting, but at the end of the day I'd have to test the basic image quality. Not all raw processors are equal when it comes to demosaicing, colour, etc.

Sep 17, 2008 at 09:10 AM

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p.1 #6 · Bibble 5

Very true - it will have to beat C1 on demosaicing.

Sep 17, 2008 at 09:16 AM

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p.1 #7 · Bibble 5

shirozina wrote:
It's not available yet but it says if you buy 4.1 now you get a free upgrade to 5. I bought 4 about a year ago - I wonder what discounts they will offer.......

I bought BibblePro 4.x in June '07, and was promised a free upgrade to 5.

Sep 17, 2008 at 10:09 AM

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p.1 #8 · Bibble 5

I bought mine on 23.11.07 so I'll be OK

Sep 17, 2008 at 10:28 AM

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p.1 #9 · Bibble 5

Is there a genereal consensus about its render engine?

Sep 17, 2008 at 10:43 AM

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p.1 #10 · Bibble 5

foto-z wrote:
Looks interesting, but at the end of the day I'd have to test the basic image quality. Not all raw processors are equal when it comes to demosaicing, colour, etc.
I was always underwhelmed by Bibble's ability to extract detail and the colours weren't great. Hopefully v5 is much better.

Sep 17, 2008 at 10:54 AM

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p.1 #11 · Bibble 5

It's anounced but not available so we will have to wait and see. ACR and DPP are unusable for for me for generating images for stitching because of their crude demosaicing which creates stairstepping on edges which then get massively enhanced when the images are warped. That's why I use C1 at present.

Sep 17, 2008 at 10:58 AM

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p.1 #12 · Bibble 5

Pixel Perfect wrote:
foto-z wrote:
Looks interesting, but at the end of the day I'd have to test the basic image quality. Not all raw processors are equal when it comes to demosaicing, colour, etc.
I was always underwhelmed by Bibble's ability to extract detail and the colours weren't great. Hopefully v5 is much better.

You haven't tried it in a while then. Phil Askey of DPReview states: “The image with the most resolution and fewest artifacts appears to be that produced by Bibble Pro”.

Sep 17, 2008 at 11:41 AM

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p.1 #13 · Bibble 5

shirozina wrote:
It's anounced but not available so we will have to wait and see. ACR and DPP are unusable for for me for generating images for stitching because of their crude demosaicing which creates stairstepping on edges which then get massively enhanced when the images are warped. That's why I use C1 at present.

Many aspects of Bibble have been reworked, including both demosaicing and sharpening.

The quality of the processing in 4.10 is incredible and 5 will only be better.

Sep 17, 2008 at 11:43 AM

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p.1 #14 · Bibble 5

I've used 4.10 and even with various sharpening methods it can't quite extract the level of detail that C1 can. I was also similarly underwhelmed by its colour reproduction and it's tonal qualities. I'll definaley give 5 a run though.

Sep 17, 2008 at 12:04 PM

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p.1 #15 · Bibble 5

Hopefully it'll be a 64bit app, so you can use more than 2GB of RAM for it.

Sep 17, 2008 at 03:30 PM

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p.1 #16 · Bibble 5

I'll download the tryout. Nothing to lose.

Sep 17, 2008 at 04:05 PM

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p.1 #17 · Bibble 5

shiwan wrote:
Hopefully it'll be a 64bit app, so you can use more than 2GB of RAM for it.

It is.

Sep 17, 2008 at 05:11 PM

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p.1 #18 · Bibble 5

foto-z wrote:
I'll download the tryout. Nothing to lose.

5 is going to be much different than 4.10, so try to hold your judgment till 5 is available.

5 isn't just about new features, it is about 2 years of user feedback and requests, and much of the internals have been completely re-written, new algorithms developed, etc.

Sep 17, 2008 at 05:13 PM

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p.1 #19 · Bibble 5

Will there be an "undo" function?

I really wanted to like Bibble, except for the undo and a few other UI quirks I couldn't get used to over three separate trials. NN is a great tool for a raw converter. The batch speed is also outstanding.

I just plunked down some $$$ for LR2 boxed version that I can return in case B5 works out.

Sep 17, 2008 at 05:57 PM

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p.1 #20 · Bibble 5

This announcement combined with the 5D and Zeiss lenses is giving me Brain Freeze

Sep 17, 2008 at 07:56 PM

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p.1 #21 · Bibble 5

EltonTeng wrote:
Will there be an "undo" function?

I really wanted to like Bibble, except for the undo and a few other UI quirks I couldn't get used to over three separate trials. NN is a great tool for a raw converter. The batch speed is also outstanding.

I just plunked down some $$$ for LR2 boxed version that I can return in case B5 works out.

Not just undo, but a complete history that you can browse and jump back and forth in. All non-destructive, completely undoable editing, across layers!

Sep 17, 2008 at 08:50 PM

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p.1 #22 · Bibble 5

cogitech wrote:

Not just undo, but a complete history that you can browse and jump back and forth in. All non-destructive, completely undoable editing, across layers!

That is awesome. I may be able to return the LR or just sell it locally.

Sep 17, 2008 at 09:48 PM

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p.1 #23 · Bibble 5

Phil Askey's quote was based on a Nikon D300 file. Being a newish DSLR it could just be that Bibble did a better job in their initial support for that camera. RAW processing results are very camera dependent. I didn't think the color was as good as some others for my SLR/c files.

cogitech wrote:
Pixel Perfect wrote:
foto-z wrote:
Looks interesting, but at the end of the day I'd have to test the basic image quality. Not all raw processors are equal when it comes to demosaicing, colour, etc.
I was always underwhelmed by Bibble's ability to extract detail and the colours weren't great. Hopefully v5 is much better.

You haven't tried it in a while then. Phil Askey of DPReview states: “The image with the most resolution and fewest artifacts appears to be that produced by Bibble Pro”.

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Sep 17, 2008 at 10:44 PM

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p.1 #24 · Bibble 5

Being a major upgrade, from a fairly small company, it wouldn't be a surprise to see some bugs in the initial release. Early adopters may end up being beta testers. even their V4 has it's quirks on some hardware.

Sep 17, 2008 at 10:47 PM

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p.1 #25 · Bibble 5

I'm looking forward to trying it. I'm splitting my RAW processing between DPP and ACR, I don't like the way ACR handles color but I like the Recovery, Fill Light, Clarity, and Vibrance sliders. It also has a spectacular up-res engine, so I can get great 12×18 inkjet prints at 344 dpi from my 1DsII.

DPP is shot full of weaknesses, but it's a great little engine to process for the web. Exposure adjustment is awkward. Sharpening tools are terrific.

I downloaded Bibble 4 for try-out, liked the way it handled files, liked everything about it, except it lacked any sort of up-res. I tried Fred's up-res plug-in for PS, it was OK but not the equal of ACR.

Is there up-res in Bibble 5?

Sep 18, 2008 at 12:29 AM


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