panos.v wrote:
I doubt Canon would undermine it's HD videocamera sales like this.
Sadly, I agree. Canon is way too uptight about not overrunning other models (hence crippling non-1D cameras).
I'm super stoked on the D90, enough that I might add one to all my Canon gear, with just a 50/1.4. Mostly for the video feature, too, which I think is incredible.
In my opinion, this will have a tremendous impact. This means to cinema what affordable DSLRs (like the D70) meant to photography. In a few years I expect to see a huge increase in amateur movie makers, sometimes producing near Hollywood-quality work (minus the 10 million dollar special effects). Just imagine what all the pro Nikon lenses can do, which people already own anyway.
That said, I'd like to see the 5min limitation to go away. I'll give one year before we see 1080p, video size limited by the size of the flash only, and auto focus (not with the AF sensor, but by digital signal processing technology).
It appears that it tops out at a 5 min clip at a time.
Now, the other thing to consider at this juncture is the heat it produces and therefore how it will affect the long term use of the sensor. Heat causes noise in the image and also shortens the life of the sensor.
DavidWEGS wrote:
It appears that it tops out at a 5 min clip at a time.
Now, the other thing to consider at this juncture is the heat it produces and therefore how it will affect the long term use of the sensor. Heat causes noise in the image and also shortens the life of the sensor.
just get the extended warranty, problem solved :-)
RyanFlynn wrote:
Sadly, I agree. Canon is way too uptight about not overrunning other models (hence crippling non-1D cameras).
Don't kid your self folks, this is where it is all going, Nikon AND Canon are waaaaaay ahead of you.
And as far as all the great amateur films that will come of this, sure, that is true. But pros are going to blow it out of the universe since they too, are waaaay ahead of most.
This is technology many have been ready for over ten years.
Film_Ruled, I definitely hope you're right about Canon following suit, I guess I'm just losing faith in Canon doing many things right and pushing the envelope.
Most of you here would have a good laugh at the quality of the still shots that a Canon GL-2 or a Sony VX2100 can produce, and the video guy’s are going to have a good laugh at anyone using a D90 for video.
I don’t mean to imply that the quality will be bad, but things like narrow depth of field are rather useless. Some people here have difficulty achieving accurate focus with narrow dof on a still subject, now try doing it with a fast moving subject… and if the subject is relatively still, it’s probably going to be a rather boring video.
Even if you stop down to f16, the dof is going to be questionably useful, and you better have lots of light!... The two sample video’s I saw on the Nikon site are of subjects which are maintaining a relatively constant distance to the camera, I think there’s a good reason for that.
There’s no questioning the superior image quality of an slr and good glass, but for the most part, all those pixels will be wasted when the best TV’s can only display 1920x1080.
Edited by huduguru on Sep 07, 2008 at 11:45 PM GMT
RyanFlynn wrote:
Film_Ruled, I definitely hope you're right about Canon following suit, I guess I'm just losing faith in Canon doing many things right and pushing the envelope.
You have to realize that how the internet hypes out the percieved "camera-wars" is the biggest load of bull you will ever see or read. These guys don't "follow suit" or "fire back", they are much further along on the R/D path than anyone realizes, the introduction of the D90 proves that to a tee.
I will never understand how many who know so little about what they speak about can just beat the speculation bucket to the utter death instead of making ground breaking images or honing their talents on current gear, it is truly a waste.
And I am not accusing you of that, I am just pointing out the ludicrous.
Canon is going to unleash some great new gear and so is Nikon and the better and better game will never end.
But what will end is the opportunity we all have every day to become brilliant, even genius at how we portray the world if we squander our time on these matters of new gear, which is clearly out of our control.
huduguru wrote:
Most of you here would have a good laugh at the quality of the still shots that a Canon GL-2 or a Sony VX2100 can produce, and the video guy’s are going to have a good laugh at anyone using a D90 for video.
I don’t mean to imply that the quality will be bad, but things like narrow depth of field are rather useless. Some people here have difficulty achieving accurate focus with narrow dof on a still subject, now try doing it with a fast moving subject… and if the subject is relatively still, it’s probably going to be a rather boring video.
Even if you stop down to f16, the dof is going to be questionably useful, and you better have lots of light!... The two sample video’s I saw on the Nikon site are of subjects which are maintaining a relatively constant distance to the camera, I think there’s a good reason for that.
There’s no questioning the superior image quality of an slr, but for the most part, all those pixels will be wasted when the best TV’s can only display 1920x1080....Show more →
Sure....tell that to one of my more progressive clients, we are the ones who are going to have the last laugh:
I have nothing against the idea of video from an slr, and if you’re a camera salesman this is a great bit of Bling to pitch to your clients.
I have no doubt the quality of the video will be fairly good as long as the subject isn’t moving much… if you want to video your new born baby just laying on the bed, the D90 will do the trick… just make sure you buy a real video camera before the kid learns to crawl, because the D90 will never keep up.
Then again, some people find the Direct Print button on a $3000 5D useful… what the hell do I know!
huduguru wrote:
I don’t mean to imply that the quality will be bad, but things like narrow depth of field are rather useless. Some people here have difficulty achieving accurate focus with narrow dof on a still subject, now try doing it with a fast moving subject… and if the subject is relatively still, it’s probably going to be a rather boring video.
Even if you stop down to f16, the dof is going to be questionably useful, and you better have lots of light!... The two sample video’s I saw on the Nikon site are of subjects which are maintaining a relatively constant distance to the camera, I think there’s a good reason for that. ...Show more →
Nobody said you'll be shooting a 85/1.4 wide open at the minimum focusing distance. That would be pretty difficult. But any camcorder costing what a D90 costs or less is unable to give you anything less than huge amounts of DOF, so a bit of control would be more than welcome.
The D90 is not for people who want to film their kids running around or aunt Edna at the Xmas table being senile. There are far more easier tools for that. But if you have a planned shot, a thought out scene where you have some control of the elements, it should do the trick.
I'll be getting one when they arrive in the shops (no way I'm pre-ordering ) and will see how it goes.
panos.v wrote:
Nobody said you'll be shooting a 85/1.4 wide open at the minimum focusing distance. That would be pretty difficult. But any camcorder costing what a D90 costs or less is unable to give you anything less than huge amounts of DOF, so a bit of control would be more than welcome.
The D90 is not for people who want to film their kids running around or aunt Edna at the Xmas table being senile. There are far more easier tools for that. But if you have a planned shot, a thought out scene where you have some control of the elements, it should do the trick.
I'll be getting one when they arrive in the shops (no way I'm pre-ordering ) and will see how it goes....Show more →
Obviously he has never worked with a motion picture film crew that uses pre-set focus spots marked on the barrel of a manual focus Zeiss prime mounted on an Arriflex....:-)
Most of the scenes in the movie "Dances with Wolves" of the wolf running around out in the tall grass prairie were filmed with an adapted Nikon 300mm F/2 AIS wide open. Talk about shallow DOF.
I don't know which is more exciting, the fact that Nikon has done this or that 95% of the general public is *completely* oblivious as to just how powerful this is going to be, especially in later incarnations..
panos.v wrote:
I don't know if and what is more exciting but I do know that I've never been more excited and intrigued about a new camera than the D90.
I agree. I find it exciting. I love my Panasonic GS-400, and the ability to add some other special shots will just be fantastic. I cannot wait to get my hands on this thing, and the Canon version if that one comes out soon as well.
I Agree...Its not the tech that is revolutionary, its the product placement. Video in a DSLR! Basically NIKON said "so what if its a still camera! who cares, get it done..' Kudos on this one for the big N.
I also think the reason it is in the D90 is NIKON's way of testing the market response on the idea; this will be a standard from now on! ? Especially on the pro cameras. A still/video combination is simply the next logical step...a subject of discusison I remember since the early DSLR days.
I honestly don't understand what all the fuss about the D90's video capability is
Take a Nikon D3 body, connect its HDMI output to a Blackmagic Intensity HDMI capture card inserted in a PC, activate the D3's liveview mode and presto, you can record 1920x1080 video coming from a full-size sensor.
Granted, carrying — in addition to your camera bag — a PC equipped with a sound card and three SATA2 hard disks configured as a RAID0 array to keep up with the 150MBytes/sec HDMI capture data bandwidth, a mini PC LCD display, a mini PC keyboard, a microphone connected to the PC sound card, a decent Sachtler video tripod and a 53-pound UPS that has, fully charged, enough battery capacity to power the PC for over an hour might be a bit challenging, but think about the image quality and the bokeh you'll get with such a combination
) and will see how it goes.
