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p.4 #1 · Zeiss ZE lenses on September 15th?

Yes, I meant euros, not $

Sep 14, 2008 at 11:57 PM

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p.4 #2 · Zeiss ZE lenses on September 15th?

Still not too bad. 1400 euros is about the going price for a CZ. You get AE thrown in for free, no adapter costs, and maybe ) MAYBE) DxO will give us a module for distortion correction.

-That would be heaven on a stick.

Sep 15, 2008 at 12:07 AM

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p.4 #3 · Zeiss ZE lenses on September 15th?

It's going to be pretty interesting to see how folks respond to the 85/1.4, since it's coming in at about the same price as the excellent Canon 85L.

Sep 15, 2008 at 12:10 AM

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p.4 #4 · Zeiss ZE lenses on September 15th?

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Still not too bad. 1400 euros is about the going price for a CZ. You get AE thrown in for free, no adapter costs, and maybe ) MAYBE) DxO will give us a module for distortion correction.

-That would be heaven on a stick.

The new 21 has an extra element which maybe for distortion control? New lens is larger and heavier than old lens.

The ZE support all metering modes, ETLL II, and have AF confirm chip. If they support electronic aperture control as well we couldn't have really asked for more.

Sep 15, 2008 at 12:10 AM

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p.4 #5 · Zeiss ZE lenses on September 15th?

The extra element might suggest a complete redesign to comply with RoHS (or whatever it's called for glass :d). The classic 21 might be gone as we know it, but then again knowing Zeiss, they might just pull it off.

Sep 15, 2008 at 12:18 AM

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The ZE support all metering modes, ETLL II, and have AF confirm chip. If they support electronic aperture control as well we couldn't have really asked for more.

Are you saying that the ZE's DON'T support electronic aperture control? Or do we just not know yet? I was assuming they would. If not, well that would be quite a disappointment.

Sep 15, 2008 at 01:02 AM

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p.4 #7 · Zeiss ZE lenses on September 15th?

The German web site seems to indicate that the ZE lenses DO support electronic aperture control

Sep 15, 2008 at 01:03 AM

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p.4 #8 · Zeiss ZE lenses on September 15th?

If you look at the pic of the ZE 50/1.4 pictured, there is no aperture ring (the pics of the 85 and 21 are actually ZF units)

Sep 15, 2008 at 01:07 AM

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p.4 #9 · Zeiss ZE lenses on September 15th?

Anyone know what pricing in the US will be?

Sep 15, 2008 at 01:20 AM

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p.4 #10 · Zeiss ZE lenses on September 15th?

Usually US pricing is not the exact Euro exchange rate...we usually get a break. My bet would be $1600-$1700 for the 21/2.8, and the same prices as the current 50 f/1.4 and 85 f/1.4 for ZF mount.

Considering Contax 21/2.8's usually sel for $2600, I agree...there's going to be a firestorm sale of a lot of those.

Sep 15, 2008 at 01:34 AM

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p.4 #11 · Zeiss ZE lenses on September 15th?

Will I love my old Zeiss 21/2.8 tomorrow - I think so. But I am really looking forward to the Zeiss 50/1.4, I have never fallen in love with my Canon 50/1.4. Making a lens at 1.4 is a lot easier than a 1.2, so the Zeiss 50 and 85 may be sharper with better micro contrast than the Canon 1.2s, for those who do not need F1.2.

Sep 15, 2008 at 01:34 AM

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p.4 #12 · Zeiss ZE lenses on September 15th?

Both my old C/Y Zeiss 50 f/1.4 and 85 f/1.4 are superb lenses and if the new ones are optically as good with all the other benefits I'll be stoked. Hopefull the new 21 is a gem like the original too, as what a combo with a new 20+MP 5D replacement.

Sep 15, 2008 at 02:03 AM

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p.4 #13 · Zeiss ZE lenses on September 15th?

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Both my old C/Y Zeiss 50 f/1.4 and 85 f/1.4 are superb lenses and if the new ones are optically as good with all the other benefits I'll be stoked. Hopefull the new 21 is a gem like the original too, as what a combo with a new 20+MP 5D replacement.

There you go, PP.......with those MF lenses you won't even need an enhanced (working ?) AF system on the 5DII.

Sep 15, 2008 at 02:16 AM

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There you go, PP.......with those MF lenses you won't even need an enhanced (working ?) AF system on the 5DII.

They were made for the 1D III I think according to the Zeiss white papers

Seriously if the 5D is 20+MP I would like it to have much improved AF for birding/action.

Sep 15, 2008 at 02:43 AM

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p.4 #15 · Zeiss ZE lenses on September 15th?

Some sand in the vaseline:

As noted on the other ZE thread, the new lenses appear to NOT have aperture rings.

So, they will do auto-aperture - Yowsa!

-but won't allow you to manually adjust the aperture when you WANT to. (in order to see the true DOF of your shot.) - @#%$@#

I guess that's fine with a landscape lens like the 21mm, but on an 85mm, I dunno.

Gotta' think about this some more.......

Sep 15, 2008 at 03:18 AM

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Some sand in the vaseline:

As noted on the other ZE thread, the new lenses appear to NOT have aperture rings.

So, they will do auto-aperture - Yowsa!

-but won't allow you to manually adjust the aperture when you WANT to. (in order to see the true DOF of your shot.) - @#%$@#

I guess that's fine with a landscape lens like the 21mm, but on an 85mm, I dunno.

Gotta' think about this some more.......

I don't understand why this is a problem. And quite oppositely, having auto aperture is a massive step in the right direction regarding convenience and ease of use. I'm having a hard time thinking of a time when a darker viewfinder is more desirable for manual focus.

You can adjust the aperture value when you want to. You don't need an aperture ring for that. Use the scroll wheel just above the shutter button. Then depress the DOF preview button to see the DOF.

Sep 15, 2008 at 03:41 AM

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Cableaddict wrote:
Some sand in the vaseline:

As noted on the other ZE thread, the new lenses appear to NOT have aperture rings.

So, they will do auto-aperture - Yowsa!

-but won't allow you to manually adjust the aperture when you WANT to. (in order to see the true DOF of your shot.) - @#%$@#

I guess that's fine with a landscape lens like the 21mm, but on an 85mm, I dunno.

Gotta' think about this some more.......

I don't understand why this is a problem. And quite oppositely, having auto aperture is a massive step in the right direction regarding convenience and ease of use. I'm having a hard time thinking of a time when a darker viewfinder is more desirable for manual focus.

You can adjust the aperture value when you want to. You don't need an aperture ring for that. Use the scroll wheel just above the shutter button. Then depress the DOF preview button to see the DOF.

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Sep 15, 2008 at 03:45 AM

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p.4 #18 · Zeiss ZE lenses on September 15th?

You obviously don't care about this, but as you can see on that other thread, quite a few folks do. Depends on how you like to work.

If I'm shooting outside in bright sun, using manual focus (my usual choice even with Canon lenses) adjusting between f/2 & f/8 to get "just' the right DOF, I can't be bothered to hit the (cumbersome) DOF preview button all the time. DOF and focus are too closely connected.

In that situation (bright daylight) I don't need the aperture wide-open in order to focus, so I MUCH prefer working with the desired aperture set all the time.

Maybe if the DOF preview button could lock....
That's an interesting possibility for the 5DII, but I doubt Canon would bother.

Sep 15, 2008 at 03:46 AM

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You obviously don't care about this, but as you can see on that other thread, quite a few folks do. Depends on how you like to work.

My impression is that people want an aperture ring because they like setting the aperture that way. But ask people if they would prefer if the lens stop down or not as the aperture ring is turned. My bet is everyone will say they want to lens to stop down only when the shutter release is pressed.

If I'm shooting outside in bright sun, using manual focus (my usual choice even with Canon lenses) adjusting between f/2 & f/8 to get "just' the right DOF, I can't be bothered to hit the (cumbersome) DOF preview button all the time. DOF and focus are too closely connected.

In that situation (bright daylight) I don't need the aperture wide-open in order to focus, so I MUCH prefer working with the desired aperture set all the time.

But still, wouldn't you prefer a brighter viewfinder anyway? I think most of us using alternative lenses these days do exactly what you do not out of preference (though it may be preference in your case) but out of convenience/laziness.

Sep 15, 2008 at 03:59 AM

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In that situation (bright daylight) I don't need the aperture wide-open in order to focus, so I MUCH prefer working with the desired aperture set all the time.

But still, wouldn't you prefer a brighter viewfinder anyway? I think most of us using alternative lenses these days do exactly what you do not out of preference (though it may be preference in your case) but out of convenience/laziness.

Prefer? Sure, but not at the cost of that trade-off. I shoot a 5D with a Brightscreen D2 magnified viewfinder. I have not found a need to switch focus-screens, so my view is very large & very bright. I can even focus indoors, at selected aperture, up until about f/4.
After that it gets a little tough.

Well, the coming ubiquitousness (is that a word?) of live-view make make this a somewhat moot point, anyway.

Sep 15, 2008 at 04:04 AM

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p.4 #21 · Zeiss ZE lenses on September 15th?

Holy cr@p! Zeiss 21mm for my new 5D II

Can't believe it actually really happens..

Sep 15, 2008 at 04:06 AM

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p.4 #22 · Zeiss ZE lenses on September 15th?

I wonder how the new Zeiss 21mm will compare to the Nikon 14-24mm f2.8 or the converted Zeiss 17-35mm f2.8 N.... this should be interesting......

Performance of the 21mm ZE is a given.... but without AF.....maybe it does not matter for most, but it does help me a bit.....

Sep 15, 2008 at 04:22 AM

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p.4 #23 · Zeiss ZE lenses on September 15th?

"Wie bei allen EF-Objektiven werden bei den ZE-Modellen alle Informationen ausschließlich über elektronische Kontakte übermittelt. Dadurch werden sämtliche Belichtungsmodi wie Programm-, Blenden-, Zeitautomatik und manuelle Einstellungen unterstützt. Auch die automatische Fokussierbestätigung bleibt uneingeschränkt verfügbar."

Translation: "With the ZE models, as with all EF lenses, all information will be transmitted exclusively over electronic contacts, thereby supporting all exposure modes like P, Av, Tv and M. Also, auto-focus confirmation remains fully available."

Sep 15, 2008 at 04:43 AM

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p.4 #24 · Zeiss ZE lenses on September 15th?

That's a good translation, Abam. Real men don't need Google trans-garblers.

Sep 15, 2008 at 05:14 AM

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p.4 #25 · Zeiss ZE lenses on September 15th?

besten dank

i just thought the idea of a zeiss 50mm 1.4 on a 5d successor deserved more than a "much joy to be of blinding happiness with tube of glass" auto-translation.

=)

Sep 15, 2008 at 05:35 AM


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