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p.1 #1 · D3 v 1Ds3 at ISO 12800

I am looking for a near-London based D3 or D700 user who is interested in testing a D3 or D700 against a 1Ds3 at high ISOs. My 1Ds3 is surprisingly acceptable at ISO 12800, but of course I have to do pushing and noise reduction in post. Conventional wisdom is that the D3/700 has no peers at these speeds, and I'm curious to assess how big the gap is. I haven't found a website which tests crops at the same magnification, or tries pushing the 1Ds3 beyond its stated limits.

I did start a thread about this over on the Canon forum, but unfortunately it hasn't garnered any contributions of actual direct comparisons.

Any takers?

An hour or two of testing could be followed by beer - I'll buy the first round.

Richard

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Aug 31, 2008 at 07:12 PM

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p.1 #2 · D3 v 1Ds3 at ISO 12800

Dang, shame you're in London. This Bostonian could go for a beer ...

-Tom

Aug 31, 2008 at 07:43 PM

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p.1 #3 · D3 v 1Ds3 at ISO 12800

Please explain your testing methodologies. Just curious.

Aug 31, 2008 at 07:46 PM

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p.1 #4 · D3 v 1Ds3 at ISO 12800

Just another disgruntled Canon fanboy, who thinks any test a Canon doesn't win must somehow be unfair...

Aug 31, 2008 at 08:06 PM

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molson wrote:
Just another disgruntled Canon fanboy, who thinks any test a Canon doesn't win must somehow be unfair...

Huh, and here I thought he was just curious...

Aug 31, 2008 at 08:19 PM

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p.1 #6 · D3 v 1Ds3 at ISO 12800

The King is Dead , long live the King

such a thinly veiled trooler, you have gone on ad naeseum about the "king" for pages and pages, and with an a priori such as your how could a Nikon ever hope to satisfy the fan boy in you

Dude , you have a great camera , just let it be. I could care less if there is something in the canon camp that does as well as my D3 or even better. It satisfies my need in spades

Aug 31, 2008 at 08:22 PM

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p.1 #7 · D3 v 1Ds3 at ISO 12800

Avi B wrote:
Please explain your testing methodologies. Just curious.

Take the same picture with the same lens at the same aperture setting and shutter speed, in moderate light and very low light. Make the best large print you can from each. See which is better.

Aug 31, 2008 at 09:19 PM

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jmcfadden wrote:
The King is Dead , long live the King

such a thinly veiled trooler, you have gone on ad naeseum about the "king" for pages and pages, and with an a priori such as your how could a Nikon ever hope to satisfy the fan boy in you

Dude , you have a great camera , just let it be. I could care less if there is something in the canon camp that does as well as my D3 or even better. It satisfies my need in spades

If this subject bores you, read another thread rather than poisoning this one. I am not a fanboy, I use whatever gear suits me best. I don't care about brands. I am genuinely interested in this question. I have every expectation that the D3 will produce better results, in terms of noise suppression and usability of images. I want to compare the low light performance of these two cameras. That comparison did not emerge on the other thread, so I came here to find a London D3 or D700 user to meet up with. Why must you resort to insulting me, without any provocation whatsoever?

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Aug 31, 2008 at 09:29 PM

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p.1 #9 · D3 v 1Ds3 at ISO 12800

Best of luck finding someone. I am sure your results will be interesting to say the least!

Aug 31, 2008 at 09:33 PM

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molson wrote:
Just another disgruntled Canon fanboy, who thinks any test a Canon doesn't win must somehow be unfair...

I am not a Canon fanboy, and I'm certainly not disgruntled but I haven't seen any very helpful comparisons between these two cameras at very high ISO. Both Luminous Landscape and DPReview compare 100% crops from the two cameras which means they are at very different magnifications. I want to see a more accurate comparison. I don't expect the 1Ds3 to 'win', but I do want to see the extent of the difference. What is so unreasonable and fanboyish about that?

Aug 31, 2008 at 09:57 PM

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p.1 #11 · D3 v 1Ds3 at ISO 12800

OK - I get the message. I'll see if I can borrow one from my dealer. Things have changed around here.

Aug 31, 2008 at 10:03 PM

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p.1 #12 · D3 v 1Ds3 at ISO 12800

Richard, can you post your picture results, when you get them, as i think there is something to you ideas on small pixels and noise. can't help you as i haven't ordered my 700 and i don't visit London.

the boys round here might have been scared off by some social interaction ;o)

Aug 31, 2008 at 10:20 PM

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Richard, can you post your picture results, when you get them...

Sure Louis, it'll be a pleasure. If the D3 mashes the 1Ds3 then I'll post here in the Nikon forum, and if the 1Ds3 is nearly as good as the D3 then I'll post in the Canon forum ;-)

Aug 31, 2008 at 10:25 PM

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p.1 #14 · D3 v 1Ds3 at ISO 12800

Post it here as well.

If your tests are performed evenly and as accurately as possible, then there should be no reason to dispute the results.

Good luck!!

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Aug 31, 2008 at 11:49 PM

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p.1 #15 · D3 v 1Ds3 at ISO 12800

Poor guy, seems like a no-win proposition here...

Ah well, I'd be interested to see the results myself.

Aug 31, 2008 at 11:50 PM

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p.1 #16 · D3 v 1Ds3 at ISO 12800

are you actually re-writing history , shall i dig up the "king" thread that you had in the canon forum and went on and on proclaiming Your conclusions ( and dismissing any which were not aligned with yours, namely that the D3 was the best of the current crop of cameras in this area) for weeks that the 1DsMKIII was the "king" of high ISO and you challenged the common conclusions of many various test sites as deficient in their methodology? hmmmmmmmmm

that never read like curiosity over there and it does not smell right over here either

if you had not proven to be such an apologist earlier you would find we are curious here too

J

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Sep 01, 2008 at 12:15 AM

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p.1 #17 · D3 v 1Ds3 at ISO 12800

no. if i were in the london area i would help him in this situation. i can appreciate someone who will make a serious effort to the usual lip service that has been passed around on these forums throughout the years. i really do hope that there is someone in the area that could help settle this. i respect him for trying to make his point in the proper way

Edited on Sep 01, 2008 at 12:35 AM

Sep 01, 2008 at 12:28 AM

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brainiac wrote:
I am looking for a near-London based D3 or D700 user who is interested in testing a D3 or D700 against a 1Ds3 at high ISOs. My 1Ds3 is surprisingly acceptable at ISO 12800, but of course I have to do pushing and noise reduction in post. Conventional wisdom is that the D3/700 has no peers at these speeds, and I'm curious to assess how big the gap is. I haven't found a website which tests crops at the same magnification, or tries pushing the 1Ds3 beyond its stated limits.

I did start a thread about this over on the Canon forum, but unfortunately it hasn't garnered any contributions of actual direct comparisons.

Any takers?

An hour or two of testing could be followed by beer - I'll buy the first round.

Richard

You get +marks in my book for wanting to do a real study. I hope you get the chance. Maybe you could rent a D3 and a comparable lens.

Sep 01, 2008 at 01:00 AM

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p.1 #19 · D3 v 1Ds3 at ISO 12800

jmcfadden wrote:
that never read like curiosity over there and it does not smell right over here either

Here is a quote from my comment which started that thread:
> I think 1ds3 detail is still fairly impressive at 12800. Maybe the D3 is just the prince of high iso, not the king. It would be fun to see a no punches pulled comparison.

Smells like curiosity to me. Or maybe I'll just tell you straight: I am curious to do this comparison, and would be grateful if anyone in the London area who has a D3 or D700 would be willing to share a beer and a simple camera test. Didn't I already say that? Why are you questioning it? Do you think when a London photographer offers to meet up that I will change my mind? I really don't understand this hostility to an open minded effort to at least establish whether it's misleading to compare 100% crops from 12 and 21 megapixel cameras. I expect the D3 to be better in terms of noise suppression, but not by very much. Since none of the popular review sites have done this comparison, I don't see any alternative to having a go myself.

Edited on Sep 01, 2008 at 01:06 AM

Sep 01, 2008 at 01:03 AM

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p.1 #20 · D3 v 1Ds3 at ISO 12800

intero wrote:
Dang, shame you're in London. This Bostonian could go for a beer ...

It is a shame. I like Boston beer, too.

Sep 01, 2008 at 01:10 AM

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