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p.40 #1 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

Ken Clacher wrote:
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And most of all, stop moaning.

There is more to life than gear.

Look around to what is important to you and revel in it. If its camera gear.....then get a life.

Ken

Seriously, you have nothing better to do than go on a gear forum and dive into a rumor thread to preach to people about how it's not the gear? Tired much? Pedantic much? If you don't believe in it, don't visit it. Like a church.

Sep 07, 2008 at 09:13 PM

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p.40 #2 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

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dcmiller wrote:
Canon is probably uncomfortable with these specs considering the 1DsIII. But they are likely more uncomfortable with Sony and Nikon.

Actually, this is NOT unprecedented. Canon did a similar move with the D30. Read what Phil Askey said here:

"Canon really did made life difficult for themselves, they knew full well that they would be judged on success of the D30, they know how important the digital photography market has become and how a camera like the D30 could affect their reputation.

An all Canon body, exposure system, electronics and imaging sensor plus the decision to use CMOS for the first time in a high resolution digital camera was a tough enough task, but to do all that at a price which would undercut the competition?"

I think Canon has reached a similar point in history again with the release of the 5D replacement. Now, whether they'll stand up to the challenge or sink back into the comforts of their past successes (by releasing a 50D body with FF sensor) will surely make or break their reputation forever.

No. They are not dump. The 50D is just an intro to where it will lead. That cameras IQ overcome all competitors gear. D300 is blown of, D700/D3 is old fashioned again (concerning IQ) 5D2 at that sensor technologie will be NO 1 in IQ compared to all available cameras. And affordable. And 1D will follow.

Edited on Sep 07, 2008 at 09:15 PM

Sep 07, 2008 at 09:14 PM

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p.40 #3 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

For those who didn't read into it... Sony have stated effectively they're the only ones who will use the 24mp sensor (exlusively for the Alpha). Add to that, the sensor is a 12bit DAC sensor, and with Sony's comparitively poor ISO performance (relative to the current market) this won't be a the one that all pro's go out and buy... Personally I don't see it as a big threat.

Sep 07, 2008 at 09:16 PM

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p.40 #4 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

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Many people go on about what the other manufacturers have to offer and most compare this to a three year old camera that most most people agree is excellent and is still the yard stick to be compared against. Canon have not released the specs of the new camera or cameras and some people are complaining or saying that canon have the edge. Canon make excellent cameras and lenses and Nikon make excellent cameras and lenses. Sony are hot on their heels as are many other very established companies. Please do not vent your fury or lust for a certain company until one makes a body or batch or lenses that meets your needs. Canon meets mine. Nikon meets my friends and Olympus meets my Dads. None are better than the other and none will ever be. Choose a system that works for you and dont complain. If you have to switch then go, dont try and make me feel bad for your decision. I cannot wait for the new offerings, the tasters from Canon dont show snippets of the final offerings because if they did it would be no fun for THEM. Patience is a virtue. Learn it, see what is on offer, make a decision on what meets your needs.

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And most of all, stop moaning.

There is more to life than gear.

Look around to what is important to you and revel in it. If its camera gear.....then get a life.

Ken

Sep 07, 2008 at 09:19 PM

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p.40 #5 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

Kagetsu wrote:
For those who didn't read into it... Sony have stated effectively they're the only ones who will use the 24mp sensor (exlusively for the Alpha). Add to that, the sensor is a 12bit DAC sensor, and with Sony's comparitively poor ISO performance (relative to the current market) this won't be a the one that all pro's go out and buy... Personally I don't see it as a big threat.

Maybe this is the cause why Canon still does not have a 20+ camera?

Sep 07, 2008 at 09:24 PM

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p.40 #6 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

Kagetsu wrote:
For those who didn't read into it... Sony have stated effectively they're the only ones who will use the 24mp sensor (exlusively for the Alpha). Add to that, the sensor is a 12bit DAC sensor, and with Sony's comparitively poor ISO performance (relative to the current market) this won't be a the one that all pro's go out and buy... Personally I don't see it as a big threat.
It actually baffles me that Sony would release such a camera aimed at the pro market, especially when so few pros shoot Sony, and their lenses aren't exactly the cream of the crop. To me it seems like marketing suicide, unless they are pricing it for the prosumer.

Sep 07, 2008 at 09:32 PM

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p.40 #7 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

Have you noticed the teasing banner on canon's official website?

http://www.canon.co.uk/index.asp

"see the future of photography... stay tuned..."

The size of the viewfinder is clearly reminding the 5d's but the selection knob on the right has disappeared...

Just my small contribution to the rumor thread! Waiting's almost over

Edited on Sep 07, 2008 at 10:11 PM

Sep 07, 2008 at 10:02 PM

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p.40 #8 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

No. Great! I am amazed ...

Where you have been since friday?

Ralph

Sep 07, 2008 at 10:13 PM

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p.40 #9 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

Anybody else see this? It was posted on dpreview.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jinxyo/2810513247/meta

Please don't shoot the messenger.

Edited by RJJR on Sep 07, 2008 at 05:31 PM GMT

Edited on Sep 07, 2008 at 10:31 PM

Sep 07, 2008 at 10:29 PM

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p.40 #10 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

RJJR wrote:
Enybody else see this? It was posted on dpreview.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jinxyo/2810513247/meta

It's been debunked as a 40D image. Those would be pretty goony settings to be shooting a wedding at, in any event.

Sep 07, 2008 at 10:30 PM

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p.40 #11 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

Ralph Conway wrote:
No. Great! I am amazed ...

Where you have been since friday?

Ralph

Obviously not around here...
Funny thing is I naively checked the two last pages before posting... it was just 10 pages before that!

well I tried

Sep 07, 2008 at 10:32 PM

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p.40 #12 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

jvarszegi wrote:
RJJR wrote:
Enybody else see this? It was posted on dpreview.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jinxyo/2810513247/meta

It's been debunked as a 40D image. Those would be pretty goony settings to be shooting a wedding at, in any event.

Yes, the EXIF data was discussed. Just wondered.

Sep 07, 2008 at 10:33 PM

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p.40 #13 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

Someone looked at the exif for that photo, and found it to be a 40D... Oh well.

I noticed the banner on Canons website... I'd just say the graphic artist got a little carried away with the crop.

Sep 07, 2008 at 10:36 PM

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p.40 #14 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

Ralph Conway wrote:
thw2 wrote:
dcmiller wrote:
I think a "50D 5DII" will be well recieved. But the days of Canon being universally better than Nikon on the higher end are over. There's nothing shocking about this change. The previous situation was unusual.

Agreed. From a features point of view, Canon is seriously lagging. They can't even get some of their basics right, e.g. autofocus accuracy. If they do nothing to reverse the situation, many folks will have lost confidence in them. Then again, the same thing happened to Nikon 8 years ago... until the D3/D300/D700 were released.

That was 1 year to one month ago.

@ dcmiller:
I do not think so. The 5D successor can not fail against Nikons D700/D3. The new sony will be relaesed under Nikons D700s price and it will have doubble resolution. Nikon uses their sensor. So they will have to offertheir D4 much below their D3 price. I see not how that should work.

Ralph

Double MP is not double the resolution. You must quadruple the MP to double the resolution, all other things equal.

Sep 07, 2008 at 10:48 PM

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p.40 #15 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

Ralph Conway wrote: Maybe this is the cause why Canon still does not have a 20+ camera?

What planet are you on? The 1Ds3 is 21 Mpixels.

Sep 07, 2008 at 10:55 PM

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p.40 #16 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

Ralph Conway wrote:
thw2 wrote:
dcmiller wrote:
Canon is probably uncomfortable with these specs considering the 1DsIII. But they are likely more uncomfortable with Sony and Nikon.

Actually, this is NOT unprecedented. Canon did a similar move with the D30. Read what Phil Askey said here:

"Canon really did made life difficult for themselves, they knew full well that they would be judged on success of the D30, they know how important the digital photography market has become and how a camera like the D30 could affect their reputation.

An all Canon body, exposure system, electronics and imaging sensor plus the decision to use CMOS for the first time in a high resolution digital camera was a tough enough task, but to do all that at a price which would undercut the competition?"

I think Canon has reached a similar point in history again with the release of the 5D replacement. Now, whether they'll stand up to the challenge or sink back into the comforts of their past successes (by releasing a 50D body with FF sensor) will surely make or break their reputation forever.

No. They are not dump. The 50D is just an intro to where it will lead. That cameras IQ overcome all competitors gear. D300 is blown of, D700/D3 is old fashioned again (concerning IQ) 5D2 at that sensor technologie will be NO 1 in IQ compared to all available cameras. And affordable. And 1D will follow.

Wow, sounds like you know everything Ralph

Based on your comments and the fact that my camera lacks a direct print button must mean I'm screwed because the gear I'm working with is "old fashioned"

Edited on Sep 07, 2008 at 11:17 PM

Sep 07, 2008 at 11:15 PM

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p.40 #17 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

Two features that would push the 5DII way ahead of the D700:

(1) Built-in memory (16GB or more)
(2) Built-in grip

If these two features were offered, along with what people are already speculating about the 5DII, it will be an absolute no-brainer. Something gells me we won't see either of these two features. Is anybody else interested in seeing these?

Edited by guardian on Sep 09, 2008 at 08:45 AM GMT

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Sep 08, 2008 at 12:19 AM

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p.40 #18 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

Ralph Conway wrote:

@ dcmiller:
I do not think so. The 5D successor can not fail against Nikons D700/D3. The new sony will be relaesed under Nikons D700s price and it will have doubble resolution. Nikon uses their sensor. So they will have to offertheir D4 much below their D3 price. I see not how that should work.

Ralph

Canon has the 1D3 to match up against the D700. The 5D successor, by definition, will not have the highest end AF. But it will be better than the D3/D700 in file quality. How the photo looks is still important to a few people.

Canon could have a 3D camera for us. But that's not a 5D successor.

For you doom and gloomers, have you worked with files from the current 1 series? Do you know how small of an area Nikon's AF focus points are grouped together? Nikon certainly still doesn't match up against Canon in important areas.

There is good reason that some people are better suited to how Nikon has its products positioned. This was going to happen sooner or later. Thank goodness it did. For Canon to still charge $7500 for a camera body it's going to have to be one heck of a camera.

Sep 08, 2008 at 12:19 AM

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p.40 #19 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

Please don't start new threads for this kind of stuff. Please look around and notice the pinned thread at the top of the forum, which where to post this wishlist.

Sep 08, 2008 at 12:36 AM

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p.40 #20 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

I think it's valid because it brings up two features that are rarely talked about, and not just restricted to the release of the 50D. I'm asking if people would be interested in seeing more built-in grips, or seeing the possibility of internal memory.

Sep 08, 2008 at 12:38 AM

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p.40 #21 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

I wouldn't want either of these features. I much prefer being able to remove the memory and have it downloading while I keep shooting with a fresh memory card in the camera. I wouldn't want the camera to be tied up by a full internal memory, so that I couldn't shoot more photos without first clearing up space. As for built in grips, I have two bodies with (1DII) and two without (5D, 20D). I have the grips for the "withouts", but rarely use them. The smaller body size is great for travel and backup.

Sep 08, 2008 at 12:53 AM

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p.40 #22 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

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I wouldn't want either of these features. I much prefer being able to remove the memory and have it downloading while I keep shooting with a fresh memory card in the camera. I wouldn't want the camera to be tied up by a full internal memory, so that I couldn't shoot more photos without first clearing up space. As for built in grips, I have two bodies with (1DII) and two without (5D, 20D). I have the grips for the "withouts", but rarely use them. The smaller body size is great for travel and backup.

Exactly. OP, the D700 is largely a D3 that was implemented without the built-in grip, and is preferred by many for that feature-- smaller size. So a built-in grip wouldn't push the 5DII ahead of the D700, as it is not really a lack in the latter camera. Instead, the 5DII would just implement a different form factor.

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Sep 08, 2008 at 01:00 AM

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p.40 #23 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

Given the hysteria around here, just releasing the dam camera would push it ahead of Nikon and send the forum into meltdown.

Sep 08, 2008 at 01:06 AM

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p.40 #24 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

Pixel Perfect wrote:
Given the hysteria around here, just releasing the dam camera would push it ahead of Nikon and send the forum into meltdown.

lets hope so!

Sep 08, 2008 at 01:07 AM

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p.40 #25 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

You know what I'd love to see, but probably won't? 1.6x crop sRaw mode at 8-10 MP with the crop lines marked in the viewfinder. Two cameras in one. Though I guess I could just buy a focus screen with said crop lines and crop myself... Or just frame loose...
The rumoured camera sounds fantastic to me... AF is irrelevant as I only use one AF lens. As long as it's accurate, I'm happy. Speed and a million points are not important. I'd like the mirror swing to have a smaller arc, but I doubt too much thought has gone into this. I'd also like a good viewfinder, though the 5D's is adequate with a good screen. Price is the next issue. I sold my 5D last week for I guess around $1550 US, which is not significantly less than you can get them new online from HK. If this camera at ~21MP sells for about what I originally paid for my 5D 12 months ago - $US 2500 or so, I guess - I'll be buying it.
I also hope that it takes my EE-S screen, as I've had it custom brightened, and it's a fairly expensive process. I suspect it will.

Sep 08, 2008 at 01:16 AM


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