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p.39 #1 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

Beni wrote:
How many 'C' modes does the 50D have? Just wondering what to expect on a 5D mkII.

The 50D has 2, whereas the 40D had 3. The 40D/50D has all the programmed mode that the 5D2 should not have so Canon could add 2 to 8 'C' modes in theory (The 5D has only one). I would be happy with 3. And BTW, with the C modes, no more need of the MLU button, just program MLU to one of the C modes.

Sep 07, 2008 at 01:37 PM

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Beni wrote:
How many 'C' modes does the 50D have? Just wondering what to expect on a 5D mkII.

I think I did read somewhere the 50D has two.

Sep 07, 2008 at 01:53 PM

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p.39 #3 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

All the prices are OUT? See>
http://www.muller-photo-service.fr/boutique/appareils-photo-c-1_3.html?osCsid=a45a6cd1c5a0f76dcbe7394ddbc5b713

D700=A900=2490 Euro
7D=2990 Euro

Sep 07, 2008 at 03:07 PM

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RDKirk wrote:
Marcus Watts wrote:
If the 5D is announced this month when can we expect them to be available.

Given Canon's past performance, if it's announced this month you can expect it to start shipping in October, no later than December.

It is /was likely planned for immediate release. With no firmware snafu I would guess the first ones will arrive the first week of Oct.

The reviewers don't seem to have cameras. I expect if it annouced next week the new model will be given to reviewers next week.

The 50D is obviously a push for Canon. Announcing it early seems to suggest they wanted to slow Nikon momentum and get in fron of Sony. The 5D is a year overdue. The 50D user interface/features was likely developed for the 5D replacement.

I still see the 5DII as a FF 50D with photosites large enough to do one more stop of sensitivity. So ~20mp and ~5fps, or maybe they can go as high as ~25mp and ~4 fps. I'm guessing ISO25600 is a design goal. ISO25600 with max mp possible. Canon is probably uncomfortable with these specs considering the 1DsIII. But they are likely more uncomfortable with Sony and Nikon.

Sep 07, 2008 at 03:07 PM

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Sep 07, 2008 at 03:09 PM

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dcmiller wrote:
KOJI wrote:
All the prices are OUT? See>
http://www.muller-photo-service.fr/boutique/appareils-photo-c-1_3.html?osCsid=a45a6cd1c5a0f76dcbe7394ddbc5b713

D700=A900=2490 Euro
7D=2990 Euro

He's just having fun guessing. And getting hits.

Definitely. They state the Nikon D4 is the 2nd best selling item... yeah right.

Sep 07, 2008 at 03:22 PM

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dcmiller wrote:
Canon is probably uncomfortable with these specs considering the 1DsIII. But they are likely more uncomfortable with Sony and Nikon.

Actually, this is NOT unprecedented. Canon did a similar move with the D30. Read what Phil Askey said here:

"Canon really did made life difficult for themselves, they knew full well that they would be judged on success of the D30, they know how important the digital photography market has become and how a camera like the D30 could affect their reputation.

An all Canon body, exposure system, electronics and imaging sensor plus the decision to use CMOS for the first time in a high resolution digital camera was a tough enough task, but to do all that at a price which would undercut the competition?"

I think Canon has reached a similar point in history again with the release of the 5D replacement. Now, whether they'll stand up to the challenge or sink back into the comforts of their past successes (by releasing a 50D body with FF sensor) will surely make or break their reputation forever.

Sep 07, 2008 at 03:45 PM

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Beni wrote:
That's the thing though. There is no 17-40L, the 17-35 may be faster but it's double the price and I like that extra 5mm, I don't need f2.8 for that focal length. There is no USM 85mm 1.8, I use every drop of that USM focus speed, the 24-70 is a whole lot more expensive and there is nothing close to the 70-200 f4L IS, even the more expensive f2.8 VR is said to suck on FF anyway.

Exactly why I can't give switching any serious thought. Plus there's no 35 f/1.4 (not an AF model anyway), which right now is my favorite lens. And no 24-105 f/4 IS, which is quickly becoming my default walk-around lens for casual use. Higher cost on equivalent Nikon lenses and holes in their lens lineup means I'm "stuck" with Canon for the foreseeable future. Not exactly a hardship, but Canon can do better on the body side.

Sep 07, 2008 at 03:48 PM

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p.39 #9 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

dcmiller wrote:
KOJI wrote:
All the prices are OUT? See>
http://www.muller-photo-service.fr/boutique/appareils-photo-c-1_3.html?osCsid=a45a6cd1c5a0f76dcbe7394ddbc5b713

D700=A900=2490 Euro
7D=2990 Euro

He's just having fun guessing. And getting hits.

Getting A LOT of hits and free promotion, thanks to forums like this.

Sep 07, 2008 at 03:52 PM

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p.39 #10 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

thw2 wrote:
dcmiller wrote:
Canon is probably uncomfortable with these specs considering the 1DsIII. But they are likely more uncomfortable with Sony and Nikon.

Actually, this is NOT unprecedented. Canon did a similar move with the D30. Read what Phil Askey said here:

"Canon really did made life difficult for themselves, they knew full well that they would be judged on success of the D30, they know how important the digital photography market has become and how a camera like the D30 could affect their reputation.

An all Canon body, exposure system, electronics and imaging sensor plus the decision to use CMOS for the first time in a high resolution digital camera was a tough enough task, but to do all that at a price which would undercut the competition?"

I think Canon has reached a similar point in history again with the release of the 5D replacement. Now, whether they'll stand up to the challenge or sink back into the comforts of their past successes (by releasing a 50D body with FF sensor) will surely make or break their reputation forever.

Forever in the electronics world is like...... 6 months.

My bet is that the 3D is not ready. I think they have to do it, but it will be next year.

I think a "50D 5DII" will be well recieved. But the days of Canon being universally better than Nikon on the higher end are over. There's nothing shocking about this change. The previous situation was unusual.

Sep 07, 2008 at 04:06 PM

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p.39 #11 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

dcmiller wrote:
I think a "50D 5DII" will be well recieved. But the days of Canon being universally better than Nikon on the higher end are over. There's nothing shocking about this change. The previous situation was unusual.

Agreed. From a features point of view, Canon is seriously lagging. They can't even get some of their basics right, e.g. autofocus accuracy. If they do nothing to reverse the situation, many folks will have lost confidence in them. Then again, the same thing happened to Nikon 8 years ago... until the D3/D300/D700 were released.

Sep 07, 2008 at 04:15 PM

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thw2 wrote:
dcmiller wrote:
I think a "50D 5DII" will be well recieved. But the days of Canon being universally better than Nikon on the higher end are over. There's nothing shocking about this change. The previous situation was unusual.

Agreed. From a features point of view, Canon is seriously lagging. They can't even get some of their basics right, e.g. autofocus accuracy. If they do nothing to reverse the situation, many folks will have lost confidence in them. Then again, the same thing happened to Nikon 8 years ago... until the D3/D300/D700 were released.

Exactly. Competition is great, isn't it? Luckily for us all, Nikon finally woke up and is fighting back with a vengeance. And thanks to Nikon for pricing their superb new bodies so competitively, Canon is now forced to follow suit .... and they had better not have another AF issue!

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Sep 07, 2008 at 04:26 PM

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p.39 #13 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

thw2 wrote:
dcmiller wrote:
I think a "50D 5DII" will be well recieved. But the days of Canon being universally better than Nikon on the higher end are over. There's nothing shocking about this change. The previous situation was unusual.

Agreed. From a features point of view, Canon is seriously lagging. They can't even get some of their basics right, e.g. autofocus accuracy. If they do nothing to reverse the situation, many folks will have lost confidence in them. Then again, the same thing happened to Nikon 8 years ago... until the D3/D300/D700 were released.

The autofocus problem is not something you can pick as a consistent problem with Canon.

Most of their cameras are fantastic and it was Autofocus superiority that won them such a huge segment of Nikons market in the first place.

Sep 07, 2008 at 05:42 PM

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p.39 #14 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

KOJI wrote:
All the prices are OUT? See>
http://www.muller-photo-service.fr/boutique/appareils-photo-c-1_3.html?osCsid=a45a6cd1c5a0f76dcbe7394ddbc5b713

D700=A900=2490 Euro
7D=2990 Euro

Wouldn't be surpised in the slightest if the release price of the 5D mkII is above the D700, then the apologists will claim that the D700 was more expensive at release without stopping and thinking for a second that the only thing that matters is the price in the shops when I walk in with a charged credit card!

Sep 07, 2008 at 06:02 PM

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p.39 #15 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

Marcus Watts wrote:
thw2 wrote:
dcmiller wrote:
I think a "50D 5DII" will be well recieved. But the days of Canon being universally better than Nikon on the higher end are over. There's nothing shocking about this change. The previous situation was unusual.

Agreed. From a features point of view, Canon is seriously lagging. They can't even get some of their basics right, e.g. autofocus accuracy. If they do nothing to reverse the situation, many folks will have lost confidence in them. Then again, the same thing happened to Nikon 8 years ago... until the D3/D300/D700 were released.

The autofocus problem is not something you can pick as a consistent problem with Canon.

Most of their cameras are fantastic and it was Autofocus superiority that won them such a huge segment of Nikons market in the first place.
I second that- one of the reasons for the AF problem was that the high frame rate was causing the submirror to be in the correct position. If the camera doesn't have a high fps, it wouldn't be a perceivable problem.

Sep 07, 2008 at 06:17 PM

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orangefirefish wrote:
one of the reasons for the AF problem was that the high frame rate was causing the submirror to be in the correct position. If the camera doesn't have a high fps, it wouldn't be a perceivable problem.

so the High Frame Rate was causing the submirror to be in the CORRECT position?

Sep 07, 2008 at 06:26 PM

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Nowhere Man wrote:
orangefirefish wrote:
one of the reasons for the AF problem was that the high frame rate was causing the submirror to be in the correct position. If the camera doesn't have a high fps, it wouldn't be a perceivable problem.

so the High Frame Rate was causing the submirror to be in the CORRECT position?

Yes, the submirror was in the correct position, but the rest of the camera was in the wrong position. So was the photographer.

Sep 07, 2008 at 06:38 PM

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Marcus Watts wrote:
thw2 wrote:
dcmiller wrote:
I think a "50D 5DII" will be well recieved. But the days of Canon being universally better than Nikon on the higher end are over. There's nothing shocking about this change. The previous situation was unusual.

Agreed. From a features point of view, Canon is seriously lagging. They can't even get some of their basics right, e.g. autofocus accuracy. If they do nothing to reverse the situation, many folks will have lost confidence in them. Then again, the same thing happened to Nikon 8 years ago... until the D3/D300/D700 were released.

The autofocus problem is not something you can pick as a consistent problem with Canon.

Most of their cameras are fantastic and it was Autofocus superiority that won them such a huge segment of Nikons market in the first place.
It wasn't the auto focus superiority that won a huge segement of Nikons market, it was the low noise of the Canon sensor versus the Nikon sensor. That's changed since the D3 and the debacle of the iDMKIII.

Sep 07, 2008 at 07:45 PM

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Canon is probably uncomfortable with these specs considering the 1DsIII. But they are likely more uncomfortable with Sony and Nikon.

Of course, any Canon purchased is better for Canon than a Sony or Nikon purchase.

Depending on how the development of components progresses, we should never be surprised when lesser models temporarily leapfrog a "superior" model in some aspect.

One thing that is a surprise to me is that a consumer camera with DIGIC IV was released so soon after the professional cameras with DIGIC III. It may be that the DIGIC division suffered delays couldn't get version IV out before the 1-Series division had to roll out the Mark III's.

Or it could be that the DIGIC division beat a string of deadlines and had version IV ready earlier than anticipated.

Or it could be that Marketing demanded a jump in capabilities that could not be met by DIGIC III, so the DIGIC division worked overtime as well as the xxD and xD divisions to put out something beyond this point of the original Five Year Plan.

A bit of history: Canon was a year from releasing their intended king, the T-90 (manual focusing FD lens system), when Minolta released their ground-breaking autofocusing Maxxum 7. The Maxxum was a perfect example of a "disruptive technology" that threw everyone else's Five Year Plan into the toilet.

The Maxxum 7 instantly obsoleted the T-90. But there was no way Canon could back-build autofocusing into the T-90, nor was there a way they could start from scratch with an entirely new camera technology and put out a professional camera within a year.

Yet, they'd spent oodles of R&D money on the T-90 and had to recoup at least some of it. So they punted. They released the T-90 on schedule--obsolete though it was--and feverishly worked for the next two years on their first EOS camera.

Sep 07, 2008 at 07:47 PM

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Many people go on about what the other manufacturers have to offer and most compare this to a three year old camera that most most people agree is excellent and is still the yard stick to be compared against. Canon have not released the specs of the new camera or cameras and some people are complaining or saying that canon have the edge. Canon make excellent cameras and lenses and Nikon make excellent cameras and lenses. Sony are hot on their heels as are many other very established companies. Please do not vent your fury or lust for a certain company until one makes a body or batch or lenses that meets your needs. Canon meets mine. Nikon meets my friends and Olympus meets my Dads. None are better than the other and none will ever be. Choose a system that works for you and dont complain. If you have to switch then go, dont try and make me feel bad for your decision. I cannot wait for the new offerings, the tasters from Canon dont show snippets of the final offerings because if they did it would be no fun for THEM. Patience is a virtue. Learn it, see what is on offer, make a decision on what meets your needs.

And most of all, stop moaning.

There is more to life than gear.

Look around to what is important to you and revel in it. If its camera gear.....then get a life.

Ken

Sep 07, 2008 at 08:10 PM

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Right on time for Sunday.

Sep 07, 2008 at 08:42 PM

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p.39 #22 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

am i the only one who doesnt want anything higher than 16 mp? makes it hard to deal with files from a wedding.

Sep 07, 2008 at 08:46 PM

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p.39 #23 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

KOJI wrote:
All the prices are OUT? See>
http://www.muller-photo-service.fr/boutique/appareils-photo-c-1_3.html?osCsid=a45a6cd1c5a0f76dcbe7394ddbc5b713

D700=A900=2490 Euro
7D=2990 Euro

Nikon D4=5490,00 €

This is just prevention to be one of the first.
7D will be 2.300

D4 will not be there before february. And it will not be € 3000 more than sony, who delivers the sensor they offer themselves.

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Sep 07, 2008 at 09:00 PM

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Sergio Mottola wrote:
am i the only one who doesnt want anything higher than 16 mp? makes it hard to deal with files from a wedding.

Nope, I'm quite content with 12.7mp on the 5D.

Give me better AF, dyanmic range, and better ISO.

I'll take those over an extra 9mp any day.

Sep 07, 2008 at 09:04 PM

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thw2 wrote:
dcmiller wrote:
I think a "50D 5DII" will be well recieved. But the days of Canon being universally better than Nikon on the higher end are over. There's nothing shocking about this change. The previous situation was unusual.

Agreed. From a features point of view, Canon is seriously lagging. They can't even get some of their basics right, e.g. autofocus accuracy. If they do nothing to reverse the situation, many folks will have lost confidence in them. Then again, the same thing happened to Nikon 8 years ago... until the D3/D300/D700 were released.

That was 1 year to one month ago.

@ dcmiller:
I do not think so. The 5D successor can not fail against Nikons D700/D3. The new sony will be relaesed under Nikons D700s price and it will have doubble resolution. Nikon uses their sensor. So they will have to offertheir D4 much below their D3 price. I see not how that should work.

Ralph

Sep 07, 2008 at 09:08 PM


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