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p.38 #1 · Canon 5DII rumors thread


5D is on the wrong side............obvious fake!

Sep 07, 2008 at 04:41 AM
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brainiac,

Look, obviously you're frazzled from all the opposition shown to your "pop-up flash is better for social photography" viewpoint, so giving you that benefit of the doubt let me clarify to hopefully bring the tone down a notch:

- When I say that I don't find much utility in pop-up flashes, I mean that and nothing else. I do not imply that others should be denied the right to use it PER SE, but if it's a feature that is thrown in instead of other features I find useful then I would rather not have it.

- Canon are very price conscious when spec-ing out new designs--you don't have to believe me--and as such they are the type to skimp on one feature to allow for another, not because they can't afford to but because they've decided ahead of time how much margin they want to make and as such can only fit so many features in there. No, a pop-up flash isn't expensive, but neither is weather sealing. So why are neither in the 5D? That's what I'm trying to say: they're really stingy with their features, and if pop-up flash has to go in favor of weather sealing I'm all for it. You're not? That's fine and you're welcome to that preference.

- Please stop the ad hominem attacks on those who oppose your preference for pop-up flash. It doesn't lend your argument any credibility. Saying that those who would rather not have a pop-up flash are just snobs and are only trying to look professional instead of be professional just adds unnecessary venom to a discussion that should never get anywhere near as personal.

- I've shot weddings and social events for pay, and I prefer dedicated flash over pop-up. The look is more in-line with my preference, and as you've acknowledged this is indeed a matter of preference. I don't like the straight-on flash look of pop-up flash because it flattens out features too much for my taste, and with a flash modifier like the Demb Flip-It I can modify the flash enough to soften the shadows while keeping enough definition there to not flatten out features. To date I have never seen a wedding photographer in action using pop-up flash, and I've seen many. That's not to say that it can't be done, but I don't think I'm going out on a limb when I claim that among pros in this field pop-up flash isn't the preferred method. You're welcome to your methods, but just as a statement of fact I believe the majority of the field would disagree with your preference.

And in a last-ditch effort to add a gentler final note to this post in case my tone is seen as too confrontational (not at all my intention, btw), if I were a Nikon shooter I'd have a D700 right now. Although I wouldn't use the pop-up flash very much, I wouldn't at all bemoan the fact that it has one because it also has all the other features I want. Whether or not the 5DII has a pop-up flash will not in any way sway my decision. It's not what unnecessary (to me) features it has that matters; it's what necessary features it has or doesn't have that will tip the balance.

Sep 07, 2008 at 05:26 AM
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p.38 #3 · Canon 5DII rumors thread


skibum5 wrote:
Tariq Gibran wrote:
Who cares about the camera, I just pray that the tag line is not "Delighting You Always". How stupid is that?


hmmm i think that might be the slogan of that massage parlor right next to the university here that curiously lists hours on the sign pointing to a back alley entrance as open until 2AM....
oh Canon, what ever have you gotten yourself into now.



Well, I just hope the 5DII gives me a happy ending!

Sep 07, 2008 at 05:40 AM
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jamesf99 wrote:
forget that cheap and dirty photoshop'd stuff, here's the real thing.

I had to break my NDA, but what the heck, this thread is full of great stuff....







sorry, no pop up flash...



I could swear that '5D II" badge was written by Danny Torrance. Was that picture taken at the Overlook Hotel?

Sep 07, 2008 at 06:29 AM
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p.38 #5 · Canon 5DII rumors thread


oh dear, a 5Di !!

Sep 07, 2008 at 06:32 AM
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dcmiller wrote:
The analog measurement at each sensor site is subject to noise. A less accurate measurement is going to produce a less good image. Software can only reduce that error by using adjacent pixels. Garbage in Garbage out.

I don't see what 14 bits has to do with it.

And what would be the error in terms of final raw data? Inaccuracy of colors.
However, the D3/D700 have been tested in this regards, and show very good results (200 ISO).
So where stands the difference between a 5D and a D700? The global rendering of the picture, the 5D pleases more the eye... i.e. processing of the raw data, i.e. algorithms implementation, i.e. software.
This is where the 14 bits depth becomes important, stretching the tones being less likely to result in posterization.

The sensor measurement accuracy is, as you say, of course very important. But nowadays they're pretty accurate for that level of DSLR (canon, nikon).
The next step is the raw data processing via complex algorithms, that was, until a couple of years ago, under-estimated.

Edited on Sep 07, 2008 at 07:16 AM


Sep 07, 2008 at 07:14 AM
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Canon should go retro-put a 16.7mp sensor in a F-1 body manual focus,uses FD mount lenses..this would be a hit..I am being serious here..I think it would have a coolness factor right up there with a range finder leica around the neck...
if I had the money I would get my own F-1 or A-1 converted if I had the millions I would creat my own company and do just this...think about the ruggedness factor

Edited on Sep 07, 2008 at 07:18 AM


Sep 07, 2008 at 07:17 AM
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digitalbug30d wrote:
Canon should go retro-put a 16.7mp sensor in a F-1 body manual focus,uses FD mount lenses..this would be a hit..I am being serious here..I think it would have a coolness factor right up there with a range finder leica around the neck...
if I had the money I would get my own F-1 or A-1 converted if I had the millions I would creat my own company and do just this...think about the ruggedness factor


just think of all those cheap FD lenses!
400 2.8 for who knows how little $800 maybe??


Sep 07, 2008 at 07:34 AM
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digitalbug30d wrote:
Canon should go retro-put a 16.7mp sensor in a F-1 body manual focus,uses FD mount lenses..this would be a hit..I am being serious here..I think it would have a coolness factor right up there with a range finder leica around the neck...
if I had the money I would get my own F-1 or A-1 converted if I had the millions I would creat my own company and do just this...think about the ruggedness factor



It would be cool but not a hit. I doubt there are enough in the market that would think the same way. But yes it would be cool for those who did.

I'm thinking that Canon are behind some of the rumour as they were with the 50D. Very smart marketing.

Though unlike the specs for the 50d being on the money i expect the 5D to exceed the rumoured specs. I think Canon want to use the 5D upgrade to make a statement and that statement will be about firmly establishin Nikons recently fading perception of being second best in the digital slr market.

From that perspective expect the 5D to have 24 megapixels on a digic4 chip.

I'm guessing the 5D outsells the 1D's and whereas the higher profit margin covers some of that Nikon is making sure the the days of the high price for the 1D's is about to come to an abrupt end.

So eating into current sales of the 1D's not a problem as most who will own the current model already do.

The next 1d's will follow in early 2009 with 30 megapixels which is the predicted utopia of 35mm digital. It will be at a more reasonable price (thank you Nikon) and many who own the 5D will also find that we can indeed also have a 1D's4

I'm happy for Nikon to do well in order to force such amazing upgrades.

I hope a few more who are weak enough to live in the moment without realising new models will always come, will jump ship to the Nikon camp so Canon will find new ways to attempt to win them back.

And the winners are... Us

Sep 07, 2008 at 07:49 AM
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jamesf99 wrote:








digitalbug30d wrote: what lens is that? its cool

It looks like the FD 85 mm f/1.2 L:

http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/canon/fdresources/fdlenses/85mm.htm


Sep 07, 2008 at 08:02 AM
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roger coen wrote:
5D is on the wrong side............obvious fake!


I am not sure. As far as I remember they did that when I was a school boy. That have been good times. Maybe Canon marketing decided its a good idea to do a kind of design retro as main change.


Sep 07, 2008 at 08:21 AM
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p.38 #12 · Canon 5DII rumors thread


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Edited on Sep 07, 2008 at 10:02 AM


Sep 07, 2008 at 09:11 AM
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jiaxiong hu wrote:
it looks good This image is copyrighted by the owner


Yeah, apart from the “Delighting You Always”-thingy and the same old 5D as a model!

Sep 07, 2008 at 10:59 AM
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p.38 #14 · Canon 5DII rumors thread


if you have a look at the canon china site, Delighting You Always is all over it....

Sep 07, 2008 at 11:17 AM
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Just worked out that switching to Nikon with a couple of D700's to replace my 5D's and the usual other stuff such as lenses, flashes, etc would cost me £3200 after I sold all my rather battered canon gear and that's buying everything but the bodies in the US! Given the price of a D700 at £1750 and the 5D mkII will have to compete (we hope, the 50D is still more expensive than the D300 in the UK) I would have to say that the choice is still between doing nothing or upgrading one of my 5D's. It's all very well to say 'put your money where your mouth is' but that's one heck of a lot of money and I don't really think it's a justifiable business decision when that amount would buy me an upgrade to a 1Ds mkIII almost. Not that I want a 1 series, especially the mkIII versions!

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Sep 07, 2008 at 11:26 AM
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Beni wrote:
Just worked out that switching to Nikon with a couple of D700's to replace my 5D's and the usual other stuff such as lenses, flashes, etc would cost me £3200 after I sold all my rather battered canon gear and that's buying everything but the bodies in the US! Given the price of a D700 at £1750 and the 5D mkII will have to compete (we hope, the 50D is still more expensive than the D300 in the UK) I would have to say that the choice is still between doing nothing or upgrading one of my 5D's. It's all very well to say 'put your money where your mouth is' but that's one heck of a lot of money and I don't really think it's a justifiable business decision when that amount would buy me an upgrade to a 1Ds mkIII almost. Not that I want a 1 series, especially the mkIII versions!


Good thinking, Beni.
Unless one's got money to burn, I believe switching to Nikon at this point doesn't sound very compelling for many of us even if the 5DMkII ends up being "merely" a full-frame 50D. Not the end of the world, I'd say.


Sep 07, 2008 at 11:34 AM
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MickyD wrote:
if you have a look at the canon china site, Delighting You Always is all over it....


Ahh, thanks! YUCK!

Sep 07, 2008 at 11:38 AM
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Went through the same thought process .... could have made the switch with an investment as well. Ended up buying a 1D Mk III refurb for about the same as a D700 .. or what we're probably going to pay for a Canon version of a D700. I'm figuring I'll use this for a while and see what comes out. Most logical is a 5D replacement at around $2,300 USD ... an entry level FF, just as the 5D is .... err was .... a FF 50D. Wait 6 months and I can grab one as second body for around $2,000 ... what I would have "invested" to change to Nikon. If we see a "3D" to compete with the D700 ... small pro grade body, I can pass on the "7D", give it 6 months for prices to settle down reviews to get done, then sell the Mk III and buy one of these if I like what I'm reading and seeing.



Beni wrote:
Just worked out that switching to Nikon with a couple of D700's to replace my 5D's and the usual other stuff such as lenses, flashes, etc would cost me £3200 after I sold all my rather battered canon gear and that's buying everything but the bodies in the US! Given the price of a D700 at £1750 and the 5D mkII will have to compete (we hope, the 50D is still more expensive than the D300 in the UK) I would have to say that the choice is still between doing nothing or upgrading one of my 5D's. It's all very well to say 'put your money where your mouth is' but that's one heck of a lot of money and I don't really think it's a justifiable business decision when that amount would buy me an upgrade to a 1Ds mkIII almost. Not that I want a 1 series, especially the mkIII versions!



Sep 07, 2008 at 11:39 AM
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p.38 #19 · Canon 5DII rumors thread


My investment in Canon glass is looking better and better.

Sep 07, 2008 at 11:47 AM
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That's the thing though. There is no 17-40L, the 17-35 may be faster but it's double the price and I like that extra 5mm, I don't need f2.8 for that focal length. There is no USM 85mm 1.8, I use every drop of that USM focus speed, the 24-70 is a whole lot more expensive and there is nothing close to the 70-200 f4L IS, even the more expensive f2.8 VR is said to suck on FF anyway.

Like a lot of people I think that nothing will happen for me pre January when the Nikon Canon price wars over the 5DmkII/D700 will have calmed down, we have seen if the AF is actually working and the initial camera niggles have been fixed and then see about buying one. I paid £2500 for my 5D's a long time ago, the D700 is now almost half that and I hope the 5D mkII will compete for price, it certainly means that I could afford to upgrade one of my 5D's. Whether I'll bother or not is another question which will be left to canon to pursuade me. Even now I'm pondering using more primes to get the best AF experience with my 5D's rather than swopping the 24-70 I've given up on for the slower, nasty bokeh and distortion full 24-105L.

Edited by Beni on Sep 07, 2008 at 12:13 PM GMT

Edited on Sep 07, 2008 at 12:13 PM


Sep 07, 2008 at 11:55 AM
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Cableaddict wrote:

Well, I just hope the 5DII gives me a happy ending!


I see what you did there.


Sep 07, 2008 at 12:06 PM
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How many 'C' modes does the 50D have? Just wondering what to expect on a 5D mkII.

Sep 07, 2008 at 12:40 PM
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If the 5D is announced this month when can we expect them to be available.

Sep 07, 2008 at 01:12 PM
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MickyD wrote:
if you have a look at the canon china site, Delighting You Always is all over it....


Right. It has an Asian kind of flavor, at this point in the first decade of the 21st century. Don't expect it for an international marketing ploy.


Sep 07, 2008 at 01:16 PM
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Marcus Watts wrote:
If the 5D is announced this month when can we expect them to be available.


Given Canon's past performance, if it's announced this month you can expect it to start shipping in October, no later than December.

Sep 07, 2008 at 01:17 PM

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