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p.19 #1 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

I disagree with this. Of course they are interested, as the USA is the world's largest consumer market. Camera manufacturers are no different to car manufacturers, and there is a reason why Toyota is #1 .... because they make cars that Americans want. Feedback from Canon USA is therefore vital information for the Canon management in Tokyo.

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But no one should believe that Canon Japan is particularly interested in what Canon USA thinks.

Edited on Sep 04, 2008 at 06:10 PM

Sep 04, 2008 at 06:09 PM

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p.19 #2 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

And here is the Nikon D4, announced on the web site of a French dealer :

http://www.muller-photo-service.fr/boutique/nikon-boitier-p-1922-1_3.html

Preordering, available in 30 days. 5490€
Will be announced at Photokina
Upgrade from D3
FX 25mp
6fps

Sep 04, 2008 at 06:17 PM

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p.19 #3 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

The camera will not have a pro-body similar AF to the 5D and no video 1 sotp better ISO performance than the 50D.

Sep 04, 2008 at 06:29 PM

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p.19 #4 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

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The camera will not have a pro-body similar AF to the 5D and no video 1 sotp better ISO performance than the 50D.

OK, sound really good so far (about what I expected). Big question: price?

Sep 04, 2008 at 06:33 PM

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p.19 #5 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

Similar AF as the current 5D? I had hopes for a better AF.

Sep 04, 2008 at 06:51 PM

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p.19 #6 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

Fred Relaix wrote:
And here is the Nikon D4, announced on the web site of a French dealer :

http://www.muller-photo-service.fr/boutique/nikon-boitier-p-1922-1_3.html

Preordering, available in 30 days. 5490€
Will be announced at Photokina
Upgrade from D3
FX 25mp
6fps

Now, if that is for real, the last bastion of Canon's camera superiority will crumble: megapixels.

Sep 04, 2008 at 06:54 PM

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PetKal wrote:
Fred Relaix wrote:
And here is the Nikon D4, announced on the web site of a French dealer :

http://www.muller-photo-service.fr/boutique/nikon-boitier-p-1922-1_3.html

Preordering, available in 30 days. 5490€
Will be announced at Photokina
Upgrade from D3
FX 25mp
6fps

Now, if that is for real, the last bastion of Canon's camera superiority will crumble: megapixels.

Megapixels

Wait a minute. I thought Canon was the AF leader. Have I been mistaken all this time?

Actually, I'm not so sure that French site isn't just speculating, unless they got permission to pull a "whoops!" out of their behind.

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Sep 04, 2008 at 07:24 PM

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lexvo wrote:
Similar AF as the current 5D? I had hopes for a better AF.

Same - so that you can AF in ISO 12800 light conditions

Sep 04, 2008 at 07:48 PM

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crivera wrote:
The camera will not have a pro-body similar AF to the 5D and no video 1 sotp better ISO performance than the 50D.

Are you absolutely sure there is no video? I was really excited about the video feature

Sep 04, 2008 at 08:19 PM

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p.19 #11 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

True .... and that is because they had no competition. Nikon (finally) caught them with the pants down and Canon does not have time to respond or react, but I am sure they are switching gears and we will see more competitive products from Canon .... starting with Photokina.

jamesf99 wrote:

Feedback from Canon USA is why the prices have been as high as they are....

My biggest complaint with Canon may start to go away in the next month, i.e., the lack of value in their products.....

Sep 04, 2008 at 08:48 PM

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p.19 #12 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

jamesf99 wrote:

My biggest complaint with Canon may start to go away in the next month, i.e., the lack of value in their products.....

200/2 on sale for $1999 ???

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Sep 04, 2008 at 09:36 PM

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p.19 #13 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

Congrats, Fred Relaix succeeded to import Mr Müller speculations/self amusement to FM Forum

We, French photo forum users all know Mr Müller for his strange sense of humour, for years, featuring various cameras like the 7D at a realistic price (or not, but you should know this guy, he's wierd!) http://www.muller-photo-service.fr/boutique/canon-boitier-p-2431-1_3.html on his commercial website, it's even possible to add it to your cart, all things wich could send him to the court in the U.S, but here in France it's just a funny idea...................

By the way I went to his shop in person some years ago and bought 2 lenses (he was the sole employee of his business) and he's so wierd, but now he's got his moment of fame on FM!

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Sep 04, 2008 at 09:36 PM

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p.19 #14 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

Are we talking about the D4, a900, or 5D?

And who is this french retailer? Can he get me a good price on the 5D II?

Je suis très troublé.

Sep 04, 2008 at 09:41 PM

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p.19 #15 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

I told you, he's wierd!
He CAN get some good infos from canon reps, and doesn't hesitate to break NDA, sometimes his speculations are good, sometimes no, he just removes the funny item from his website, et voila!
20 years ago, he was already selling official Sony gear at a much lower price than official MRSP, when "suggested" were actually "ordered" by the manufacturer, got problems but it didn't stop his low cost business. He is/was a kind of pioneer in the discount/low cost photo gear business in France.
Note, if you want to buy his 7D, read the bottom of the page:

Ce produit a été ajouté à notre catalogue le lundi 30 juin, 2008.
Sur Commande Produit sur commande délai (90 jours)

product added to our catalogue on Jun 30th
Product on back order, allow 90 days delay...............

Sep 04, 2008 at 09:51 PM

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p.19 #16 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

bobbytan wrote:
there is a reason why Toyota is #1 .... because they make cars that Americans want.

Let me guess, big flashy chrome trimmings, sharp angles, fake wood panelling everywhere!

Sep 04, 2008 at 09:57 PM

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p.19 #17 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

andrewd01 wrote:
bobbytan wrote:
there is a reason why Toyota is #1 .... because they make cars that Americans want.

Let me guess, big flashy chrome trimmings, sharp angles, fake wood panelling everywhere!

Wrong! It's the real-time GPS, bluetooth speaker phone, iPod link, and 400 horses of power!

Sep 04, 2008 at 10:08 PM

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p.19 #18 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

Canon USA probably reads part of the forum. The poor bastards. But no one should believe that Canon Japan is particularly interested in what Canon USA thinks.

This has been demonstrated.

If you've been following Chuck Westfall (Canon USA director of technical media communications) over the years, you'll see him hint rather broadly that Canon Inc doesn't even tell Canon USA what they're planning, much less listen to what Canon USA has to say. Westfall can't even get technical information from Canon Inc about current products--he and his staff have to do their own testing and evaluations.

It's been reported that Westfall got his hand slapped for slipping news of the 40D to Rob Galbraith about 24hrs ahead of time. Nobody else in Canon or any other camera company is as open with the public as Westfall is. Who else has a monthly online question and answer column, for instance?

Then there was the 20D power error debacle. USA and Europe users were complaining for months about problems with 20D power circuits, totally ignored by Canon Inc. It wasn't until Japanese users started complaining that Canon Inc not only paid attention--and within hours profusely apologized, recalled affected cameras, and replaced them. The Japanese language version of the apology said "we're sorry" no less than three times. But until Japanese customers started complaining, Canon Inc turned a deaf ear.

Sep 04, 2008 at 10:59 PM

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p.19 #19 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

interesting...if accurate, the price in us dollars is about $7800...so much for the claims that a nikon megapixel camera would be priced substantially below the 1ds3...if this "pre" ad is accurate, i'll admit to being a little disappointed as i was intrigued by the talk of a modular camera that had been the subject of discussion for the past year or so..

Sep 04, 2008 at 11:58 PM

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bka20d wrote:

interesting...if accurate, the price in us dollars is about $7800...so much for the claims that a nikon megapixel camera would be priced substantially below the 1ds3...if this "pre" ad is accurate, i'll admit to being a little disappointed as i was intrigued by the talk of a modular camera that had been the subject of discussion for the past year or so..

But it doesn't work that way. 5490 euros may well be about $7800, but look at the D700.
They're selling it for 2490 euros (about $3900), where it sells State side for $2999.
So it may well be in the $6000 range.
If of course it is what everyone assumes it to be.
They have the 7D listed as well for 2999 Euros...

Edited on Sep 05, 2008 at 12:14 AM

Sep 05, 2008 at 12:13 AM

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p.19 #21 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

Sean Mills wrote:
bka20d wrote:

interesting...if accurate, the price in us dollars is about $7800...so much for the claims that a nikon megapixel camera would be priced substantially below the 1ds3...if this "pre" ad is accurate, i'll admit to being a little disappointed as i was intrigued by the talk of a modular camera that had been the subject of discussion for the past year or so..

But it doesn't work that way. 5490 euros may well be about $7800, but look at the D700.
They're selling it for 2490 euros (about $3900), where it sells State side for $2999.
So it may well be in the $6000 range.
If of course it is what everyone assumes it to be.
They have the 7D listed as well for 2999 Euros...
i guess we will have to wait and see...as you figured i just did the conversion.. and forgot about the potential additional costs that often account for the pricing differentials between us and overseas markets...

Sep 05, 2008 at 12:34 AM

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p.19 #22 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

I worked for the Noritsu America Corp for 6 years (the worlds largest manufacturer of photofinishing equipment) I can assure that the Japanese had very little respect for there american counterparts. When one of the guys I worked with started learning Japanese he was told by his japanese superiors that if he learned japanese he would be terminated.
We had a situation where we worked on a new high speed photo printer for a week trying to fix a problem with inconsistent color we couldn't figure it out, so finally we ordered a $30,000 CPU rack for the machine. That night we got a call from an anonymous japanese technician explaining that the problem was the negatives were getting to hot in the gate because of the high intensity lamp. He told us to go to a pet store and buy a fish tank bubble pump and run a hose up under the negative gate and it would cure the problem. The bottom line was they knew there was a problem all along but wouldn't tell us until we ordered alot of expensive parts because they didn't want to admit to an error in design.
Even though we worked for the manufacturer we were always very limited as to the information given to us about the machines we were working on. We were simply told to change parts but couldn't get schematics so that we could actually troubleshoot a problem. If we asked a question of japanese technicians with regard to a new piece of equipment the discussions on there end were not about the ansewer but about how much the americans needed to know to do there job. All very frustrating.

Sep 05, 2008 at 12:41 AM

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p.19 #23 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

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Why would a 7D have better specs than a 5D? That would make no sense.

It might have a better sensor, for example a low-voltage low-noise sensor, and more features. Making the point that higher res is not always better.

Edit: The 1D mk3 also has, at the time of its release, as well as now, a lower resolution than the 5D, but also a lower-number name.

Yes, but that's not how the numbering works - a 7 series is a lesser series than a 5 series, is a lesser series than a 3 series, is a lesser series than a 1 series.

There may well be a 7D released, but the 5D name will live on in a new model too and a 5D will always be a better camera than a 7D, otherwise they should just have random names.

Sep 05, 2008 at 01:06 AM

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bobbytan wrote:
I disagree with this. Of course they are interested, as the USA is the world's largest consumer market. Camera manufacturers are no different to car manufacturers, and there is a reason why Toyota is #1 .... because they make cars that Americans want. Feedback from Canon USA is therefore vital information for the Canon management in Tokyo.

dcmiller wrote:

But no one should believe that Canon Japan is particularly interested in what Canon USA thinks.

Thats american thinking. Sorry I do not omit. DSLR Camera sales in 2006 where 50% in Europe 20% in USA and 30% in the rest of the world as far I remeber. Your market is so small that you are delivered at 25% less, we have to pay here. Even your average income is still higher, then for exampel in germany abd you have some 50% more people Canon sold more cameras in gernaby than in US.

Your mentioned company Toyota sells only 32% into US and became No 1?
Correct me if I am wrong.

Edited by Ralph Conway on Sep 05, 2008 at 04:16 AM GMT

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p.19 #25 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

Canon USA probably reads part of the forum. The poor bastards. But no one should believe that Canon Japan is particularly interested in what Canon USA thinks.

When I was responsible for video apps of Commodore Amiga in germany we made 47% of the world market. UK did another 27, USA did 6% and Japan another three. When I recieved the newest Amica 3000 computer we could not sell one of them. Because it only supported NTSC video to safe $ 3 on Sonys videochip. When the general manager asked his head of development after I sayd "NO GO" he mentioned that PAL is a unique german video standard. It was world standard 16 years ago. They blew of their market chances because of saving 3$ each machine and ignoring 91% of their market.

I think its not very different today. Except japanese companies try to fullfill their customers needs. You will never hear "We are sorry" from them. But they give us in main, what we want.

Edited by Ralph Conway on Sep 05, 2008 at 03:49 AM GMT

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