Ben Horne wrote:
I agree with your post. There are so many prissy little people on this forum that just bitch and moan about these cameras that it's getting REALLY old, REALLY fast. I don't think half these people even know how to take a good picture. They have an assumption that the camera is not good enough for them, yet the Canon 1DsIII is somehow way overpriced --- and it isn't good enough either. Maybe they just need to sell their car, house, and all posessions, then buy a hasselblad digital. I have a feeling that would not be good enough for these special people either. "Like, OMG, the Hassy doesn't shoot at 6FPS? I'm, like totally going to call my BFF about this."
Better yet, maybe they should start their own camera company. Soon, Canons and Nikons will meet their real competitors --- The UncleBob D-Infinity with a stunning Infinity megapixels, Infinity focus points, and a special cat face finder mode. It also has hover mode so it will fly into the air and shoot photos for you! That's right, the UncleBob D-Infinity will take those precious cat photos while you're chugging down a Mr. Pibb and a bag of cheetos....Show more →
I'm happy and thrilled Canon came out with a new 50d so soon. It will no doubt be a great camera for many. I think the only shortcoming that I and many others are trying to express is the lack of a pro-level AF. Why do we "whine" about such a shortcoming? Because it exists in the competition. For me, someone who uses AF 99% of the time, my priorities are tied between AF and IQ. A noise-free out of focus picture...does nothing for me. That said, I have learned to work with the AF of the Canon's and I definitely feel I am the limiting factor. It would just be nice to get a higher rate of keepers for pictures of young children running around without resorting to prefocusing... or a large 1-series body. So for those "whining" about the "whiners" realize that this is the "gear" section, and is thus perfect for those of us who are members of "Gearheads Anonymous."
As 'rwalls3' suggests above, the fact that Canon $hit-canned a perfectly good, years-old AF technology that they could have 'trickled-down' to the prosumer cameras is mind-numbingly questionable.
timnosenzo wrote:
Same could be said for the Canon loyalists who think Canon can do no wrong...
I sure hope you're not accusing me of being a Canon Loyalist. I'd be shooting a D3X right now if it was released this past spring. Instead, I ended up buying the 1DsIII just because it was the only high res 35mm format body on the market.
Edited by Ben Horne on Aug 26, 2008 at 08:47 AM GMT
Edited by Ben Horne on Aug 26, 2008 at 09:23 AM GMT
rwalls3 wrote:
So for those "whining" about the "whiners" realize that this is the "gear" section
Used to be that we shared our knowledge about existing gear in the gear section. Now all everybody seems to do is share their disgust about non-existing gear. Personally, I preferred the "old" Canon section, but I might be getting old myself.
Jeff wrote:
As 'rwalls3' suggests above, the fact that Canon $hit-canned a perfectly good, years-old AF technology that they could have 'trickled-down' to the prosumer cameras is mind-numbingly questionable.
Are you referring to the mk3 AF, or the improved mk2 version?
i find some of their literature on the 50D rather interesting. one excerpt:
"Canon is taking steps to give advanced amateurs more flexibility with a new "CA" Creative Full Auto setting on the EOS 50D Digital SLR camera's mode dial. This new setting goes a step beyond Full Auto, by allowing users to make adjustments before shooting while still in an Automatic mode, without needing to know the meaning of technical terms such as aperture, shutter speed, etc."
let me cut to the quick of this statement:
"Canon is taking steps to give advanced amateurs... an Automatic mode... without needing to know the meaning of technical terms such as aperture, shutter speed, etc."
abam wrote:
i find some of their literature on the 50D rather interesting. one excerpt:
"Canon is taking steps to give advanced amateurs more flexibility with a new "CA" Creative Full Auto setting on the EOS 50D Digital SLR camera's mode dial. This new setting goes a step beyond Full Auto, by allowing users to make adjustments before shooting while still in an Automatic mode, without needing to know the meaning of technical terms such as aperture, shutter speed, etc."
let me cut to the quick of this statement:
"Canon is taking steps to give advanced amateurs... an Automatic mode... without needing to know the meaning of technical terms such as aperture, shutter speed, etc."
I think Nikon has implemented a similar feature in their D40 series. This is what they say about it:
New advanced help menu system with assist images: The D40's newly introduced "assist images" help you select the appropriate settings for many camera features by showing an example image typical of that setting as well as an advanced help menu for the current item selected. The D40's question mark icon (?) indicates that help is available for the currently selected item. Just press the help button beside the LCD monitor to see a context sensitive help page.
The implementation is different but the idea seems similar.
jscoby05, i am in total agreement with you. all the canon forums around the net, fredmiranda, dpreview, etc, etc. so many complainers. its unbelievable. a quick search on flickr by camera will show amazing photos from the 1Ds3 to 300D.
Forums are becoming completely unusable and just full of loud-mouth whiners.
I wish there existed an highly moderated forum without "rumor" threads and constant complaining about how someone's new camera didn't make into ansel adams.
Don't see any posts about the 50D not being good enough for what it is or that it isn't a 1 series. See a lot of complaints that Canon have released a camera at the same price point as the D300 but with lesser features. Seems fair to me. On the other hand the fanboyism on this forum is what sets it apart from real photographers, the ones who buy the best tool and to hell with what name is on the front. It's what seperates the pro's from the amatuers, especially those amatuers who keep screaming 'go out and take photos' while pros are shooting more in a day than they shoot in a month.
PEOPLE that are complaining all the time when they find time to take some pictures??ALL that they are doing is complaining!!! I BET that if they'll have the chance to shoot 30 minute with a D300 AND look after that on the screen of PC and to see the softness from the pictures taken with D300 ,they'll love more their CANON gear!!!!! JUST TRY IT!!!
I think Nikon has implemented a similar feature in their D40 series. This is what they say about it:
New advanced help menu system with assist images: The D40's newly introduced "assist images" help you select the appropriate settings for many camera features by showing an example image typical of that setting as well as an advanced help menu for the current item selected. The D40's question mark icon (?) indicates that help is available for the currently selected item. Just press the help button beside the LCD monitor to see a context sensitive help page.
The implementation is different but the idea seems similar....Show more →
interesting. i simply found it odd that canon seems to be saying you can buy your way up in skill level ("advanced amateur" is an unofficial skill title one metaphysically earns, "buyer of nice camera" is not), and that knowing the absolute basics of photography (e.g., the mere definitions of "aperture," "shutter speed") are not requirements to consider yourself an "advanced" photographer.
enough of this red bull. i'm going out to shoot some pictures.
gabimaster wrote:
PEOPLE that are complaining all the time when they find time to take some pictures??ALL that they are doing is complaining!!! I BET that if they'll have the chance to shoot 30 minute with a D300 AND look after that on the screen of PC and to see the softness from the pictures taken with D300 ,they'll love more their CANON gear!!!!! JUST TRY IT!!!
I have FM on one screen and ACR editing 1200 photos from the last wedding on the other. I'm a pro wedding shooter, I sit processing and making up albums half the week while shooting thousands of money making frames the other half! I'm actually having a weeks vacation at present, everyone is away on holiday so no weddings for me, 3 next week, 2 and a barmitzva the week after.
Ben Horne wrote:
I agree with your post. There are so many prissy little people on this forum that just bitch and moan about these cameras that it's getting REALLY old, REALLY fast. I don't think half these people even know how to take a good picture. They have an assumption that the camera is not good enough for them, yet the Canon 1DsIII is somehow way overpriced --- and it isn't good enough either. Maybe they just need to sell their car, house, and all posessions, then buy a hasselblad digital. I have a feeling that would not be good enough for these special people either. "Like, OMG, the Hassy doesn't shoot at 6FPS? I'm, like totally going to call my BFF about this."
Better yet, maybe they should start their own camera company. Soon, Canons and Nikons will meet their real competitors --- The UncleBob D-Infinity with a stunning Infinity megapixels, Infinity focus points, and a special cat face finder mode. It also has hover mode so it will fly into the air and shoot photos for you! That's right, the UncleBob D-Infinity will take those precious cat photos while you're chugging down a Mr. Pibb and a bag of cheetos....Show more →
Gee..give the OP a break. He's pointing out some good info and YOU jump him and call him a whiner? What? is dpreview.com finally kicking some guys out so you came to this board.
Respond with facts (like the OP) not name calling. He's right and he made point with facts....not 'nyah! nyah! you stink!'.
I am happy with my 5d and think the 50d is a nice bump on the 40d and is a nice price point competitor to Nikons mid-range consumer camera's (or Sony's Oly's and others).
Kick back and take some more photos....
Jay
(and yeah, I don't have many posts on this board..so what?)
undrpsi wrote:
Gee..give the OP a break. He's pointing out some good info and YOU jump him and call him a whiner? What? is dpreview.com finally kicking some guys out so you came to this board.
Respond with facts (like the OP) not name calling. He's right and he made point with facts....not 'nyah! nyah! you stink!'.
I am happy with my 5d and think the 50d is a nice bump on the 40d and is a nice price point competitor to Nikons mid-range consumer camera's (or Sony's Oly's and others).
Kick back and take some more photos....
Jay
(and yeah, I don't have many posts on this board..so what?)
Yes becuase we are FM.com loyalists who knew what it was like in the good ol days. When we could check the gear forum and actually learn why there is a square hole behind the 17-40L rather than a circular one, or learn what that little slot in every camera grip does (holding your battery cover) and other interesting things like that, or even see a comparison between a circular polarizer and a linear one and see what difference that makes. Not listen to people bitch about how soft their 85L is or why Canon is a failure a life.
Ben Horne wrote:
Better yet, maybe they should start their own camera company. Soon, Canons and Nikons will meet their real competitors --- The UncleBob D-Infinity with a stunning Infinity megapixels, Infinity focus points, and a special cat face finder mode. It also has hover mode so it will fly into the air and shoot photos for you! That's right, the UncleBob D-Infinity will take those precious cat photos while you're chugging down a Mr. Pibb and a bag of cheetos.
??ALL that they are doing is complaining!!! I BET that if they'll have the chance to shoot 30 minute with a D300 AND look after that on the screen of PC and to see the softness from the pictures taken with D300 ,they'll love more their CANON gear!!!!! JUST TRY IT!!!