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p.2 #1 · G10

28mm woo hoo!!

Aug 26, 2008 at 06:04 PM

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Mayank B wrote:
G10 info is gone from PopPhoto :-)

Even the Google cache of the page is gone...

Aug 26, 2008 at 06:14 PM

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p.2 #3 · G10

Boring... Will hold onto the G9 for now.

Aug 26, 2008 at 08:07 PM

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p.2 #4 · G10

It WAS on Dpreview's frontpage a few hours ago.

Aug 26, 2008 at 08:15 PM

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Greg Schneider wrote:
It WAS on Dpreview's frontpage a few hours ago. ???

I just checked--not there now. Appears there may be miscommunication yet again with Canon (hmmmm.....). Canon is able to get these 'leaks' out every season---and after just a bit they are squashed, but enough have seen them that they start a big buzz.

Diane

Aug 27, 2008 at 01:20 PM

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p.2 #6 · G10

I like my G9, but the thing it didn't need in the upgrade arena was higher resolution.

Aug 27, 2008 at 01:27 PM

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14.7 mp on a so small sensor, what do they smoke dude !!??!!

Maybe the G10 has a bigger sensor, which would help explaining the difference in lens.

Aug 27, 2008 at 01:37 PM

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p.2 #8 · G10

I wonder how face detection will cope when it sees the look of horror on the users face when they see the noise at ISO 1600 - does it report back to Canon HQ and a team is dispatched to neuralyze them.

Aug 27, 2008 at 01:58 PM

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p.2 #9 · G10

Actually, the profile face detection on the G10 sounds like a pretty handy feature. I look forward to giving it a try ... if I don't go for the Panasonic LX3 instead. I wouldn't worry about ISO 1600 ... it seems like a feature that is being systematically designed out of P&S cameras. Probably because Canon marketing understands that the younger generation raised on P&S cameras prefers the aesthetics of their images and given any high ISO performance would skip the whole DSLR market altogether.

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Aug 27, 2008 at 06:45 PM

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p.2 #10 · G10

I just spoke with Canon customer service about the G9. It is now out of production. The rep assured me that the G line will go on and that "they are NOT done with announcements for the month of August." I was just about to jump on the G9. I guess I'll wait and see.

Aug 27, 2008 at 06:56 PM

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p.2 #11 · G10

UCSB wrote:
I like the 28mm wide angle. Canon seems to really listen to G users and grant us our top wish each year. I wish Popphoto had listed the lenses max aperture. Anyway 28-140mm works well for me. Exposure comp on a dial sounds like a nice feature. There has to be more to this new release. Maybe I will match my current G9 up with a Panasonic LX3.

As soon as I can find the LX3 available in the USA, I will be getting one I think..

Aug 27, 2008 at 07:05 PM

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p.2 #12 · G10

I love how everyone derides higher MP/sensor (50D and now G10), as if the technology never improves with these increments.

Maybe we should be trying to push old Pentium 150s to run at 5GHz, instead of shrinking the dies and adding multiple cores?

Give your heads a collective shake, people.

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Aug 27, 2008 at 07:12 PM

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p.2 #13 · G10

Lance Couture wrote:
I love how everyone derides higher MP/sensor (50D and now G10), as if the technology never improves with these increments.

Maybe we should be trying to push old Pentium 150s to run at 5GHz, instead of shrinking the dies and adding multiple cores?

Give your heads a collective shake, people.

That's pretty funny comparing the G10 and 50D. Yes I'm sure the G10 has crammed more pixels in and noise is a bit better, but given how pathetic these cameras are above ISO 400 (200 for many cameras) it'll still be pathetic. Now if they had used their brain and combined digic IV and left the camera at 10MP they might have actually given Fuji a run for their money.

Also begs the question why you think someone serious enough to want 15MP in a P&S doesn't get a DSLR in the first place. If you actually want 15MP to make big prints, then you'll get far better results from a DSLR anyday. If you aren't making anything bigger than A4 what's the point of 15MP, 8MP would be plenty.

Aug 28, 2008 at 12:59 AM

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p.2 #14 · G10

This is exactly why the LX3 is appealing to me. 24mm F2 Leica lens with optical IS, high ISO, manual controls, metal body, 10mpix, and supposedly cleaner noise. Regardless, a P&S is a P&S. I just figured that having one that was capable of shooting in low light and be decently wide would be a nice thing to have in my pocket. The 720P video is a bonus.

Edited on Aug 28, 2008 at 01:49 AM

Aug 28, 2008 at 01:49 AM

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apdieb:
This is exactly why the LX3 is appealing to me.

Exactly. I also ordered LX3.

Aug 28, 2008 at 01:52 AM

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p.2 #16 · G10

It's on my notify list at B&H. They say it won't be available until September. That is coming soon.

Aug 28, 2008 at 02:02 AM

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p.2 #17 · G10

apdieb wrote:
This is exactly why the LX3 is appealing to me. 24mm F2 Leica lens with optical IS, high ISO, manual controls, metal body, 10mpix, and supposedly cleaner noise. Regardless, a P&S is a P&S. I just figured that having one that was capable of shooting in low light and be decently wide would be a nice thing to have in my pocket. The 720P video is a bonus.

Yes it has a much bigger sensor, much faster glass, less pixels - but the preliminary results didn't look that good. Hopefully it's good as it's sounds like an ideal camera. Too bad Panasonic doesn't have digic IV.

Aug 28, 2008 at 02:05 AM

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p.2 #18 · G10

I preordered mine at J&R (special deal on silver model)

Aug 28, 2008 at 02:06 AM

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p.2 #19 · G10

Interesting.. I want black though.

Pixel - Not sure what digic 4 does quite yet...so I can't comment. However, I do understand that the LX3 has it's own new processor as well.

I saw a bunch of images from the camera. Some not so good and some stellar. Hard to say at this point really.

Aug 28, 2008 at 02:32 AM

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p.2 #20 · G10

I've saved screenshots and the entire text.

Canon Powershot G10 Announced

Canon’s newest flagship compact packs 14.7 megapixels, a 28-140mm 5x zoom, a 3 inch 460K pixel LCD and DPP-supported RAW into a familiar, but not identical body as its predecessor.

By Jack Howard
August 26, 2008

Canon has today announced the Canon Powershot G10 (SRP: $499), a 14.7 megapixel luxe-class compact digital camera as the replacement to the popular G9. The G10, along with the other compact cameras announced today, is powered by the Digic 4 processor.

Key upgrades and features of the G10 include:

-True 5x zoom wide angle lens (28-140mm equivalent.)
--Face Detection can recognize profiles.
-14.7 megapixel capture
-RAW format files editable in Canon Digital Photo Pro (instead of ZoomBrowser/Imagebrowser like the G9)
-ISO up to 1600 with binned pixels lo-rez 3200 scene setting
-ISO dial now wraps around mode dial.
-Exposure Comp has own dial to left of the hotshoe (where the ISO dial was on the G9.)

The Canon Powershot G10 will be available in October 2008. Stay tuned to PopPhoto.com for a full test of this cool new compact camera.

The full press release follows on page 2.

Canon also introduced a new DSLR today, the EOS 50D. and several other compact digicams and printers.

Page 2 was empty.

Screencaps below for your pleasure:

Edited by alexanderino on Aug 28, 2008 at 02:42 AM GMT

Edited on Aug 28, 2008 at 02:42 AM

Aug 28, 2008 at 02:39 AM

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p.2 #21 · G10

Pixel Perfect wrote:
Lance Couture wrote:
I love how everyone derides higher MP/sensor (50D and now G10), as if the technology never improves with these increments.

Maybe we should be trying to push old Pentium 150s to run at 5GHz, instead of shrinking the dies and adding multiple cores?

Give your heads a collective shake, people.

That's pretty funny comparing the G10 and 50D. Yes I'm sure the G10 has crammed more pixels in and noise is a bit better, but given how pathetic these cameras are above ISO 400 (200 for many cameras) it'll still be pathetic. Now if they had used their brain and combined digic IV and left the camera at 10MP they might have actually given Fuji a run for their money.

Also begs the question why you think someone serious enough to want 15MP in a P&S doesn't get a DSLR in the first place. If you actually want 15MP to make big prints, then you'll get far better results from a DSLR anyday. If you aren't making anything bigger than A4 what's the point of 15MP, 8MP would be plenty.

You misundertand the point I was trying to make. I wasnt comparing the G10 and 50D in terms of equivalent technologies.

With the current crop of releases, it seems we are witnessing the next "leap", if you will, in sensor technology.

Only a few pictures from the source have been posted (for the 50D), and no real vetting of the products. I completely understand the limitations of PnS sensors, but my point is the instant derision and criticism people heap upon the technology w/o and hands-on experience.

Who's to say yet that the G10's IQ will be less than the G9?

One is not going to get clean 1600 ISO out of a tiny PnS sensor, but if they can give lattitude to crop with higher res and equivalent or better noise at say... 400 ISO, then I think its an improvement.

Edited on Aug 28, 2008 at 02:41 AM

Aug 28, 2008 at 02:40 AM

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Lance - I think that Pixel understands your point. Many of us have watched the P&S market with interest because it would be nice to have something to compliment our DSLR equipment - as a carry all the time camera. It’s just that over time with increasing MP has come increasing noise and increased disappointment - not necessarily increased image IQ. I think its reasonable that if something happens say 10 times in a row that when for the 11th time we see more pixels added it can be concluded that yes we will probably see more noise as a result. Many people, I count myself as one, would like to see few pixels and better ISO performance in a P&S that uses raw format. Most of the time when I use a P&S it happens to be indoors where the lighting is poor and I need that ISO performance. Most of the time I am disappointed which has led me get rid of my P&S cameras. YMMV.

Aug 28, 2008 at 03:11 AM

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p.2 #23 · G10

Believe me, I really do understand.

I'm just a proponent of technology, so I like to see things move forward.

I have gone through several PnSs in the last while, trying to find one to complement my SLRs and have been so frustrated, I've wanted to hurl them off of the highest mountain around here.

In the PnS segment, which I watch with some interest, I too have noticed an increase in MP with a corresponding increase in smearing at "high" ISOs (if 400-80o can be considered "high"). However, it seems to be that with the recent releases from both Canon and Nikon, perhaps we are at that next jump where we CAN see an increase in IQ as well as MP.

Point is that we dont know yet...

Edited on Aug 28, 2008 at 03:17 AM

Aug 28, 2008 at 03:16 AM

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p.2 #24 · G10

Lance I know what your saying, but I'm saying the P&S pixel has gotten out of control and it's time someone had the courage to say enough's enough and make IQ a priority. At ISO 80-100 some of them can deliver stellar IQ and if the cameras only came with say a max of ISO 200 they'd make sense. But you have cameras with 1/2.5" sensors, 10-12MP and offering ISO 3200, which woulkdn't make an aceptable postage stamp and yet they market this as a feature. I'm sure a point would come where they'll offer ISO 1600 which is quite good - Fuji has been almost at that point for 2 years at least, but unlike DSLR's they are coming from such a pathetic baseline, they should step back and use their improved NR technologies in combination with lower pixel density sensors first. Deliver clean ISO 1600 at whatever MP it takes and then when that's sorted gradually bump up the MP. But I still stand by my premise making large prints from tiny sensors only exacerbates IQ faults even if the ISO is not an issue. I just can't see the point of marketing a P&S as a serious replacement for a DSLR.

I still have my Fuji S7000 from 2004 and it was released in 2003 and have not seen a P&S since that's impressed me, except finally maybe the LX-3

Aug 28, 2008 at 04:10 AM

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p.2 #25 · G10

Andrew,
Go try the Ricoh GX200 out. 24.2-70 mm F2.8 if you really like P&S and I like the Panny LX-3 too

Aug 28, 2008 at 04:12 AM


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