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BennyR wrote:
AF appears to be identical to the 40D.


If you shoot action, thats a show stopper. Did you read RG analysis of 40D autofocus? Not good and you know what he said about the 1D MKIII AF.

Aug 26, 2008 at 11:19 AM
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timnosenzo wrote: From a spec point of view, this release is a real snooze in my opinion. Unless the IQ proves to be outstanding, I don't see the point, and I don't see how it competes at all with the D300.

The IQ is outstanding.



Are we basing that on the 3 or 4 sample images that Canon posted? Or has someone done a test with a production model?

Aug 26, 2008 at 11:19 AM
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I hope it can focus properly, if so, then Canon made a winner.

Aug 26, 2008 at 11:20 AM
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This statement from Canon's press release is a bit odd...

" Canon has built upon the success of the popular EOS 40D model - which will remain in Canon's line - with the EOS 50D Digital SLR camera."

So we'll have the Rebel, the 40d and the 50d all available at the same time. Odd indeed. Maybe it is a move by Canon to prop up the "investments" folks made in the 40d just a year ago.

Aug 26, 2008 at 11:22 AM
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Very nice upgrade IMO...people that think otherwise are either being unrealistic with themselves are haven't taken a very close look at the new features.

Microadjustment -
Higher-res LCD -
15.1 mp w/ improved noise performance -
Automatic vignetting correction w/ Canon lenses -
4 level Adjustable Noise Reduction -
Face-detection AF in Liveview (What I'd call the "Wife" mode) -


All for $1300ish? Doesn't sound like a bad deal if you ask me...as someone who shoots a lot of Landscapes and still portraits, this will hopefully be a nice upgrade!

Aug 26, 2008 at 11:28 AM
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p.8 #6 · Official: Canon EOS 50D


Wrong thread.

Edited by Pixel Perfect on Aug 26, 2008 at 08:34 PM GMT

Edited on Aug 26, 2008 at 11:34 AM


Aug 26, 2008 at 11:30 AM
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rsg_1 wrote:
If I were starting out and compared the 50D to the D300, the only real difference would be the AF.


There are other differences between Nikon and Canon once you start looking under hood. The headlines are not the only thing to look at.

Aug 26, 2008 at 11:31 AM
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Beni wrote:
Like it better for what though? Serious question, not trying to be negative, what would 50D buyers like better that they would take a lower speced camera for the same price? I'm interested. If the answer is the glass then doesn't that just mean that Canon have used their popularity in glass to provide less camera features at a given price point? Again this is with reference to the 50D and D300 being the SAME price in the UK (50D more expensive at release). If I'm a guy in a shop wanting to buy either the 50D or D300 and both are the same price, why would you advise me to take a 50D eventhough it isn't the pro body the D300 is?

Edited by Beni on Aug 26, 2008 at 09:11 AM GMT



Great points! But the typical person that walks into a store is already decided anyway. If the buyer is shopping for a system, you are totally correct, but most people's first camera is not a 50D or a D300, and by the time they buy one, they are already invested and somewhat brand brainwashed. Canon's marketing research must have shown that the Brits are must less likely to switch systems, hence the higher price.

I use Canon at home, and Nikon stuff when I second shoot on weekends. Personally, I like everything about Nikon better, except for the file produced. Whether it is glass, or the sensor, or the in-camera processing, I couldn't tell you. And to me the output is what is important. And my 40D files look better than the files I get from a D300 to my eye. That is what I would tell the guy in the store. Look past the marketing and features that you will not use, and look at the results.

All that aside, I really hate it when companies do the marketing magic pricing. And to be completely honest, if I lived in the UK, I would probably buy a Nikon just to spite Canon, because the gap between 30D/D200 has shrunk to the small gap between the 40D/D300, and it is only a matter of time before a complete parity arises. To me, Canon seems to be much more heavy handed than most companies in the marketing dept., and I don't like that very much. (completely unsubstantiated personal opinion there, not meant to stir up the pot in any way).

So I guess I agree with you mostly, and disagree only because of my experience with both systems, and while the D300 has more value for the price, the output, in my opinion, isn't as good as the 40D (I don't know about the 50D yet).



Aug 26, 2008 at 11:33 AM
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Ho-humm,
Brutus Östling, who is a pretty good photographer (NB understatement) claims the 50D is faster to acheive focus lock than both 1D3 and 1Ds3 in certain circumstances....
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fbrutusbloggar.blogg.se%2F2008%2Faugust%2Ffalttest-av-canon-eos-50d.html&hl=fi&ie=UTF8&sl=sv&tl=en

He was really impressed with the perfomance, even if the sensor is the same, AF is likely to be better processed by the DIGIC4.
-----------------snip-----------------Google translation from the link----------------------
I tested the camera with zoom 70-200/2, 8 and left it then set the focus continuously with two lenses, while I very quickly pan down from the beach 200 feet away on the other side of the water to the surface of the water a few metres in front of me. The focus came with all the time.

When I took up my EOS 1 D Mark III and did the same thing was the result is less convincing, I have seen Mark III-s as fast, but EOS 50 D was clearly faster. I repeated the manoeuvre a dozen times with two cameras.
As in all cases, the motive still is my assessment that the EOS 50D has probably the world's fastest auto focus.
-----------------snip------------------
Looking good, very good!



Edited on Aug 26, 2008 at 11:41 AM


Aug 26, 2008 at 11:37 AM
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http://www.pdngearguide.com/gearguide/content_display/news/e3ib06feef71f62cc176182978d9e395dbe

has an interview with Canon's infamous Chuck Westfall, including, DA DA DA...

The 50D will sell as a kit with the new 18-200 for $1599, just $200 than body alone.

Sweet.

Adam

Aug 26, 2008 at 11:43 AM
 



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runner301 wrote:
Beni wrote:
Like it better for what though? Serious question, not trying to be negative, what would 50D buyers like better that they would take a lower speced camera for the same price? I'm interested. If the answer is the glass then doesn't that just mean that Canon have used their popularity in glass to provide less camera features at a given price point? Again this is with reference to the 50D and D300 being the SAME price in the UK (50D more expensive at release). If I'm a guy in a shop wanting to buy either the 50D or D300 and both are the same price, why would you advise me to take a 50D eventhough it isn't the pro body the D300 is?

Edited by Beni on Aug 26, 2008 at 09:11 AM GMT



Great points! But the typical person that walks into a store is already decided anyway. If the buyer is shopping for a system, you are totally correct, but most people's first camera is not a 50D or a D300, and by the time they buy one, they are already invested and somewhat brand brainwashed. Canon's marketing research must have shown that the Brits are must less likely to switch systems, hence the higher price.

I use Canon at home, and Nikon stuff when I second shoot on weekends. Personally, I like everything about Nikon better, except for the file produced. Whether it is glass, or the sensor, or the in-camera processing, I couldn't tell you. And to me the output is what is important. And my 40D files look better than the files I get from a D300 to my eye. That is what I would tell the guy in the store. Look past the marketing and features that you will not use, and look at the results.

All that aside, I really hate it when companies do the marketing magic pricing. And to be completely honest, if I lived in the UK, I would probably buy a Nikon just to spite Canon, because the gap between 30D/D200 has shrunk to the small gap between the 40D/D300, and it is only a matter of time before a complete parity arises. To me, Canon seems to be much more heavy handed than most companies in the marketing dept., and I don't like that very much. (completely unsubstantiated personal opinion there, not meant to stir up the pot in any way).

So I guess I agree with you mostly, and disagree only because of my experience with both systems, and while the D300 has more value for the price, the output, in my opinion, isn't as good as the 40D (I don't know about the 50D yet).



There is an interesting post on LL by a independant camera repair guy who says that in the UK Nikon have stopped supplying parts to independants and in his opinion Canon will follow suit soon. The idea being that you can't get a repair done except by the manufacturer with high prices and stupidly long turn around times. The UK, land of those willing to jump down infront of the steam roller rather than complain. Over your beer in the pub or on Talkradio doesn't count!

Edited on Aug 26, 2008 at 11:47 AM


Aug 26, 2008 at 11:46 AM
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MSC wrote:
stanj wrote:
dswiger wrote:
4. Get a new computer with a large RAID array since my storage needs will have gone up dramatically & I need the horsepower to process said large images.


I can highly recommend this:
http://www.enhance-tech.com/products/desktop/t8_ip.html



Wow, what does that baby cost...they seem to left the price off that page...I know, if you have to ask, you can't afford it.

Edited by MSC on Aug 26, 2008 at 07:26 PM GMT



I have a Buffalo Terrastation Pro-II in my office for all my photos...running RAID-10 with 1TB of usable space...dont need more than that right now...if i do i will copy all the data off and make it raid-1 and get 2TB out of it.


Aug 26, 2008 at 11:53 AM
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Seems to be a field test by a Swedish 'tog here.

Google Translated version

Original Swedish version


***Edit***
It beats the 1DMKIII for AF apparently. Then again I'm sure some will say that can't be too hard to do

Edited by Ronan O Keeffe on Aug 26, 2008 at 12:07 PM GMT

Edited by Ronan O Keeffe on Aug 26, 2008 at 12:10 PM GMT

Edited on Aug 26, 2008 at 12:10 PM


Aug 26, 2008 at 12:01 PM
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Ronan O Keeffe wrote:
Seems to be a field test by a Swsedish 'tog here.

Google Translated version

Original Swedish version


That's the same as reported earlier in this thread.... Brutus Östling is currently one of the best bird photographers IMO...
Check some of his pics
http://www.brutusostling.se/english/main.html

If he says the 50D is good, good it is!




Aug 26, 2008 at 12:05 PM
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He is very talented for sure

Aug 26, 2008 at 12:34 PM
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p.8 #16 · Official: Canon EOS 50D


EltonTeng wrote:
What are the predictions about 60D?


I'm guessing it'll be out before the mythical 5DII...



Aug 26, 2008 at 12:40 PM
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Wow...that review is pretty glowing. Fastest AF in the world? High praise.

Also, did you see the 100% crop of the eagle? This is going to be one heck of a camera. Too bad I won't be upgrading (just don't have the $$ for that now). It's OK...my 30D still does what I need it to!

Aug 26, 2008 at 12:52 PM
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WebDog wrote:
Ronan O Keeffe wrote:
Seems to be a field test by a Swsedish 'tog here.

Google Translated version

Original Swedish version


That's the same as reported earlier in this thread.... Brutus Östling is currently one of the best bird photographers IMO...
Check some of his pics
http://www.brutusostling.se/english/main.html

If he says the 50D is good, good it is!





Very promising.

However, I was hopping for some full resolution pics available for download...

Aug 26, 2008 at 12:55 PM
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Scott T wrote:
I think the point is that Nikon has pro AF in it's D300, which is ~$1600 at B&H now, while Canon cannot, or will not, trickle that down to it's consumer line as Nikon has.


To be honest, Canon's current problem is that pro AF hasn't trickled down to its pro (1-series) bodies either. And I say that as an owner of a 1Ds3 and ex-owner of a 1D3.

The thing that excites me a lot about the 50D is face detection. I sincerely hope face detection is available in the 5D and mk3 replacements. I shoot people a lot, and existing AF systems are next to useless with faces and wide apertures, even Nikon's. The focus point is never in the right place, so moving it slows me down, and the very limited positions of AF points mean that I am invariably forced to compose badly. I constantly resort to manual focus, but the AF/MF switches are fiddly and very hard to use while looking through the camera. Setting AF to only be activated by the AF-ON button is a real pain as there are too many things to press, hold, and think about before taking a picture. I really hope that the horse-power of a DSLR can afford very quick and accurate face detection focussing, with focus latching on to the nearest eye, and a multi-face mode which picks the 'hyperfocal face' from a group. All that is already available in compacts. I can honestly say that I prefer AF on my Fuji F31d than on my 1Ds3, purely because of face-detection.

Edited by brainiac on Aug 26, 2008 at 01:09 PM GMT

Edited on Aug 26, 2008 at 01:09 PM


Aug 26, 2008 at 01:02 PM
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BrianO wrote:
Alek Komarnits wrote:...I just did a side-by-side of the Canon 50D versus 40D.
Time for an edit.

According to that page (as of 02:47Pacific on Tuesday, 8-26-08), the 40D hasn't been introduced yet, and will cost $100 more than the 50D.


Ooops - just had the two columns transposed - thanks!


Aug 26, 2008 at 01:04 PM
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