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p.2 #1 · 50D, 5D replacement and beyond

Geoff Costello wrote:
We are in for an amazing ride over the next 2 to 3 years as Canon, Nikon and Sony 'slug it out' adding features and pushing the limits of physics in some cases.

That is the most significant recent development, in my view.

Dan

Aug 22, 2008 at 04:26 PM

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p.2 #2 · 50D, 5D replacement and beyond

05xrunner,

Your comments in this thread lead me to believe that

A) You're 9 yrs old

B) You're eternally unhappy with your "profiled" Canon equipment

C) You just need a little tiny push and you'll wake up a Nikon shooter and everything will be rosy with a moon made of cheese that you really can eat !!!

Which is it ? I'm intrigued ??

Aug 22, 2008 at 04:28 PM

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galenapass wrote:

Before writing anything like the above, the OP should first establish some sort of credibility. Without that established first, I regard this as little more than someone who has a lot of speculations, and a desire for attention. What amazes me more are posts that thank this person - as though the act of writing something down makes it true.

Exactly. Another Internet Expert seeking his 15 seconds of fame.

Aug 22, 2008 at 04:30 PM

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reggie747 wrote:
05xrunner,

Your comments in this thread lead me to believe that

A) You're 9 yrs old

B) You're eternally unhappy with your "profiled" Canon equipment

C) You just need a little tiny push and you'll wake up a Nikon shooter and everything will be rosy with a moon made of cheese that you really can eat !!!

Which is it ? I'm intrigued ??
Why 9 huh..cause canon has 9 focus points and wont be smart and update it

I am happy with my gear and have no intention of buying any of the xxD cameras. seeing if anything new in the 1D is announced by Christmas for me. its just a shame how weak of an upgrade they give when trying to compete..

I will never own a Nikon..I cant stand the feel they have in my hands, the layout of the 50billion buttons are all over the place and I do not like the way the files look.

Aug 22, 2008 at 04:36 PM

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abam wrote:
That was painful to read.

e.g.: "...Will there be features that people will fight to the death that should have been added or should not have been added (you bet that’s what happens on internet forums)."

People will fight features to the death?

If people that argued on the internet fought to the death, the world, or at least the internet would be a better place.

Aug 22, 2008 at 04:40 PM

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abam wrote:
That was painful to read.

e.g.: "...Will there be features that people will fight to the death that should have been added or should not have been added (you bet that’s what happens on internet forums)."

People will fight features to the death?

Have you ever seen someone fight AF? Ugg. It's not pretty. All that grunting, thrashing about, gnashing of teeth, scratching and biting, and the photographer still can't get close to the feature. An awe inspiring spectacle that may be at the 2012 Olympic games.

Aug 22, 2008 at 04:59 PM

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p.2 #7 · 50D, 5D replacement and beyond

@ james & robert

i see a new FM.com forum: fredmiranda.com/forum/thunderdome

two nerds enter. one nerd leaves.

Aug 22, 2008 at 05:10 PM

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p.2 #8 · 50D, 5D replacement and beyond

05xrunner wrote:
its the same 9 point af thats been around since the 20D...its time to revise it and add more points to make it more comparable to the competition. Like 25points would be great. Just cause they are cross now...still doesnt fill those huge voids between them

No, it doesn't fill the voids between them. But it makes them much more reliable and exact, especially in bad light, than any combination of individual linear sensors ever will. The AF accuracy in my 40D easily beats the "pro" AF in the EOS3 I have - in accuracy, reliability and low light sensitivity.

The only thing the EOS 3 with all its points does better is tracking moving subjects in good light. I see quite a lot of people here asking for xxpoint AF that, when viewing their portfolio, mostly shoot portraits and landscapes.

I would not mind some sort of center expansion as it was introduced with the 5D AF to complement a cross type AF point set-up. But before I start screaming for a pro AF system I'd much rather see other features in a pro-sumer body.

Just my 2 cents of course

Aug 22, 2008 at 05:16 PM

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Geoff Costello wrote:
They suffer from some quantisation noise at smaller pixel sizes (limited by physics) but this is fixed by pixel binning to create ...

quantisation-noise is related to A/D-conversion and has nothing to do with pixel-size ... i sometimes think theres a hidden agenda going on: excite the Canon-userbase with fantasy-leaks so they experience a guaranteed dispointment ...

Aug 22, 2008 at 06:14 PM

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p.2 #10 · 50D, 5D replacement and beyond

abam wrote:
@ james & robert

i see a new FM.com forum: fredmiranda.com/forum/thunderdome

two nerds enter. one nerd leaves.

Aug 22, 2008 at 06:50 PM

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abam wrote:
@ james & robert

i see a new FM.com forum: fredmiranda.com/forum/thunderdome

two nerds enter. one nerd leaves.

How about "Two nerds enter, neither one leaves."

Aug 22, 2008 at 07:00 PM

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OP - all I can say is that I hope you're right.

...however, that's an awful lot of "down-the-road" information for me to be even slightly swayed to believe that it's all fact. I can deal with the 5D/50D specs (I mean speculations, not specifications) from everyone because they may or may not be around the corner...

Aug 22, 2008 at 08:01 PM

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Aug 22, 2008 at 08:04 PM

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Aug 22, 2008 at 08:08 PM

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abam wrote:
for anyone who might be comparing nikon's D300 to canon's prosumer crop line, let's not forget that the D300 costs €1326, and the 40D €770. (here, at least)

Yes the D300 is a Semi Pro camera and the 40D is a prosumer camera. I don't expect Canon to offer a Semi Pro camera for the price of the 40D, but I should would love to see Canon offer a Semi Pro camera for the price of the D300. I want a digital equivalent for my EOS 3.

Ed

Aug 22, 2008 at 08:31 PM

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p.2 #16 · 50D, 5D replacement and beyond

+1, me too !

Aug 22, 2008 at 09:05 PM

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p.2 #17 · 50D, 5D replacement and beyond

doesn't sound so bad

(if true)

Edited on Aug 22, 2008 at 09:41 PM

Aug 22, 2008 at 09:36 PM

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p.2 #18 · 50D, 5D replacement and beyond

I indeed think that the combination DSLR and Video will get huge in the near future. Imagine the nice video images you get with a FF and the 85L.

ever watched CSI Miami?

Aug 22, 2008 at 09:46 PM

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It's all possible but agian I don't believe anyone really knows.

Aug 22, 2008 at 09:47 PM

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p.2 #20 · 50D, 5D replacement and beyond

mawz wrote:
05xrunner wrote:
abam wrote:
...but most people when buying in this range are choosing between the 40D and D300...'

the D90 will be muscling for the same target audience that the 50D will.

I will bet the D90 will have way more then the 50D as well...canon really missed the boat on this one.

The D90 will not be quite as much camera as the 50D. But it will be close.

12MP
4.5fps
3" 922K display
Live View
HD Video recording in LV mode (the killer app for the D90).

Baby D300 in other words, like the D80 is a baby D200.

OK, stop for a moment. Is HD video recording coming soon? This is very interesting to me as I 'do' video as much as photography and the biggest problem for me is getting decent depth of field control, even on expensive machines like my XH A1. Also, the hassle with camcorders is that AF isn't like on my 1DmkIII or 5D, I can't select a focus point etc. Now, if we are going to see this kind of thing soon we can expect a massive jump in creative video possibilities using our existing lenses.

With RED bringing out a new large sensor video for low money maybe things are about to change. Yippee

Mike

Aug 22, 2008 at 09:55 PM

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p.2 #21 · 50D, 5D replacement and beyond

How about one f'in 50D thread?

Aug 22, 2008 at 10:29 PM

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p.2 #22 · 50D, 5D replacement and beyond

Pixel Perfect wrote:
But if he really does have some insider trading I'm more than happy to read anything else he has to reveal.

Insider trading for Canon/Nikon/Sony hmmmm mind starts to boggle. I dont think the CIA could even get that much information out.

Aug 22, 2008 at 11:03 PM

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05xrunner wrote:
sorry..but most people when buying in this range are choosing between the 40D and D300...even though the price is a little more.

A little more? The EOS 40D has been selling for at or below $970 for much of 2008. The Nikon D300 has barely budged from $1600 in that same time frame. That is what you call a little more?

05xrunner wrote:
its the same 9 point af thats been around since the 20D...

No it is not. The actual AF sensors in those cameras are different. And there are 9 cross type AF points in the 40D compared to only 1 cross type AF point in the 20D. And the 40D features dual high precision center cross in a diagonal orientation, unlike the 20D's which was high precision in only one axis. And the 40D's AF system is barely 1 year old.

About the only thing the 40D AF system has in common with the 20D's is the actual number of points. But when you're teeming with all that negative energy, that's all you can notice... right? 05xrunner, you are certainly the most negative pessimist I've encountered in this forum. You are a veritable black hole everywhere you go.

Edited on Aug 22, 2008 at 11:18 PM

Aug 22, 2008 at 11:11 PM

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I'll weigh in on this discussion with my own views. Personally I think a 9-point AF system is weak. I'm a shooter who is always scrolling to the AF point that matches what I want in focus and I almost never have all AF point selected, in fact I can't remember the last time I enabled them all. Having them spread out in the screen would be very valuable to me and my style of shooting. The 9 in the XSi, and the 5D aren't enough. They are so tightly grouped in the 5D that I grumble about it to myself all the time. It makes a very fine camera clumsy in an important area.

I'd like them all to be cross-hatch as well. I think 15-21 points would be enough. I'm a big landscape shooter so lot of MP are important to me. A 5D with 16 or more MP and 15-21 AF points would be ideal for me. Preferably I'd like to see 18-21 mp but that may be a bit of a stretch.

Also I think they SHOULD split this line. They should have a camera that features high MP that doesn't worry about super-high ISO and then another that has less MP and supports a better high ISO. I think this would nicely fit into the needs of most photographers.

Edited on Aug 22, 2008 at 11:43 PM

Aug 22, 2008 at 11:42 PM

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p.2 #25 · 50D, 5D replacement and beyond

For the 5D in AI servo mode, there are 15 AF points and they do work well; however, we need those additional 6 AF points in single shot mode and preferably 6 more.

I went to see a D700 today, and although I don't like the buttons, if its AF is significantly superior to the 5DMkII, I'll be switching over. It also balances quite nicely and is "Made in Japan" and not Thailand.

Edited on Aug 23, 2008 at 12:43 AM

Aug 23, 2008 at 12:42 AM


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