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p.3 #1 · Dance Pose Copyright


The proposition that a single pose can be copyrighted is ludicrous. Every subject who has ever had his or her picture taken could claim to be their own choreographer and that every frame of every shoot includes a copyrighted pose. After a few thousand registrations, legal posing and photography would come to a screeching halt.

This defies the most basic common sense.



Aug 22, 2008 at 09:06 PM
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p.3 #2 · Dance Pose Copyright


This defies the most basic common sense.
That is because we are talking law and the misunderstandings of law!



Aug 22, 2008 at 10:11 PM
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Why is it so difficult to comprehend? Can you go to a performance and take a still? NO you can't because the production is copyrighted.

For all we know the student is in a costume from the show in a pose from the show.

The fact is we weren't given enough information to decide - but what we do know is that the instructor voiced a clear notice of copyright. Calling that silly is really outrageous without more information. She knew enough to point it out to the photographer. Thats a pretty solid starting point IMO. Telling the OP to simply ignore the claim is reckless and bad advice - especially if she has no professional insurance.

Edited by RGS65 on Aug 22, 2008 at 10:33 PM GMT

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Aug 22, 2008 at 10:31 PM
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p.3 #4 · Dance Pose Copyright


I think the dance instructor needs to clarify her comments by saying you can't or shouldn't profit by these images. As far as posting them, since this is a forum where others learn from, I suppose you could always claim it falls under 'fair use'.

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Aug 23, 2008 at 07:02 AM
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p.3 #5 · Dance Pose Copyright


Those are your photographs and you can display them as you see fit. If you and any one else want to find out from a legal stand point, contact Carolyn E. Wright at photoattorney.com. She is both a renowned photographer as well as an attorney dealing with photography and copyright law.
She has a blog at photoattorney.com and updates it with advice on a very timely manner. I visit it often and have learned a lot about laws and rights of photographers. Others would be wise to do the same to astay informed.



Aug 24, 2008 at 05:14 PM
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p.3 #6 · Dance Pose Copyright


GCasey wrote:
Googling on the question turned up this information:

"NEW DELHI: The United States has denied granting patents and trademarks for the ancient Indian practice of yoga, popular among western celebrities, a statement from the US embassy said Tuesday.
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This has no connection to dance poses, though it is somewhat similar.



It's not similar at all. The reason that Yoga poses are not protected by U.S. Copyright is because they are public domain that are hundreds of years old; it has nothing to do with the fact that they are poses. See Open Source Yoga Unity v. Choudhury, 2005 WL 756558 (N.D.Cal. 2005) (with parties conceding that yoga asanas are ancient works which belong to the public at large). In this sense, yoga is like Shakespeare or Van Gogh.

Dance poses may certainly be protected by copyright.

"Subject to sections 107 through 122, the owner of copyright under this title has the exclusive rights to do and to authorize any of the following:
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(5) in the case of literary, musical, dramatic, and choreographic works, pantomimes, and pictorial, graphic, or sculptural works, including the individual images of a motion picture or other audiovisual work, to display the copyrighted work publicly..."

17 U.S.C. ยง 106(5).

The OP probably does not infringe the choreographer's copyright though. A federal court in the Second Circuit (New York) held that a photographer could indeed infringe a choreographic work, but only if the photograph (s) are substantially similar to the choreography. Horgan v. Macmillan, Inc., 789 F.2d 157 (2d Cir. 1986). The facts in that case involved a picture book which sequentially depicted a choreographer's ballet. Here, the OP has a single picture of a single pose; doesn't sound like his photographs rise to the level of infringement.


Rick's suggestion that you ask for written proof from the US Copyright Office is valid. If she claims to have a copyright, she needs to show it.

You do not need to register a work with the copyright office to validate it. The copyright on the pose is presumptively valid.

Arka C.

DISCLAIMER: I am not a lawyer (yet), but have studied these issues more than the average person. That said, these opinions are not offered as legal counsel.


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Aug 24, 2008 at 06:47 PM
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p.3 #7 · Dance Pose Copyright


Fair use in U.S. copyright law:

... the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include —

(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;

(2) the nature of
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From here: [url]http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107[/url]

Of course the choreographer holds the copyright to the dance. What is the proportion of one pose to the entirety of the series of poses and movements that constitute the dance work (section 3 above)? I'd imagine pretty small. Posting the photo online to an educational forum such as this one should be entirely protected (if we are talking about U.S. law).

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Aug 24, 2008 at 08:52 PM
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Umm_fish wrote:
Of course the choreographer holds the copyright to the dance. What is the proportion of one pose to the entirety of the series of poses and movements that constitute the dance work (section 3 above)? I'd imagine pretty small. Posting the photo online to an educational forum such as this one should be entirely protected (if we are talking about U.S. law).


Fair use is immaterial if there was no infringement in the first place. I think it's safe to say that photographing one pose in a choreography does not, in most cases, rise to the level of infringement. If the pose in question was so central to the choreography that any photograph of it would be "substantially similar" to the entire choreography. the photo might infringe... I can think of a few dances where this might be the case.

That said, presuming that this is not such a "single pose" dance, analysis of the "fairness" in posting a non-infringing photograph of it is not all that useful. It's generally "fair" to display works that don't infringe any copyrights.

Arka C.

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Aug 25, 2008 at 12:32 AM
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p.3 #9 · Dance Pose Copyright


I am currently suing 20th Century Fox for their unlawful use, by Ben Stiller, of the Blue Steel pose.
I can't say too much though

Edited by andrew81 on Aug 25, 2008 at 11:05 AM GMT

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Aug 25, 2008 at 05:52 AM
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Brooke Clyde wrote:
Choreography can, indeed, be copyrighted. But the above assertion is rather like claiming that, since this reply can be copyrighted, then I own the word "Choreography".

But you can use it ...

There was a case recently (within the last 6 months) that got a bit of air time here of a dance group who took out an injunction on a 15 year old girl who allegedly, breached copyright on a routine.

The story unfolded thusly:
The girl taught a group of students a routine to a group at the studio, the group won some awards.
The young girl then went and taught some other people the routine. Some people who couldnt afford to attend a dance school. I do recall some where slightly mentally disabled.
Dance company cracked the shits and the courts agreed. I dont think the studio did much business from then on.



Aug 25, 2008 at 06:02 AM
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Very interesting discussion. I'm going to comment, as a laymen, as I'm not an educated legal professional. My comments are not advice, and they are my own understanding of this subject as a result of the research neccessary to record the copyrights of original pen and ink drawings produced for me for hire. This was done about 5 years ago.

A point I haven't seen mentioned yet is what the purpose of the original photo was. One would also need to know why the instructor was there... why did she direct the subject to the pose for the photo in the first place? Was the photo being shot to be used as an advertisement for her studio? Was it to be a personal portrait for the dancer? Was it to be for portfolio work for the photographer? Any one of these intended usages, if known by all parties at the time the photographic image was produced, could substantially affect whether the photographer's use of his copyrighted image would be considered infringement.

For copyright protection to be granted, the copyrighted material must be reduced to a tangible medium. For example... a songwriter writes a song in his head and starts singing it. He now has a new original works he performs as he sings. Until he reduces it to a tangible medium (writes it down or records it, even if it's on a cocktail napkin), he is not afforded copyright protection.

If the instructor was posing the subject in this pose for the purpose of reducing it to a tangible medium, then the court would substantially consider that.

Consider the similar situation where novels are recorded to become a "Book On Tape". The original written works (the novel) are copyrighted by the author. Permission is granted to the recording company to record the copyrighted works to a different medium, using narrators, creating another work of art. Both the recording company and the author now hold copyrights to their distinctive works, but the recording company's are limited to the audio recorded works, and are subject to the provision of the original permission to reproduce the written works.

Another distinction to be made is copyright protection itself... once the material is reduced to a tangible medium, thus the creation documented, copyright protection is granted. It does NOT need to be recorded with the copyright office to be afforded this copyright protection. HOWEVER... copyright protection and the right to recover damages for copyright violation are two different things. To recover damages for copyright violation the copyright must be recorded witht the copyright office.

So... if the instructor indeed holds a copyright to a pose (unverifiable as of yet, but assuming she does), and she has not registered it, she can stop an infringement on this copyright, but cannot collect damages for the infringement. If she has a registered copyright for this pose, then she may be entitled to collect damages if the photo is used in any way she has not approved.

Bottom line... a ton of unknowns here, and we're all just talking about what we think is right. Talk is cheap... real legal advice is not. Neither is defending yourself in court, EVEN IF YOU"RE FOUND TO BE RIGHT. If the OP is considering using this photo in any way contrary to the use authorized by a person claiming to hold a copyright, then weigh that use against the cost of a legal consultation with a copyright attorney.


Edited by chuck26287 on Aug 25, 2008 at 01:04 PM GMT

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Aug 25, 2008 at 07:49 AM
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lordarka wrote:
It's not similar at all. The reason that Yoga poses are not protected by U.S. Copyright is because they are public domain that are hundreds of years old; it has nothing to do with the fact that they are poses. See Open Source Yoga Unity v. Choudhury, 2005 WL 756558 (N.D.Cal. 2005) (with parties conceding that yoga asanas are ancient works which belong to the public at large). In this sense, yoga is like Shakespeare or Van Gogh.

Dance poses may certainly be protected by copyright.

"Subject to sections 107 through 122, the owner of copyright under this title has
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I have some experience in this area which I will share in a general way, but not as advise that should be relied on (since we're talking about the law, I thought a little disclaimer was in order :=D).

RE: Arka's comments:
Some accurate information in here, but again this missed the real issue here. One of the fundamental requirements for copyright protection is "fixation". That is, the subject of the copyright must be fixed in one medium or another. Knowing how to pose someone, or telling them to pose themselves in a certain way is not copyrightable. Once it is photographed or videotaped you then have something that may be subject to protection by copyright law. HOWEVER, the photo/video as a WHOLE is what gets protected...NOT the individual elements of that work. Now, it gets a little complicated when you start talking about derivative works (something that is not an exact copy, but close enough that it still gets proected). But that is not the issue here. There are a series of court cases that analyze the issue of the "work" vs. "elements" of the work. The two that come to mind involved the design of a distinct looking manikin and one involving belt buckles. A copyright on a book is not a copyright on each word, name, phrase or even sentence therin. The point is, to be copyrightable, the pose has to be recorded. Then, that picture/video becomes the "work" which is evaluated for copyright protection. So, think about things like costume, lighting, props, background, etc. All come together with the pose to create a copyrightable work. From there, the next question is who owns it. In this case, I don't think that analysis is terribly complicated.

It's always frustrating to see how afraid people are of getting sued. Yes, it sucks. No, the media does not present anything close to a realistic picture of how many people actually get sued and how many of those suits actually lead to legal fees of any consequence. Worse than that though, is how many lawyers either advise their clients to be overly cautious because of their lack of understanding of a certain area of law, or feed of that fear to rack up a needlessly high bill.

To the OP:

Seriously, a competant copyright attorney should be able to resolve this for you in less than an hour. From a practical standpoint, ask yourself if a dance instructor is going to front the legal fees to sue over this. If it were me, I would rather be on the defensive side of this case. It is so much easier to respond to a silly lawsuit in a way that makes it very expensive for the person suing without being expensive for you (at least early on).



Aug 25, 2008 at 08:48 AM
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Some clarifications on the pose.

The poses are derived from an ancient form of Indian Dancing called Bharatnatyam. It is similar to Ballet where the dancers performance with the music tells a story.

The costumes are purchased from suppliers who mass produce these. So the actual costume is not unique. The images taken were of a pose that is part of a dance routine and the sequence of images taken is not critical.

The teacher had not warned any of us or the parents that the poses are her IP. I think she just noticed that some of her competitors did a similar/same pose and assumed that her work must have been copied and the only way that could have happened is that they saw the poses I did or the parents showed them. Yes, I did put the images online and they were password protected until after the performance when with the parent's permisison the password was removed.

She is not taking me to court, but requesting strongly that I NOT show the images to any one without her permission. The same goes with the parents. She just wants control on who sees the images. The teacher is credited for her teaching and the performance, but the teacher never informed me or the parents of the so called copyrighted poses. The reason for the posting here is to see if she has any rights to prevent me and the parents from showing the images to other friends/family/prospective clients/ etc. I have no problems mentioning her name as the instructor/teacher/whatever, but what if she wants me to write "Copyright 2008 NameOfTeacher pose copyrighted by xyz" similar to what photographers do. Can she make me do that ? legally ?

The images are actually used in creating invitation cards, program brochures, posters and other printed material for display during the performance which happens months after the photo shoot. The images in question are not taken during the performance. That also raises another questions. What would be the state of the images if I had taken them during the performance ?

I have not sold the images of the poses to anyone except for showing them to other parents who wanted to see similar work before hiring my services. This is with the parent's permission.

The images were taken in the US, (North Carolina).

The purpose of the photo shoot was to be able to have images for the printed material that is sent out as an invitation card, program brochure, posters, display for the actual performance.

The instructor was present during the photoshoot so that she can ensure the dancer and assist the parents in the correct form, correct expression and the hand/legs/body composition is as per her knowledge. Remember this is an ancient Indian dance that is now evolving and becoming popular. Like yoga, there are standard poses (if there is such a standard) and then some yoga instructors change them to add the "sugar and spice" to differenciate their yoga style from the others. Call it enhancement or call it evolution or marketing ...

The instructor/teacher had no intentions of using the poses to record her copyright. She noticed some of her competition had similar poses to hers and she started to point fingures at me and the parents for that. Sour grapes ... me thinks.

She has not officially copyrighted anything. merely wants to assert her claim to the poses.

I do understand that the actual recording of the performance, which constitutes, her dancing, lighting, costume, stage decoration, etc would and could be copyrighted. But the poses, with the costumes were done at the parents home with a portable studio setup I have.

Additionally, I really do appreciate all the replies and comments people ahve posted here. I am sure this issue will arise to each adn every photographer who does event photography. I can see the prients and decorators jumping on the band wagon claiming their rights to the ceremony and decoration etc.



Aug 25, 2008 at 02:34 PM
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kaydee, kaydee, kaydee Besides the conceptual question of whether a pose can be copyrighted, you now have a new issue to deal with (new because you did not give us the whole story before). I think I may have mentioned this in passing in my first reply, but this may fall under the "work made for hire" doctrine. I don't have time to explain now, but suffice it to say that if you are hired for a commercial shoot (where your work will be used in advertising materials for example) better have a written agreement about who owns the IP. Otherwise, it is more likely that the client owns the copyrights to the potos - generally speaking.


Aug 25, 2008 at 03:46 PM
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mostlyprudent, I really appreciate your responses and clarification of the issues and am sorry that I was not clear in my initial posting. I wasn't sure if all the details that are coming out now were relevant in the initial posting. Do apologize for that.

Additional clarification I need to make is that the images were taken for only one event. The Invitation cards are for inviting friends and family to attend the performance which is not a pulic event, but by invitation only. The clients will not use the images for any commercial purposes except for the sole purpose of the singular event of her performance (one off). Infact this one-time performance is a "graduation" dance whereafter she gets to gain a "title". Sorta a College Graduation where you get a Degree. It is similar to a graduation celebration, where the parents of the student, call me ahead of time to take some poses of the student so that they can put the student's mug shot on the custom made invitation card. Also they would use some of the images for the making big movie like posters to create a theme and also make flyers and brochures to describe the various items that the student will do during the party/event. No commercial use for the photos/images.

I have done commercial photography and have been careful to write all that details in the "agreement". This "pose" photo session is a unique concept for me at least and never thought that the other parties could claim rights to part of the image. I will be making appropriate changes to my agreement based on the info in this thread and I suggest that other members also take note. Again, it is highly unlikely (to the point of saying close to impossible) that anything/anyone will go to court. But it is always good to cover your bases. Worst case I can see is that the parents of the dancer will resind the rights for me to display/use the images in my portfolio/website/promotions/etc henceforth.

Noting from the many responses, it looks like a this thead should be saved for others in a similar situation.

Thanks

Kay Dee



Aug 25, 2008 at 04:12 PM
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kaydee wrote:
Some clarifications on the pose.

The poses are derived from an ancient form of Indian Dancing called Bharatnatyam. It is similar to Ballet where the dancers performance with the music tells a story.


My wife is a Bharatnatyam dancer, certified to teach and choreograph. According to her, most poses in Bharatnatyam are, like Yoga, hundreds or even thousands of years old. As you noted, the instructor in question may have invented a new pose, but it is unlikely to enjoy discrete copyright protection. The choreography employing a compilation of such poses, however, does enjoy copyright protection. Which leads to this point;

mostlyprudent wrote:

One of the fundamental requirements for copyright protection is "fixation". That is, the subject of the copyright must be fixed in one medium or another. Knowing how to pose someone, or telling them to pose themselves in a certain way is not copyrightable. Once it is photographed or videotaped you then have something that may be subject to protection by copyright law.


I seriously doubt fixation is an issue; hence my reluctance to address it. Fixation of choreographic works, particularly Indian classical dance, is easily accomplished. I have little doubt that most professional dance instructors videotape a dancer performing a choreography. The "bols" which verbally time out a dancers steps, and certain other notation systems, also "fix" most Bharatnatyam choreographies when they are written to a tangible medium. My wife tells me that such fixation is very common, if not ubiquitous, in the community of professional Bharatnatyam instructors. Hence, if the instructor had done any one of these things, her choreography is protected. Also, the following statement is somewhat misleading;

[T]hat picture/video becomes the "work" which is evaluated for copyright protection. So, think about things like costume, lighting, props, background, etc. All come together with the pose to create a copyrightable work.

A choreography, as decided by the district and appellate courts in Horgan v/ MacMillan, is the "flow of steps" governing a dancer's movement. Courts have not ruled expressly on the importance of lighting, props, costumes, and background elements. In my personal view they are not likely to undermine a choreography's protected status, unless the costume or prop is essential to the "flow of steps."

What is fundamentally accurate, however, is this; in general, individual poses in a dance are not copyrighted, unless those poses are central to the choreography's ultimate visual impact. In the OP's situation, I see little danger of infringement through photographing of a single pose.

Arka C.



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Aug 25, 2008 at 10:59 PM
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lordarka wrote:
I seriously doubt fixation is an issue; hence my reluctance to address it. Also, the following statement is somewhat misleading;

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Arka C.



You're getting close Arka, but still not quite getting it. Although the issues have changed as noted in my last post, Fixation is still critical to this question. I think your getting to the right answer, but your analysis is missing some things. Let me start by explaining the relevance of fixation in this case.

Ideas and concepts are not copyrightable. In fact performances are themselves not copyrightable. If I stand on the street and give a speech, the speech is not copyrightable unless someone records it. Let's say instead of a speech, it's a one man play. Again, not copyrightable unless and until it's recorded. If my one man play is only tape recorded, then only the spoken elements are copyrightable.

In the context of a dance performance, we have to look at what was recorded to evaluate what gets protected. We then have to evaluate that recording (video, photo, etc) and determine what constitutes the work subject to copyright. So, when someone says, "I own the rights to this pose," we have to see how and when it was fixed to determine the subject, if any, of the copyright.

Where we end up, depends in part on how the work was fixed. If the dance instructor took a photo of that same little girl, in the same pose wearing the same costume in the same studio...... Copyright is not hypothetical or theoretical. The protection is not for the concept, but the final fixed work.

If it's a choreographic presentation, the recording of the presentation is what grants copyright protection. Because the "flow of movements" makes up the majority of the work, that is what we evaluate as the work. A single pose in that work (as you say) will not be copyrightable, nor will a photograph of that pose be an infringement of the larger work. However, if the work that has been fixed is a photograph of that same pose by the dance instructor, the pose may become a more critical element. Still, it is not the pose, but the photo as a whole that is copyrighted.

One last comment and then I will leave this discussion. When copyright law first came into being, great effort and/or expense were required to "fix" a work. Why would anyone go to the work of writing, by hand, a novel if someone else could reproduce it and sell it as their own. So if you wanted protection of your song, oration, etc. you not only had to create/perform it, but record it. We have eliminated the work required to fix a work, and are left only with the creative process. The prevailing idea now is that copyright law attempts to balance protection/incentive for the author with the need for freedom of expression in the public domain (although courts have been running wild on the protection of authors as of late). Giving someone the copyright on a dance pose would be far too restrictive to those who want to express themselves through dance. Courts have long held that food recipes are not copyrightable, for example. Would we want one photographer to have the exclusive right to photograph a woman sitting on stone steps with her elbows on her knees and chin in hand? What we don't want is for someone to be able to freely make copies of a specific photo you just composed and recorded. If someone wants to try to recreate it on their own, fine.



Aug 26, 2008 at 08:37 AM
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This article may be of interest http://www.thestage.co.uk/connect/eagle/0519.php






Aug 26, 2008 at 10:22 AM
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tell the teacher to get over themselves. They just want to make a buck based on your talent. Tell the teacher to copyright this!


Aug 28, 2008 at 11:37 AM
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As someone that works in "Hollywood" I can say I've never come across this. Never! Can you copyright a Arabesque?

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