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Pavel
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p.2 #1 · Add FX to DX system or not worth the effort?


I like a really small tripod, because I hate carrying things, but it does not do for everything, so a heavy manfroto fills in for some occasions.

Aug 13, 2008 at 07:08 PM
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Pavel wrote:
I like a really small tripod, because I hate carrying things, but it does not do for everything, so a heavy manfroto fills in for some occasions.



Ah, I see, but then you do have two tripods, don't you?

Aug 13, 2008 at 07:55 PM
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razerx wrote:
Not sure if you need AF for travel + landscape. I would ditch everything and get the D700 + ZF25, ZF35, ZF50 and then the long zoom of your choice.


nice avatar!

Aug 13, 2008 at 08:01 PM
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Thanks guys. I probably should get a good, lighter tripod instead of a newer camera.

Aug 13, 2008 at 08:37 PM
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My advice is to go full frame. You will not go back.

Aug 13, 2008 at 11:01 PM
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I have to go to B&H the next time I'm in the city and play with one of those cameras.

Aug 14, 2008 at 12:41 AM
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Oh man, I love that store ... not good for NAS!!!!!

Aug 14, 2008 at 01:32 AM
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p.2 #8 · Add FX to DX system or not worth the effort?


Get a D300.

Aug 14, 2008 at 04:05 AM
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andrewd01 wrote:
My advice is to go full frame. You will not go back.


Full frame?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Aug 14, 2008 at 08:26 AM
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Yeah I know "full frame" is a badly used term. I meant of course 24 x 36mm in the context of Nikon cameras, but by all means go for the Hasselblad! For any given sensor technology, be it film emulsion or digital, larger sensor always wins.



Aug 14, 2008 at 04:47 PM
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That's the great thing about this forum; it illuminates a single, clear path.......

I'm going to throw in one thought: whichever format you go with, stick to that format, preferably with identical models. It cuts down mistakes when in a hurry....

Aug 14, 2008 at 05:18 PM
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andrewd01 wrote:
Yeah I know "full frame" is a badly used term. I meant of course 24 x 36mm in the context of Nikon cameras, but by all means go for the Hasselblad! For any given sensor technology, be it film emulsion or digital, larger sensor always wins.




I get annoyed with such blanket statements. No, the larger sensor does NOT always win for many reasons in many situations.

Aug 14, 2008 at 06:34 PM
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Andre Labonte wrote:
andrewd01 wrote:
Yeah I know "full frame" is a badly used term. I meant of course 24 x 36mm in the context of Nikon cameras, but by all means go for the Hasselblad! For any given sensor technology, be it film emulsion or digital, larger sensor always wins.




I get annoyed with such blanket statements. No, the larger sensor does NOT always win for many reasons in many situations.


Relax buddy, it's just my opinion. You are welcome to yours


Aug 15, 2008 at 04:29 PM
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andrewd01 wrote:
Andre Labonte wrote:
andrewd01 wrote:
Yeah I know "full frame" is a badly used term. I meant of course 24 x 36mm in the context of Nikon cameras, but by all means go for the Hasselblad! For any given sensor technology, be it film emulsion or digital, larger sensor always wins.




I get annoyed with such blanket statements. No, the larger sensor does NOT always win for many reasons in many situations.


Relax buddy, it's just my opinion. You are welcome to yours



I'm perfectly relaxed ... I just get annoyed by false statements and your statement was false! There are times when smaller sensors have advantages. Larger does not equal better. If that were the case, large format would rule photography and it does not. In fact, it can't even compete on high ISO performance which is supposedly the primary justification for the "larger is better" mantra.

The correct question is: Better for what? What suits your application is what is important, not the format size. Of course that would require thinking ....

Aug 15, 2008 at 04:37 PM
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yeah fair enough. I suppose I was being a bit provocative by saying larger sensor always wins. It certainly does for any sort of landscape work which I am interested in and the Op expressed some interest in. For sports/wildlife etc the weight and cost of long glass is much more for larger sensor cameras. However if you took cost out of the equation I'd take the FX over DX for sports/wildlife too. Dx sensor cameras have a place for travel photography when you want to travel light.

Aug 15, 2008 at 08:44 PM
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As an exercise in discipline: ask yourself what you would buy if you were starting from scratch and had to find the cheapest route to getting the shots you need. Set an upper limit of the budget you have (no stretching!). Then, once you have that answer, see what differences there are between that path and what you already have.

With the gear you have, and the additional budget you have, I don't see FX as a really great choice. It'll work fine... I just think you're a little funds-limited to really make the switch and make a substantial jump forward in your images. Besides, you've already gotten some good advice on how to go FX if you choose to do that. I'll explore the DX route.

First, sell off the stuff that's not ideal. The Sigma 24mm and the Nikon 35-70 are entirely or mostly duplicated by the 17-55 which is a killer lens on DX. The 70-210 should go too, and if you're not thrilled by the Sigma 10-20 then toss it as well... you need to like what you have.

The big changes I'd suggest are to buy a D300, and to upgrade your 50/1.8 to a 50/1.4. That aperture gain, and the D300's far better low-light performance, will fix many of your troubles. If you already have a 2540 tripod, use it! If you don't use it because you don't carry it, then either carry it or sell it. If you sell it, get a lighter one that you will carry, and use.

There's a lot of redundancy in that gear list. Try to slim down somewhat first, and really be clear about what you need, and what you don't have. Keep a backup body, of course, but choose carefully between the D200 and D70 based on what you use it for and what you need out of it.

Aug 16, 2008 at 11:06 PM
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^^^^^ Nicely Put Rodolfo!

Aug 16, 2008 at 11:12 PM
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andrewd01 wrote:
However if you took cost out of the equation I'd take the FX over DX for sports/wildlife too.


I'd just written a long post correcting your "larger-always-wins" opinion when I noticed you had corrected it. Had to delete the post. I'll add one more consideration here, too: cost is not the only consideration there. Weight is a substantial consideration as well.

Last year in Africa, they told me I could only bring 30 pounds of luggage. I snuck around with 40, but still... it limits what bodies/lenses you can bring. And I just spent a week at Oshkosh doing 6 hours a day of shooting on the flightline. I'd pay extra for the privilege of using my D300 with 200-400 combo, as opposed to having a D3 with 300 and 600 primes.

Aug 16, 2008 at 11:19 PM
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Rodolfo Paiz wrote:
andrewd01 wrote:
However if you took cost out of the equation I'd take the FX over DX for sports/wildlife too.


I'd just written a long post correcting your "larger-always-wins" opinion when I noticed you had corrected it. Had to delete the post. I'll add one more consideration here, too: cost is not the only consideration there. Weight is a substantial consideration as well.

Last year in Africa, they told me I could only bring 30 pounds of luggage. I snuck around with 40, but still... it limits what bodies/lenses you can bring. And I just spent a week at Oshkosh doing 6 hours a day of shooting on the flightline. I'd pay extra for the privilege of using my D300 with 200-400 combo, as opposed to having a D3 with 300 and 600 primes.



^^^^ Also nicely put.

I will add that unless you are driving ISO up to 1600 or higher, you will be hard pressed to tell the difference between FX and DX. At ISO 400 or lower, you can't tell the difference. Most of the sports I do I'm shooting at ISO 200-400, so why pay more for FX and larger lenses? Why carry around the extra weight? Why loose the ease of use of my zoom and be forced to switch to primes?

Don't get me wrong, FX is great for its uses as you (Andrew) and many others have stated. But DX is equally useful for more that just cost. Size, weight, compactness and ultimately reach (put a 600mm lens on a DX format cam and you get a 900mm FX FOV).

Edited on Aug 16, 2008 at 11:32 PM


Aug 16, 2008 at 11:32 PM
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