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Archive 2008 · 1D MKII N for a 40D? Crazy?

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p.2 #1 · 1D MKII N for a 40D? Crazy?

Yep, crazy.

Aug 04, 2008 at 09:28 PM

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p.2 #2 · 1D MKII N for a 40D? Crazy?

PaulCal wrote:
Tell me I am crazy!
But I am seriously considering dumping my 1 D MKII n and getting a 40D

My reasons are
1.Weight of the 1 D
2.I miss the 1.6 crop factor (coming from an XT)
3. 10 vs 8 megapixels (not a big deal)
4. cost difference is a savings of about $1500- Is there 1500 worth of advantage to lugging around the extra weight and bulk of the 1 D?
5. Some of the work I have seen out of the 40 D is superb as well as the 1 D

For those of you who have used both what are your thots
The one area I am concerned about is the ability of the 40D to focus accurately on moving subjects like BIF

Thanks for your response

if you main goal is sports or tricky tracking of animals/birds going all over i would not dump it, if oyu don't care about that stuff at all, then the liveview on the 40D is helpful for static low DOF and landscape work, the small size is nice, I actuall ylike the UI better, etc. IMO the AF system on the 1dmkiin blows away the 40D's, but otherwise there are lots of things that are nice about the 40D.

But, at this point in time may as well at least wait and see what the 5dmkii/7d/3d is/are or perhaps even if the 50d gets better action AF since you already have a cam in hand.

when I shoot basketball or field sports (or sometimes birds) I wish i had a mkiin, otherwise I'm mostly glad i have a 40d.

Aug 04, 2008 at 10:21 PM

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p.2 #3 · 1D MKII N for a 40D? Crazy?

Crazy.

Aug 04, 2008 at 10:32 PM

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p.2 #4 · 1D MKII N for a 40D? Crazy?

Peter Kotsa wrote:

Admittedly the 1DmkIIn absolutely hammers when it comes to focus speed and shutter speed.

I was pretty sure the shutter speeds were the same on both cameras

Aug 04, 2008 at 10:38 PM

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p.2 #5 · 1D MKII N for a 40D? Crazy?

Imagemaster wrote:
Peter Kotsa wrote:

Admittedly the 1DmkIIn absolutely hammers when it comes to focus speed and shutter speed.

I was pretty sure the shutter speeds were the same on both cameras

No when my 1D II is @ 1/500 it leaves my 40D @ 1/500 for dead

Aug 05, 2008 at 02:48 AM

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p.2 #6 · 1D MKII N for a 40D? Crazy?

Well I have both the 1DMkII & a 40D.
I like both for all the benefits stated.
But with BIF, the MkII AF is hands down better.
Yes, the two-button shuffle is at times awkward, but I am getting used to it.
So as long as I can, I will keep both

I know, someones going to say, "sell them both and get a MkIII" or "get a 1DsMkII"
Maybe I will.

Dan

Aug 05, 2008 at 03:15 AM

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p.2 #7 · 1D MKII N for a 40D? Crazy?

I wouldn't say crazy, but I would say "Not thinking clearly."

The single biggest factor in image quality is focus accuracy.
Maybe people will dispute this, but certainly the biggest cause for
throw-aways in my shooting has been misfocused shots. A 30D
with a good, inexpensive prime will produce _very_ sweet image quality.
So, the 1DIIn (same resolution, wonderful AF) should give consistently
wonderful results. I don't think 14-bit files, or live view, or more megapixels
will make up for nailing the focus.

Stay with the great focusing body.

Aug 05, 2008 at 03:52 AM

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p.2 #8 · 1D MKII N for a 40D? Crazy?

Pixel Perfect wrote:

No when my 1D II is @ 1/500 it leaves my 40D @ 1/500 for dead

1/500 secs. is 1/500 secs. on any camera.

Aug 05, 2008 at 04:29 AM

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p.2 #9 · 1D MKII N for a 40D? Crazy?

You're not crazy, I sold my mk2 and bought a 20d, and did it mostly for the weight. I was going to get a 40D but really wanted full frame. In the end I decided to wait and see how the 5d2, d700, and sony ff compare.

Aug 05, 2008 at 04:39 AM

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p.2 #10 · 1D MKII N for a 40D? Crazy?

Sold my two 40D's for one Mark II. Absolutely no regrets. But I would agree with those who say that your decision should be based on your intended use of the camera. For me, there is no going back.

Aug 05, 2008 at 04:48 AM

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p.2 #11 · 1D MKII N for a 40D? Crazy?

Long-time readers on this forum will know that I'm a magnet for defective gear but my 40D was far more defective than my 1D2, and yet supposedly within specs. My 40D was so bad that I got rid of it. The AF system was nowhere near as good as that of the 1D2 but it ought to have been pretty good. Even if both worked correctly, 9-point is usually inferior to 45-point if any focus tracking is required. Of course that will not apply if you just use a single AF sensor on the 45-point camera but that would be a relatively silly or at least wasteful thing to do

The weight difference is not a big deal when you use a big enough lens. Lenses are the great weight equalisers. Monopods help too. In fact,when you consider all of the kit you take with you the difference between a 1D2 and 40D can be insignificant.

- Alan

Aug 05, 2008 at 05:32 AM

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p.2 #12 · 1D MKII N for a 40D? Crazy?

Imagemaster wrote:

1/500 secs. is 1/500 secs. on any camera.

Not if your camera is traveling at the speed of light.

Aug 05, 2008 at 06:35 AM

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p.2 #13 · 1D MKII N for a 40D? Crazy?

Crazy.

There has yet to be a camera that would convince me to dump my 1-series for it. I've used a lot of bodies - 1DIII, 5D, 40D, 30D, D3, D300, D700 - and love my 1DII. Sure, some things could be better. But that's like the rest of life, isn't it?

And even then, I don't mind the weight. I love 1.3x over 1.6x or even 1.0x. Those 1DII/N 8MP look way better than the 40D's 10MP. The price... well, you already have the 1DIIN! And I've seen some amazing work with a Rebel, too. Or a P&S for that matter.

The choice is up to you. I just don't think going down a model is a good idea. It's like going from a BMW to a Honda. Just not the same thing, you know?

Aug 05, 2008 at 06:51 AM

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p.2 #14 · 1D MKII N for a 40D? Crazy?

Pixel Perfect wrote: No when my 1D II is @ 1/500 it leaves my 40D @ 1/500 for dead

Imagemaster wrote: 1/500 secs. is 1/500 secs. on any camera.

No criticism, but please explain?

Edited on Aug 05, 2008 at 07:07 AM

Aug 05, 2008 at 07:05 AM

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p.2 #15 · 1D MKII N for a 40D? Crazy?

Imagemaster wrote:
Pixel Perfect wrote:

No when my 1D II is @ 1/500 it leaves my 40D @ 1/500 for dead

1/500 secs. is 1/500 secs. on any camera.

yes, but not on a superior 1 series, that's why it's a 1 series, its fast is faster than your fast.

it's due to a special patent canon has on spacetime, ask pixel perfect for the details.

Edited by skibum5 on Aug 06, 2008 at 11:06 PM GMT

Edited on Aug 07, 2008 at 04:06 AM

Aug 05, 2008 at 07:09 AM

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p.2 #16 · 1D MKII N for a 40D? Crazy?

C . R . A . A . A . . . . . . Z

Edited on Aug 05, 2008 at 07:16 AM

Aug 05, 2008 at 07:15 AM

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p.2 #17 · 1D MKII N for a 40D? Crazy?

skibum5 wrote:
Imagemaster wrote:
Pixel Perfect wrote:

No when my 1D II is @ 1/500 it leaves my 40D @ 1/500 for dead

1/500 secs. is 1/500 secs. on any camera.

yes, but not on a superior 1 series, that's why it's a 1 series, it's fast is faster than your fast.

it's due to a special patent canon has on spacetime, ask pixel perfect for the details.

Pixel Perfect, details please.

Aug 05, 2008 at 01:31 PM

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p.2 #18 · 1D MKII N for a 40D? Crazy?

Imagemaster, he cant give details. Its a spacetime thing, if he tells too many people he risks causing continuum problems that enable people to alter the future and the past.

It happens a lot in Australia, we are currently fighting a never ending war with robots from future England who are trying to turn our vegemite into marmite.

Aug 05, 2008 at 01:45 PM

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p.2 #19 · 1D MKII N for a 40D? Crazy?

And here I thought it just had something to do with Aussies using their cameras up-side-down.

Aug 05, 2008 at 02:29 PM

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p.2 #20 · 1D MKII N for a 40D? Crazy?

Well you hear how good AF on 40d is when in AI servo mode and then you read following:

http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-8740-9068-9537

According to canon, 40d AF is 30% better than 30d. I have no experince with 40d but 30d is crap (if I can use the word) in AI servo mode when compared to my 1dmk2. This is using canon superteles.

Aug 05, 2008 at 03:35 PM

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p.2 #21 · 1D MKII N for a 40D? Crazy?

It is up to you, Scooter. I HATED the 1.6 sensor from day one - I went from a 10d (about the size and weight of a 5d) to the 1dm2n and the 1.3 sensor and am so happy I get some of my wide angle back. I would have gone for a 1dsm2, but I got to where I needed a bigger screen to see the damn thing.

I've got large hands - and could never get comfortable shooting an XTi. So the size of the 1dm2n is not a concern for me. The added weight helps seady me - again, the XTi was too light and too small for me to steady.

The real reason for the change was the better AF system on the 1-series - infinately better than the old 10d. The XTi ended up with the 30d focusing system, and that just did not cut it, either. I know the 40d has additional cross-point af sensors, and other improvements...

I could never go back to a 1.6 sensor - maybe not even the 5d - two reasons - The AF as already stated, and why in Gods green earth these camera makers insist on sub-100% viewfinders on non-pro cameras (including the 5d) is beyond me. I think I'm capable of framing the shot and not cutting off someone's head - 96% coverage just does not cut it. With a 96% finder, automatically, I'm losing 4% of the pixels I paid for - if it ain't in the viewfinder, I don't want it... and that's before I crop it to fit.

All that said, the 40d is the camera for some, and not for others. It ain't for me.

Aug 05, 2008 at 03:58 PM

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p.2 #22 · 1D MKII N for a 40D? Crazy?

I sold my IIN and kept the 40D for now (I had thoughts of getting a MK III at the beginning of next year but after RG's comments, I don't know that I will - I may go the 5D replacement route). My reasons were smaller/lighter body for travel and I am not a pro so I didn't "need" the big step up that the IIN offered. However, if the 40D hadn't been a BIG step up from the 20D, I would never have gotten rid of my IIN.

The 40D is more than capable for youth sports and BIF - beyond that I don't know. The AF and tracking works great for me - MUCH better than 20D but of course not IIN quality.

I may not know what I am talking about tho because if I understood RG's comments, he doesn't think the 40D AF is anything to be happy with. I have been more than happy with mine using a 300 2.8IS and 400 5.6....whatever that is worth.

Aug 05, 2008 at 04:22 PM

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p.2 #23 · 1D MKII N for a 40D? Crazy?

I sold my 40D to purchase a Mark II N. Absolutely the best thing I've ever done. The Mark II N makes me money. The AF is faster, the FPS is higher, It is by far the superior camera. It has some quirks with the 2 finger buttons, but the shots, in my opinion are much better than the 40D.

Aug 05, 2008 at 05:02 PM

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p.2 #24 · 1D MKII N for a 40D? Crazy?

I wouldn’t call anyone crazy for making a gear choice to suit their preference. The 40D is a stellar camera and the autofocus is superior to that of the previous xxD models (which doesn’t make it the equal of the 1D series, but it’s still good). It’s small without being so small it feels like a toy, light, and the batteries and charger are easy to pack. Live view’s a great feature for landscape photography. Having the three custom settings on the dial can be a real time saver, and the xxD series finally got replaceable focus screens with this model. There is a lot to love about the 40D, and you shouldn’t be made to question your sanity for considering it over the mIIn. If it’s a better fit, then do it. If the mIIn has something the 40D doesn't that you'll regret losing, then don't.

Edited on Aug 05, 2008 at 05:21 PM

Aug 05, 2008 at 05:19 PM

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p.2 #25 · 1D MKII N for a 40D? Crazy?

I will tell you of my experience. I bought a 5D because using a 1D mkII as a walk around was stretching my arm to a couple inches longer than the other. I really like the 5D, but I really liked the feel of my 1D mk II.

The answer? For sports, I bought a used 1d mkI for $650, so I have it for it's weather, speed and build. I didn't need the large file sizes for the sports photos, so I think I have the best of all worlds. I think you would feel the same with the 40D and the 1D mkI.

Just my 2 cents....

Aug 07, 2008 at 02:35 AM


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