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James Markus
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Yakim, I could easily shoot this in a single shot, but my cat would probably never want to model for me again. Plus, it would have been cruel to scare her so. This way I get what I want, and Ciara doesn't have such drama.


Jul 25, 2008 at 08:27 PM
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I understand your reasoning and would probably have done the same if I were in your shoes (and if I knew how to do this…. ) but it's just that I am a bit conservative about PS. I don't mind this if it is obvious (e.g. http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/669830) but such things are harder for me to digest.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.



Jul 27, 2008 at 07:39 AM
James Markus
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Yakim, It is a philosophical question. I believe in the "painting with light" school, and you sound like you prefer the "light scribe" school. (These are terms I use). I can assure that what I did to this photo, and indeed Endre's photo - were done decades before the computer even existed...let alone Photoshop. I did it the old way for many years. Masking, burning, dodging 100's of photos per week for advertising. I approach photography with something in my minds eye...a loose construct, or a very detailed vision. Then I try and make it a reality. A camera is one tool to do this, but if you think about it. There is nothing (no tool) that can capture the 3D reality you see or envisage. A photo is a 2D representation of a 3D reality. I'm pretty mild in my photos, and tend towards straight captures quite often. But great photos are rarely candid captures. They are planned, tweaked, setup, artificially lit, scripted....etc.


Jul 27, 2008 at 12:44 PM
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I know what you mean. My father did this approximately 35 years ago with 6X6 film when I was a child. He printed my face on top of his forehead as if to say he is thinking of me. Always thought about this pic as a bit odd….

I agree that it indeed is a philosophical question but I can't agree with the notion that great photos are rarely candid captures. Some are, others aren't. Now we can really get philosophical…..

I guess I need to learn PS a bit more to get out of this conservatism. Problem is, I expect this to happen in about 20 years, when my kids will move out of the house and I am retired….

Happy shooting,
Yakim.



Jul 27, 2008 at 01:27 PM
 

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Yakim,

My opinion is that you simply have to find your own boundaries of what you are comfortable doing in photography. I have had this discussion with journalist/photographers for years. They believe to alter the photo in any way is deceitful, and dishonest. I have pointed out that composition alone can completely change the reality of what actually occurred. Journalist use to use flash quite often, and they adjust images to mimic the human eye's dynamic range etc. Many believe they merely record an event, but through the above examples they can project their bias, and their POV. Sure, in journalism you can't draw out distracting parts of the image, or overly retouch. But, photography is far broader field than journalism. And photo journalism is not a record of reality - try as they might, and as close as they get.

I produce images to effect the viewer, to convey my feeling, or vision. An idealized reality, reality as I see it, or a plausible reality, and even a fantasy reality. Instead of using paint and a brush - I use light and the absence of light. It is not deceitful - it is art. When it's not art, then it tends towards capturing something most people don't get a chance to see - (I'm thinking of Bird Photos, Landscapes, Cityscapes, Seacapes etc). My boundaries in Photography are broad, some will be broader, and some narrower than I.

The most poignant example of this philosophical question that I can think of is a winning photo of the year by an AP about 10 years ago. The photographer was in Sudan (I think) waiting for a young boy to fall over from starvation...as a group of vultures stood (as big as the boy) within mere arms reach of the boy. As he waited for the right time to capture the moment he struggled within himself about should he help the boy or record the imminent death. He thought about the chocolate bar he had in his pocket....how well fed he was...could he actually yank this kid back from the edge of death's door. He took the photo, and left the boy. A few years later he committed suicide, because of his decision. Detached professionalism on the razors edge of ethics. See, I could never be a photojournalist, because my nature is to get involved. I am not saying that photo journalism puts the photo before humanity. I'm just illustrating going over the edge of right and wrong (IMO) in the "purist" view of straight capture. Examples of altered photos (the other side of the philosophical question) stepping over this line happen quite often (IMO), and are easier to point out. That last bit is a subjective opinion.

Happy Shooting to you too..
Jim

Yakim Peled wrote:
I know what you mean. My father did this approximately 35 years ago with 6X6 film when I was a child. He printed my face on top of his forehead as if to say he is thinking of me. Always thought about this pic as a bit odd….

I agree that it indeed is a philosophical question but I can't agree with the notion that great photos are rarely candid captures. Some are, others aren't. Now we can really get philosophical…..

I guess I need to learn PS a bit more to get out of this conservatism. Problem is,
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Jul 27, 2008 at 04:25 PM
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Hi James,

I do not believe that altering a photo in any way is deceitful or dishonest and I do agree with you that it is art. I just think that whenever such an image is shown, it should be noted immediately by the photographer that it is altered, that's all. In some cases it is obvious (e.g. Strad's picture) so I don't really need such a note but in others (e.g. yours) it is not.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.




Jul 28, 2008 at 06:23 AM
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p.2 #7 · p.2 #7 · #304 Ciara's Shelter


Hi Jim,
I don't know what all the 'fuss' is about....bottom line is....this is one amazing capture, and a finalist for sure! As the owner of a rescued Black Beauty very much like the one in your image, (see my Gallery,) I may be a little prejudice but I think this is a stunning shot.

There's no rule at FM that says one must give away their secrets, or even that it's necessary to mention when an image has been given a 'Photoshop' tweak at all.

Photography is what it is, be it art or photojournalism, but in this forum, the only rules that apply are Fred's rules, and the deadlines. Let that suffice.

Philly





Jul 30, 2008 at 06:23 PM
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