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p.3 #1 · 5D to 1DSMK2?

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Unless you NEED the 1 series body or 1 series AF, I would actually stick with the 5D, and wait for the 5D's replacement, or consider the 1DsIII. The 5D has newer image processing technology than the 1DsII. I've found that it meant the 1DsII has more noise in the shadow regions even at low ISO.

The 1ds II has more shadow noise than the 5D because it doesn't have as heavy of a noise reduction built in.

It also maintains more shadow detail then the 5D.

Jul 25, 2008 at 05:10 AM

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p.3 #2 · 5D to 1DSMK2?

Brent Ward wrote:
Ben Horne wrote:
Unless you NEED the 1 series body or 1 series AF, I would actually stick with the 5D, and wait for the 5D's replacement, or consider the 1DsIII. The 5D has newer image processing technology than the 1DsII. I've found that it meant the 1DsII has more noise in the shadow regions even at low ISO.

The 1ds II has more shadow noise than the 5D because it doesn't have as heavy of a noise reduction built in.

It also maintains more shadow detail then the 5D.

I only shoot with them in the RAW mode, so the noise reduction really should not be a concern there. I just found that the shadow areas of the 1DsII were quite gritty compared to the 5D. Both are very good cameras though.

Jul 25, 2008 at 05:53 PM

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p.3 #3 · 5D to 1DSMK2?

Having some time on my hands today, weather sunny and found an old barn type building with lots of detailed areas. I was mainly trying to compare my 17-40 against my sigma 20mm 1.8 on my 1ds and mk2 bodies but things went on a bit from there and I landed up throwing in the 1dsmk3 and Contax 35-70.

I never wanted anything more in my life than to see the mk3 put up a superb performance. I knew the 17-40 and Sigma 20 weren`t going to shine on the mk3 from previous tests and that wasn`t the object of the test anyway but always rested back on the Contax with the 1dsmk3 where performance was very good.

On the 1ds the 17-40 and sigma 20 are good(very good in fact )but you still have the 11 million pixels that have to be upsized for stock work and that levels out the playing field somewhat.
The 17-40 and Sigma 20 do not shine on the mk3 (I`ve got to do some more tests to define for sure whether it is AF or just the chip out resolving the lenses) but from what I`m seeing and shooting at F10 @17mm I`m erring away from the AF.(BTW weather hot 27 degrees and bright sun)

My findings today are as I have said on other threads that the 1dsmk2 is still the best compromise, 17-40 and sigma 20 work fine on the 1dsmk2 and having never actually tried the Contax on the mk2 till today I was surprised by just how well that lens performed on the mk2. The image file size is just at the stock library minimum size so with careful composition you can use all of the res. OK, the mk2 isn`t a patch on the mk3 with regards features and lcd, live view etc but from what I`m seeing the 1dsmk2 is the camera that I can trust knowing that if I do my bit I should land up with a high keeper rate.

I say again that if Canon(and others) are going to start producing res starting to approach 30 million pixels then IMHO something has got to change.

These are just my findings and your mileage may differ but I can only go by what my eyes are seeing. (I`ve recently laid out for new spectacles so that side is sorted

Dave

Jul 25, 2008 at 08:00 PM

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p.3 #4 · 5D to 1DSMK2?

I think you can get the 5D mkII by the end of Oct. The IQ probably will be superior on the new 5D. At a minimum, it will be equal. The newer canon tech. is superior to what you would get in a used 1DsII. Complex colors (landscapes) are truer.

I currently have the 5D and the 1DIII. I really don't like the big form factor of the 1 series, except with big lenses. So I'm a little biased against the 1DsII/III.

Jul 25, 2008 at 08:12 PM

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p.3 #5 · 5D to 1DSMK2?

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I think you can get the 5D mkII by the end of Oct. The IQ probably will be superior on the new 5D. At a minimum, it will be equal. The newer canon tech. is superior to what you would get in a used 1DsII. Complex colors (landscapes) are truer.

Just as the 5D wasn't necessarily better in "most" aspects than the 1Ds, the 5D2 will not necessarily be better in "most" aspects than the 1Ds2. You won't know until you see, and even then it's not clear how obvious it will be.

Jul 26, 2008 at 05:19 AM

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Jul 26, 2008 at 05:33 AM

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p.3 #7 · 5D to 1DSMK2?

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choiboyogg wrote:
well i have both.
had the 5d for sometime and purchased a 1ds2 back in sept.
if you plan on shooting weddings with the 1ds2, id say reconsider it.
1. the files are overkill
2. the camera is too heavy, especially with the RRS L plate
3. the 1ds2 is not great in low light, 5d is much faster
4. lcd is so tiny, hard to see in bright light

otherwise, for portraits, the 1ds2 is much better.

if you can only have one, just ask yourself what you plan on shooting.

can be an upgrade, can be a downgrade

I guess that's why so many accomplished and highly skilled professional photographers use the 1DSMK2.

The 1DS2 was the best among a long collection starting with the d30...I finally sold everything as my health went out the window...but I look at the 1Ds2 prints and smile every time. Quite a camera!

Jul 26, 2008 at 07:44 AM

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p.3 #8 · 5D to 1DSMK2?

I shoot with both cameras.

I find the 5D's strength is the size and portability. The 5D with the 35L, no hood, is a perfect walkaround combo.. but I'm always in low light situations and I find that both my 35L and 85L will lock AF quicker and more accurately on my 1Ds II vs. the 5D.

Servo performance on the 1Ds II appeared to trump the 5D the other day when I was shooting with the 300 2.8.

The screen on the 5D is bigger, however it's very dependant on the amount of ambient light - your images might look over/under exposed so watch that histogram or you might be in for a surprise when you get the files on the PC. For low ISO shots, I find that they're roughly on-par as far as a full image goes but the 5D has the edge for lower noise on a per-pixel basis.

There are a few newer features on the 5D such as the ISO setting shown in viewfinder when changing (which is why I prefer this cam in low light), the ability to tell my 580EX not to fire but still use the AF assist (I can't find the CF on the 1Ds II - can someone enlighten me here?), the user interface...

But the reduced shutter lag, build quality and ruggedness of the 1Ds II are why for any situation I don't need something smaller, it's always my camera of choice... and sometimes the extra cropping latitude is worth it.

If you're just after some higher ISO sensitivity, wait for the next Canon. We might actually see an improvement with metering, too, which would be very nice given that Canon are several years behind Nikon here....

Good luck!

Jul 27, 2008 at 06:11 AM

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p.3 #9 · 5D to 1DSMK2?

kevinsullivan wrote:
The downsides to the 1DsII include

* tiny (20D-like) LCD --- can't really use it to check critical focus=

The 20D screen is 1.8" vs. the 2" on the 1Ds II - and is also half the resolution....

The 1Ds II's LCD is also the same res as the 5D.. and the new mark III/40D bodies. Now, if you want to see an amazing LCD, check out a D3...

Jul 27, 2008 at 06:17 AM

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p.3 #10 · 5D to 1DSMK2?

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There are a few newer features on the 5D such as the ISO setting shown in viewfinder when changing (which is why I prefer this cam in low light)

The 1Ds2 I used to own for 3 years could do that.

Edited on Jul 27, 2008 at 06:22 AM

Jul 27, 2008 at 06:22 AM

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p.3 #11 · 5D to 1DSMK2?

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EvilZardoz wrote:
There are a few newer features on the 5D such as the ISO setting shown in viewfinder when changing (which is why I prefer this cam in low light)

The 1Ds2 I used to own for 3 years could do that.

The ISO is still present in the viewfinder when set to do so (and this is what I use) however it doesn't show the ISO while I am changing it (i.e. the numbers don't display while I have the ISO change buttons down but when I release them, the ISO shows again). This was fixed in the 1D IIN and should have been a firmware fix for the 1Ds II...

Jul 27, 2008 at 07:22 AM

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p.3 #12 · 5D to 1DSMK2?

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EvilZardoz wrote:
There are a few newer features on the 5D such as the ISO setting shown in viewfinder when changing (which is why I prefer this cam in low light)

The 1Ds2 I used to own for 3 years could do that.

Tell me your secret Stan because I just checked mine (8:02 AM EST) and the VF blacks out when changing ISO

[It also flashes a message "ask Stan, ask Stan"]

Edited on Jul 27, 2008 at 12:03 PM

Jul 27, 2008 at 12:02 PM

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p.3 #13 · 5D to 1DSMK2?

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dcmiller wrote:
I think you can get the 5D mkII by the end of Oct. The IQ probably will be superior on the new 5D. At a minimum, it will be equal. The newer canon tech. is superior to what you would get in a used 1DsII. Complex colors (landscapes) are truer.

Just as the 5D wasn't necessarily better in "most" aspects than the 1Ds, the 5D2 will not necessarily be better in "most" aspects than the 1Ds2. You won't know until you see, and even then it's not clear how obvious it will be.

The OP stated that "Most of my shots are landscape, travel, and street"

I stand by what I said. Canon may be boring, but their product roll-outs are predictable. The newest digic version (and maybe 14 bit) is better than the mkII series for his stated purpose.

Jul 27, 2008 at 02:58 PM

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p.3 #14 · 5D to 1DSMK2?

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EvilZardoz wrote:
There are a few newer features on the 5D such as the ISO setting shown in viewfinder when changing (which is why I prefer this cam in low light)

The 1Ds2 I used to own for 3 years could do that.

Tell me your secret Stan because I just checked mine (8:02 AM EST) and the VF blacks out when changing ISO

[It also flashes a message "ask Stan, ask Stan"]

Ok, I may be talking out of my @$$ here, and since I have sold my 1Ds2 some 8 months ago, I can't easily go verify it. But I _think_ there was a custom / personal function which switched the displays around, and the ISO was displayed in the top LCD and the viewfinder LCD (instead of the frame counter, which I found useless anyway). Again, I may be wrong, but I could swear that's how I used my 1Ds and 1Ds2 for some 5 years combined.... but then again, haven't used one in a while.

Jul 28, 2008 at 06:26 AM

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p.3 #15 · 5D to 1DSMK2?

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dcmiller wrote:
I think you can get the 5D mkII by the end of Oct. The IQ probably will be superior on the new 5D. At a minimum, it will be equal. The newer canon tech. is superior to what you would get in a used 1DsII. Complex colors (landscapes) are truer.

Just as the 5D wasn't necessarily better in "most" aspects than the 1Ds, the 5D2 will not necessarily be better in "most" aspects than the 1Ds2. You won't know until you see, and even then it's not clear how obvious it will be.

The OP stated that "Most of my shots are landscape, travel, and street"

I stand by what I said. Canon may be boring, but their product roll-outs are predictable. The newest digic version (and maybe 14 bit) is better than the mkII series for his stated purpose.

Yeah, when it came to street, then the 5D will eat the 1Ds1 after sunset. But if Canon is indeed predictable and sells the 5D2 with the 40D AF, as we are all afraid that they will, I think the 1Ds2 may win on the street, even if some of the image quality ends up being inferior (which is yet to be seen), simply because it will get the shot, while the 40D, er excuse me 5D2, won't be able to focus. Having been a 40D and 1Ds2 owner at the same time, I can tell you that at least my 1Ds2 could run circles around my 40D in every aspect other than frame rate, and very much especially in the AF department.

Again, this is all silly speculation until the 5D2 (or whatever) is out and people peeped on the first pixels, and photographed their first cars from a bridge. Nor was the OP about the 5D2

Jul 28, 2008 at 06:32 AM

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p.3 #16 · 5D to 1DSMK2?

stanj wrote:
John Power wrote:
stanj wrote:
EvilZardoz wrote:
There are a few newer features on the 5D such as the ISO setting shown in viewfinder when changing (which is why I prefer this cam in low light)

The 1Ds2 I used to own for 3 years could do that.

Tell me your secret Stan because I just checked mine (8:02 AM EST) and the VF blacks out when changing ISO

[It also flashes a message "ask Stan, ask Stan"]

stanj wrote:
Having been a 40D and 1Ds2 owner at the same time, I can tell you that at least my 1Ds2 could run circles around my 40D in every aspect other than frame rate, and very much especially in the AF department.

Got my travel 40D yesterday, so it's also confirmed

Edited on Jul 28, 2008 at 08:33 AM

Jul 28, 2008 at 07:58 AM

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p.3 #17 · 5D to 1DSMK2?

I believe the question was if one could see the ISO change as it was happening.

Jul 28, 2008 at 12:51 PM

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p.3 #18 · 5D to 1DSMK2?

John Power wrote:
I believe the question was if one could see the ISO change as it was happening.

Just like you have said John. ISO update can not be seen in VF during ISO changes. Only top LCD has ISO update in realtime. However, VF resumes ISO info when camera is back to normal shooting mode.

Edited on Jul 29, 2008 at 06:15 AM

Jul 29, 2008 at 03:47 AM

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p.3 #19 · 5D to 1DSMK2?

rebel300 wrote:

The 1DS2 was the best among a long collection starting with the d30...I finally sold everything as my health went out the window...but I look at the 1Ds2 prints and smile every time. Quite a camera!

Larry, I hope you'll get well !

Aug 05, 2008 at 01:32 AM


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