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p.2 #1 · 5D to 1DSMK2?

John Power wrote:
Brent Ward wrote:
If you shoot with studio strobes the flash sync difference alone is worth it.

The 1ds II files take more PP to get to the same point as the 5d straight from camera, but there is a quality improvement when it's done.

If you say it Brent, I believe it....

I wouldn't steer you wrong John.

Jul 20, 2008 at 02:02 AM

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p.2 #2 · 5D to 1DSMK2?

Your stuff is so good you could tell me an instamatic was the camera to have and I'd go buy it

Jul 20, 2008 at 03:52 AM

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p.2 #3 · 5D to 1DSMK2?

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Your stuff is so good you could tell me an instamatic was the camera to have and I'd go buy it

!

I'm at the point of getting rid of my canon gear so I can get into a MFDB. The prices are just getting too low on that stuff not to make the jump. I just can't see a huge difference in the 1ds III to continue shooting canon. I'm stuck in the studio 24/7 anymore anyway.

Now where did I put that kodak disc camera...

Jul 20, 2008 at 04:35 AM

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p.2 #4 · 5D to 1DSMK2?

At least you will say that. Many refuse to admit that the improvement was, at most, incremental. Wonder why that is.

Another question Brent. For the guy who is shooting some sports, a few birds, his kid's birthday party, a family vacation etc., etc, are the MFDBs even relevant? Aren't they really designed for commercial applications where you have to squeeze every inch of detail ,color, contrast, etc., etc out of the shoot? In other words, even if everyman has the cash, would buying into the technology even make any sense?

(This is what I like about this forum, you can ask a question to someone who really does know what he or she is doing. I always get a kick out of sitting in a bar and listening to a couple non-lawyers talk about DUI cases, what to do if stopped, the breath machine, potential penalties and so forth. Some of the stuff they say and think brings a smile to my face)

Edited by John Power on Jul 20, 2008 at 09:16 AM GMT

Edited on Jul 20, 2008 at 02:16 PM

Jul 20, 2008 at 01:11 PM

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p.2 #5 · 5D to 1DSMK2?

QUESTION:

When shooting with the 85L II in lowlight situations with the center point active which body will produce a more consistant result?

1DsII or 5D.

Jul 20, 2008 at 01:57 PM

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p.2 #6 · 5D to 1DSMK2?

I'm not willing to say which camera is better, because I only have marginal experience with the 5D. The only 1D series I have really looked into was the 1D original. I thought about picking one up because of the prices, and the "1" series functions I would have added. However, the >800 ISO wasn't enough for me, and saving the money would be better suited towards a 1D2, or 5D.

I can look at images and tell if one is better at a glance, but if they are really close then I'm probably going to miss it.

I just want to point out one thing, well maybe 2 or 3.

5D used= approx 1500$ give or take.
1DsMK2 used=approx 3000-3500$ give or take.

I'm not going to say something is better, because it costs more, but for the simple fact more often than not you get what you pay for. From the looks of it, you can buy 2 5D's for the price of 1 1DsMK2. Based on this alone, I wouldn't compare a 1DsMK2 vs a 5D.

The last point, I see nearly every Canon shooting wedding photographer around here using a 5D. Some of the professionals are using 2 5D's as their main, some a 5D and a 30D (the guy who shot my wedding). In my area, I've yet to find someone using a 1D series on weddings, HOWEVER, that doesn't mean they aren't out there.

The money would have me lean towards the 1DsMK2, as a better camera.

This is the question you have to ask yourself;

Is a 1DsMK2 a 1500$+ better camera than a 5D, for what you do?

If yes, then buy it. If no, then you have your answer.

Jul 20, 2008 at 02:15 PM

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p.2 #7 · 5D to 1DSMK2?

John Power wrote:
At least you will say that. Many refuse to admit that the improvement was, at most, incremental. Wonder why that is.

Another question Brent. For the guy who is shooting some sports, a few birds, his kid's birthday party, a family vacation etc., etc, are the MFDBs even relevant? Aren't they really designed for commercial applications where you have to squeeze every inch of detail ,color, contrast, etc., etc out of the shoot? In other words, even if everyman has the cash, would buying into the technology even make any sense?

(This is what I like about this forum, you can ask a question to someone who really does know what he or she is doing. I always get a kick out of sitting in a bar and listening to a couple non-lawyers talk about DUI cases, what to do if stopped, the breath machine, potential penalties and so forth. Some of the stuff they say and think brings a smile to my face)

Edited by John Power on Jul 20, 2008 at 09:16 AM GMT

Even in the film days some people chose to lug around a hassy to there kid's b-day parties even though I don't think it makes since at all.

I demo'd the new Leaf AFI last winter. I hadn't used a MF AF camera before. All I'd had ever used was manual focus MF camera's like the RZ or pentax 67 ( oh why can't they put a sensor in that thing!!).

I was amazed at how slow they were. Very accurate, but slow. Put the ef 50 macro on your 1ds II and that is how the MF camera was. So if AF is a big feature for you, you more than likely won't be happy with a MF body.

The quality of the file was great, but it took me some time to get over the difference in AF speed and my amazement that a newly developed MF camera didn't incorporate ring type AF into their newly developed lenses. Seemed like a move that would of blown away every other MF camera on the market and made since. Even if it added more to the cost of the lens, your already paying $4K for a normal prime, so what's $4500?

A friend of mine told me a couple of years ago that he was more than happy with his 22mp back and saw no real need to upgrade any higher. He said it produced similar results to what he was used to when he shot 8x10 chrome. This guy had a whole dip & dunk e-6 process in his studio before digital to process the chromes and is a leader in the industry even speaking for Leaf. So I believe him.

I've had one experience where a larger back was necessary for a client shoot. I didn't find out until after the shoot exactly HOW much they wanted to crop into the file. Imagine taking a 4x6 inch size print out of the middle of a 20x24 inch print and wanting to blow that up to a 20x24!!

It barely made it and luckily it was a background inside some text. For that, I would of rented a 60mp back (if available then) if I knew the details before hand.

Jul 20, 2008 at 05:42 PM

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p.2 #8 · 5D to 1DSMK2?

Psychic1 wrote:
QUESTION:

When shooting with the 85L II in lowlight situations with the center point active which body will produce a more consistant result?

1DsII or 5D.

1DsII - with f1.2, my keeper rate is 99% on the monopod/tripod and about 95% (AF in servo mode) if handheld. Here is the question i have - Is this AF worth $4K more, alone beside its huge files and other good stuffs ?

to me - it is the right tool for any jobs.

Edited on Jul 20, 2008 at 10:07 PM

Jul 20, 2008 at 09:56 PM

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p.2 #9 · 5D to 1DSMK2?

mttran wrote:
Psychic1 wrote:
QUESTION:

When shooting with the 85L II in lowlight situations with the center point active which body will produce a more consistant result?

1DsII or 5D.

1DsII - with f1.2, my keeper rate is 99% on the monopod/tripod and about 95% (AF in servo mode) if handheld. Here is the question i have - Is this AF worth $4K more, alone beside its huge files and other good stuffs ?

to me - it is the right tool for any jobs.

Thank you Mttran:
I found my 1D to be more consistant than my 5D and I have a new 1DsII and 1DII on the way.
Yes, the AF is worth an extra $4K if your priority is "the shot."

Jul 20, 2008 at 11:53 PM

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p.2 #10 · 5D to 1DSMK2?

Psychic1 wrote:
mttran wrote:
Psychic1 wrote:
QUESTION:

When shooting with the 85L II in lowlight situations with the center point active which body will produce a more consistant result?

1DsII or 5D.

1DsII - with f1.2, my keeper rate is 99% on the monopod/tripod and about 95% (AF in servo mode) if handheld. Here is the question i have - Is this AF worth $4K more, alone beside its huge files and other good stuffs ?

to me - it is the right tool for any jobs.

Thank you Mttran:
I found my 1D to be more consistant than my 5D and I have a new 1DsII and 1DII on the way.
Yes, the AF is worth an extra $4K if your priority is "the shot."

Hope this justisfies your spending. Believe me, "peace of mind" is the most valueable thing these days and 1 dseries will give you just that.

Edited on Jul 21, 2008 at 03:07 AM

Jul 21, 2008 at 03:04 AM

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p.2 #11 · 5D to 1DSMK2?

mttran wrote:
Psychic1 wrote:
mttran wrote:
Psychic1 wrote:
QUESTION:

When shooting with the 85L II in lowlight situations with the center point active which body will produce a more consistant result?

1DsII or 5D.

1DsII - with f1.2, my keeper rate is 99% on the monopod/tripod and about 95% (AF in servo mode) if handheld. Here is the question i have - Is this AF worth $4K more, alone beside its huge files and other good stuffs ?

to me - it is the right tool for any jobs.

Thank you Mttran:
I found my 1D to be more consistant than my 5D and I have a new 1DsII and 1DII on the way.
Yes, the AF is worth an extra $4K if your priority is "the shot."

Hope this justisfies your spending. Believe me, "peace of mind" is the most valueable thing these days and 1 dseries will give you just that.

Tell that to the Mk3 owners with the focus issues :P

Jul 21, 2008 at 03:31 AM

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p.2 #12 · 5D to 1DSMK2?

Where's the freakin' delete button - bloody website lag

Edited by Pixel Perfect on Jul 21, 2008 at 02:04 PM GMT

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Jul 21, 2008 at 05:01 AM

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p.2 #13 · 5D to 1DSMK2?

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I disagree - beside the IQ, 1ds2 keeper rate is ten times better than 5D for sure

Jul 21, 2008 at 05:00 AM

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p.2 #14 · 5D to 1DSMK2?

Pixel Perfect wrote:
mttran wrote:
I disagree - beside the IQ, 1ds2 keeper rate is ten times better than 5D for sure

Jul 21, 2008 at 02:05 PM

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p.2 #15 · 5D to 1DSMK2?

Brent Ward wrote:
Pixel Perfect wrote:
mttran wrote:
I disagree - beside the IQ, 1ds2 keeper rate is ten times better than 5D for sure

Jul 22, 2008 at 02:52 AM

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p.2 #16 · 5D to 1DSMK2?

Pixel Perfect wrote:
Brent Ward wrote:
Pixel Perfect wrote:
mttran wrote:
I disagree - beside the IQ, 1ds2 keeper rate is ten times better than 5D for sure

Jul 22, 2008 at 03:54 AM

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p.2 #17 · 5D to 1DSMK2?

Brent Ward wrote:
Pixel Perfect wrote:
Brent Ward wrote:
Pixel Perfect wrote:
mttran wrote:
I disagree - beside the IQ, 1ds2 keeper rate is ten times better than 5D for sure

in what circumstance is it 10x better? For what I shoot with the 5D it's keeper rate is very high, the same as my 1D II keeper rate. Maybe if you are shooting fast action I'd agree, but I'd never use my 5D for that if I had a choice.

Anyway I'd recommend a 1D II + 5D combo for about the same money as a 1Ds II.

Wasn't he referring to shooting the 85 1.2?

I don't know, but why should his keeper rate be 10x better with any lens?

I would think that the better AF in the 1 series would come in to play even more at 1.2 or below...

This just wasn't my experience, unless sticking to focus recompose off the x-types... for some reason the outer points on the 1DsII I have are really not all that great in dim light. Some have posited this has to do with shooting style and what the orientation of the single axis sensors is in the two cameras. My mkIII is wonderful with all of those great x-types everywhere....

FYI my DsII is fresh from Canon AF calibration and wonderful otherwise.

Edited on Jul 22, 2008 at 04:51 AM

Jul 22, 2008 at 04:50 AM

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p.2 #18 · 5D to 1DSMK2?

I sold my 1D II when I bought my 5D and never looked back. Well, maybe for a week or so. I am just not heading into the Amazon soon, and despite the fact that it looks very cool and very pro I really don't need it. Maybe (or possibly even likely) if I was doing studio work with the lights and the works the 1D II or 1Ds II would make sense. But for my purposes as an amateur who shoots a reception or party now and then the 5D works wonderfully, and since I favor low light it really is quite nice.

Now, don't everyone jump on my back because for the year plus I had my 1D II as my sole body I really did get to like the feel and everything intrinsic about it. But I wanted something light I can toss in my bike bag and take a ride, or walk down to the park and shoot. I just did not want a three or four thousand dollar trophy sitting in my drawer that I was using maybe five percent of the time. For the average high end amateur the 5D is a winner, no doubt. Which is better? Call it a tie. Given that they are in reality very different bodies it's difficult to intelligently argue the point. Horses for courses...And now that I have sold my 5D I am anxiously awaiting the arrival of the 5D II, and am biding my time with my new 40D, which is also IMHO a very underrated gem.

Edited on Jul 22, 2008 at 05:33 AM

Jul 22, 2008 at 05:15 AM

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p.2 #19 · 5D to 1DSMK2?

Brent Ward wrote:
Pixel Perfect wrote:
Brent Ward wrote:
Pixel Perfect wrote:
mttran wrote:
I disagree - beside the IQ, 1ds2 keeper rate is ten times better than 5D for sure

in what circumstance is it 10x better? For what I shoot with the 5D it's keeper rate is very high, the same as my 1D II keeper rate. Maybe if you are shooting fast action I'd agree, but I'd never use my 5D for that if I had a choice.

Anyway I'd recommend a 1D II + 5D combo for about the same money as a 1Ds II.

Wasn't he referring to shooting the 85 1.2?

I don't know, but why should his keeper rate be 10x better with any lens?

I would think that the better AF in the 1 series would come in to play even more at 1.2 or below...

Brent is right. I frequently do burst mode wide open with 35/50/85/135 to catch the face expression and 1Ds2 has never failed me to nail the eyes. No doubt, 5D is a capable camera but its AF can't keep up with my type of shooting specially when camera and it's subject are both moving

Edited on Jul 24, 2008 at 09:41 AM

Jul 24, 2008 at 08:40 AM

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p.2 #20 · 5D to 1DSMK2?

The downsides to the 1DsII include

* 2X cost
* size/weight
* tiny (20D-like) LCD --- can't really use it to check critical focus
* clunkier (but safer) user interface: most functions require two hands
* I often get hand checked at airport security with 1Ds II, almost never with 5D

The upsides to the 1Ds II that I notice include

* built-in vertical grip (when comparing prices, factor this in)
* 1.33X better resolution (providing one step up in feasible print size)
* dramatically longer battery life between charges
* noticeably better AF performance
* 1.33X faster frame rate
* somewhat improved dynamic range
* more flexible bracketing
* improved end-user customizability (e.g., can remember different sets of settings)
* build/durability

Kevin

Edited on Jul 24, 2008 at 02:17 PM

Jul 24, 2008 at 02:11 PM

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p.2 #21 · 5D to 1DSMK2?

kevinsullivan wrote:
The downsides to the 1DsII include

* tiny (20D-like) LCD --- can't really use it to check critical focus

Kevin

Doesn't the screen on both have the same pixel dimensions?

I haven't had any issues checking focus on either camera. Also, you left out sync speed which is huge! (at least for me with studio lights).

Jul 24, 2008 at 03:43 PM

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p.2 #22 · 5D to 1DSMK2?

I love the 5D in general, but its AF - especially with the 50/1.2L just gives me fits. The center point is pretty good, but the outer points are so twitchy that I cant reliably use them.

Jul 24, 2008 at 04:48 PM

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p.2 #23 · 5D to 1DSMK2?

Unless you NEED the 1 series body or 1 series AF, I would actually stick with the 5D, and wait for the 5D's replacement, or consider the 1DsIII. The 5D has newer image processing technology than the 1DsII. I've found that it meant the 1DsII has more noise in the shadow regions even at low ISO.

Jul 24, 2008 at 04:55 PM

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p.2 #24 · 5D to 1DSMK2?

How much different is the AF system on the 1dSMK2 and the 1DMK2? The reason I ask is am seeing a lot of the comments that the 1D AF is much better than the 5D. However when I compare my 5D to the 1DMK2 am not seeing that much of a difference. In fact, in low light I think the 5D focuses better for most of my subjects.

jerry

Edited on Jul 24, 2008 at 05:18 PM

Jul 24, 2008 at 05:16 PM

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p.2 #25 · 5D to 1DSMK2?

jerrykur wrote:
How much different is the AF system on the 1dSMK2 and the 1DMK2? The reason I ask is am seeing a lot of the comments that the 1D AF is much better than the 5D. However when I compare my 5D to the 1DMK2 am not seeing that much of a difference. In fact, in low light I think the 5D focuses better for most of my subjects.

jerry

These comments are in reference to action situations, and sports --- this is what the 1 series is made for. The 1Dmark II, and 1Ds mark II have the same AF system.

Jul 24, 2008 at 05:24 PM


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