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p.3 #1 · Nikon -- Enough with bodies --- LENSES

I won't be happy until they have a 60MP full frame camera that shoots ISO 250,000 with no noise and a 10-300mm f/1.8 VR AFS lens weighs less than 3lbs.

It must also be a cell phone, pda, and have Photoshop built in.

Jul 16, 2008 at 04:15 PM

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DragonflyDM wrote:
I won't be happy until they have a 60MP full frame camera that shoots ISO 250,000 with no noise and a 10-300mm f/1.8 VR AFS lens weighs less than 3lbs.

It must also be a cell phone, pda, and have Photoshop built in.

It should also be able to transport itself and understand commands like "go take a few hundred photos of such and such for the next art competition and make sure I win".

Jul 16, 2008 at 04:25 PM

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p.3 #3 · Nikon -- Enough with bodies --- LENSES

How about a shoulder angel feature that just goes "are you sure about that crop?" when you set up a photo?

panos.v wrote:
DragonflyDM wrote:
I won't be happy until they have a 60MP full frame camera that shoots ISO 250,000 with no noise and a 10-300mm f/1.8 VR AFS lens weighs less than 3lbs.

It must also be a cell phone, pda, and have Photoshop built in.

It should also be able to transport itself and understand commands like "go take a few hundred photos of such and such for the next art competition and make sure I win".

Jul 16, 2008 at 06:35 PM

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p.3 #4 · Nikon -- Enough with bodies --- LENSES

i'm a canon shooter...and to be honest if it weren't for the confusion with Nikon lens and the lack of primes, i would have switched. I have the 35 1.4 and the 135 2.0 which i absolutely LOVE.

i've said the D300 is the body i have been waiting for from Canon....of course until the D700 is out on the market.

Jul 16, 2008 at 08:37 PM

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Tony Brown wrote:
i'm a canon shooter...and to be honest if it weren't for the confusion with Nikon lens and the lack of primes, i would have switched. I have the 35 1.4 and the 135 2.0 which i absolutely LOVE.

i've said the D300 is the body i have been waiting for from Canon....of course until the D700 is out on the market.

What confusion with lenses?

The 35L and 135L are two that Nikon can't beat though!

Jul 16, 2008 at 09:20 PM

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p.3 #6 · Nikon -- Enough with bodies --- LENSES

the dx, fd, etc..etc.

i'm just not familiar with the lens line up.............but boy that D700 has me salivating...i just may be a NiCanonian shooter.

Edited on Jul 16, 2008 at 10:44 PM

Jul 16, 2008 at 10:43 PM

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p.3 #7 · Nikon -- Enough with bodies --- LENSES

Check out what Thom Hogan has to say (scroll down to "What's Next" in this link...)

http://www.bythom.com/

Jul 16, 2008 at 10:48 PM

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p.3 #8 · Nikon -- Enough with bodies --- LENSES

A sharp, compact 85mm f/1.8 AF-S VR would be nice, and a corresponding 135mm f/2.0

Jul 16, 2008 at 11:44 PM

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molson wrote:
Check out what Thom Hogan has to say (scroll down to "What's Next" in this link...)

http://www.bythom.com/

Yea, I read that. He states a possibility of a few new f/1.4 primes. Any guess which focal length? 35, 85...?maybe 24?

Jul 17, 2008 at 04:18 AM

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Tony Brown wrote:
the dx, fd, etc..etc.

i'm just not familiar with the lens line up.............but boy that D700 has me salivating...i just may be a NiCanonian shooter.

FD is the old Canon mount. Canon has FD, EF and EF-S. All incompatible with each other.

Nikon has the F-mount. FX is "full frame", DX is smaller sensors. There is a soup of letter like AF, AFD, AFS, AI, AIS, etc which is just lens features but in practice you can stick any lens made in the last 20 years on a D700 and it will work. You can put a DX lens on the D700 and it will still work, the camera crops it automatically.

Jul 17, 2008 at 08:22 AM

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panos.v wrote:
Tony Brown wrote:
the dx, fd, etc..etc.

i'm just not familiar with the lens line up.............but boy that D700 has me salivating...i just may be a NiCanonian shooter.

FD is the old Canon mount. Canon has FD, EF and EF-S. All incompatible with each other.

Nikon has the F-mount. FX is "full frame", DX is smaller sensors. There is a soup of letter like AF, AFD, AFS, AI, AIS, etc which is just lens features but in practice you can stick any lens made in the last 20 years on a D700 and it will work. You can put a DX lens on the D700 and it will still work, the camera crops it automatically.

And if you are interested in that soup of letters, here is a decoder ring. Be sure to look at the stuff in grey too.

http://www.bythom.com/lensacronyms.htm

Jul 17, 2008 at 12:29 PM

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Hello Panos,

" ..in practice you can stick any lens made in the last 20 years on a D700 and it will work"

True but allow me an aside.

Sad to say that Nikon used to pride themselves on universal lens compatibility. I was gutted to discover new Nikkors that don't have an aperture ring, and so are useless on my manual Nikon cameras.

Never thought I would see the day. Yesterday I sold off my beautiful FM2T and remaining AIS lens (rest in peace). Why keep older Nikon cameras now, can't put a 14-24 f2.8 on it.

I think current Nikon owners with DX glass can expect a similar fate in a couple of years.

Jul 17, 2008 at 06:46 PM

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Jul 17, 2008 at 07:38 PM

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David Baldwin wrote:

I think current Nikon owners with DX glass can expect a similar fate in a couple of years.

Why would DX go away? Nikon/Canon now have a great and profitable dual-tier setup where FX is high-end expensive stuff and DX is entry-level. It's not like DX is totally unusable and without it's benefits. There's the size/weight factor and the additional telephoto crop which some applications benefit from.

This is without mentioning that the vast majority of DSLR shooters have no idea the difference and barely master using a D40 -- to the point they don't even know how to remove the lens.

Jul 17, 2008 at 08:05 PM

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poisonpill wrote:
This is without mentioning that the vast majority of DSLR shooters have no idea the difference and barely master using a D40 -- to the point they don't even know how to remove the lens.

Wait a minute!

Why would I want to take the lens off? You can't take any pictures with the lens removed! You're pulling my leg, aren't you?

Jul 17, 2008 at 08:32 PM

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David Baldwin wrote:
Hello Panos,

" ..in practice you can stick any lens made in the last 20 years on a D700 and it will work"

True but allow me an aside.

Sad to say that Nikon used to pride themselves on universal lens compatibility. I was gutted to discover new Nikkors that don't have an aperture ring, and so are useless on my manual Nikon cameras.

Never thought I would see the day. Yesterday I sold off my beautiful FM2T and remaining AIS lens (rest in peace). Why keep older Nikon cameras now, can't put a 14-24 f2.8 on it.

I think current Nikon owners with DX glass can expect a similar fate in a couple of years.

You can use G lenses on some film bodies, although not the FM2T. And you can use AIS lenses on any Nikon pro DSLR body (D1 bodies/D2 bodies/D200/D3/D300/D700) and it will work.

Edited on Jul 17, 2008 at 08:36 PM

Jul 17, 2008 at 08:36 PM

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David Baldwin wrote:
Why keep older Nikon cameras now, can't put a 14-24 f2.8 on it.

I think current Nikon owners with DX glass can expect a similar fate in a couple of years.

Well, the idea is that the newer bodies can use the older lenses, not the newer lenses to be used on older cameras. The camera is the one that is being updated all the time (at least compared to lenses) but retains compatibility with older lenses.

As for DX, it might go from high-end bodies but I think it will be around for quite a long time as there is no need for entry-level consumers to go FX. DX will always be cheaper than FX and kit lenses like the 18-55 will provide more than enough performance for a fraction of the cost and a very small size. And it also has it's own niche in wildlife photography where it gives you more pixel density and virtual reach (and let's not get into the crop vs focal length stuff now).

Jul 17, 2008 at 08:47 PM

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panos.v wrote:
David Baldwin wrote:
Why keep older Nikon cameras now, can't put a 14-24 f2.8 on it.

I think current Nikon owners with DX glass can expect a similar fate in a couple of years.

Well, the idea is that the newer bodies can use the older lenses, not the newer lenses to be used on older cameras. The camera is the one that is being updated all the time (at least compared to lenses) but retains compatibility with older lenses.

As for DX, it might go from high-end bodies but I think it will be around for quite a long time as there is no need for entry-level consumers to go FX. DX will always be cheaper than FX and kit lenses like the 18-55 will provide more than enough performance for a fraction of the cost and a very small size. And it also has it's own niche in wildlife photography where it gives you more pixel density and virtual reach (and let's not get into the crop vs focal length stuff now).

Well put!

Jul 17, 2008 at 10:33 PM

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Well.....

I now hope that we DON'T see a 50mm f1.2 AF-S..... I just ordered an AI-S today..... YES they are apparently STILL available new....

Jul 17, 2008 at 11:03 PM

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Andre Labonte wrote:
David Baldwin wrote:
Hello Panos,

" ..in practice you can stick any lens made in the last 20 years on a D700 and it will work"

True but allow me an aside.

Sad to say that Nikon used to pride themselves on universal lens compatibility. I was gutted to discover new Nikkors that don't have an aperture ring, and so are useless on my manual Nikon cameras.

Never thought I would see the day. Yesterday I sold off my beautiful FM2T and remaining AIS lens (rest in peace). Why keep older Nikon cameras now, can't put a 14-24 f2.8 on it.

I think current Nikon owners with DX glass can expect a similar fate in a couple of years.

It took 20 years for that to happen. I don't expect any DSLR to last 20 years. So let's assume DX has a 20 year life span ... I have 12 more years left on DX format!

Besides, I think Nikon sees the advantage of two formats as is evident by the DX crop mode. DX will be around a long time.

Oh, that old AIS glass will work on the higher end DSLRs ... it may need to be modified (i.e. CPU chip added) but they will still work.

Canon, who has been the dominant force in DSLR's and especially noted for their full frame bodies, has yet to abandon their crop bodies... what's more... they have 2 different crops... 1.3x and 1.6x I agree whole heartedly that full frame, or FX is mearly just an OPTION, and DX will remain as a valid format for years to come...

Jul 17, 2008 at 11:08 PM

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David Baldwin wrote:
Hello Panos,

" ..in practice you can stick any lens made in the last 20 years on a D700 and it will work"

True but allow me an aside.

Sad to say that Nikon used to pride themselves on universal lens compatibility. I was gutted to discover new Nikkors that don't have an aperture ring, and so are useless on my manual Nikon cameras.

Never thought I would see the day. Yesterday I sold off my beautiful FM2T and remaining AIS lens (rest in peace). Why keep older Nikon cameras now, can't put a 14-24 f2.8 on it.

I think current Nikon owners with DX glass can expect a similar fate in a couple of years.

well.... you never used a 14-24 on your FM2T before... why would you need to now? I personally would LOVE an FM2T... it's a different tool all together... and has not been rendered useless by the advent of G-type nikkors.... if you REALLY want to use the G-type lenses on film... pick up an F100 or F5.... they're practically being given away... I on the other hand will always enjoy shooting with my FE and Ai Nikkors... like I said in a post above... I just ordered a BRAND NEW 50mm f1.2, which I look forward to using on my FE, F5, D70 and D700...

Jul 17, 2008 at 11:12 PM

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r_o_b_s_o_n wrote:
Andre Labonte wrote:
David Baldwin wrote:
Hello Panos,

" ..in practice you can stick any lens made in the last 20 years on a D700 and it will work"

True but allow me an aside.

Sad to say that Nikon used to pride themselves on universal lens compatibility. I was gutted to discover new Nikkors that don't have an aperture ring, and so are useless on my manual Nikon cameras.

Never thought I would see the day. Yesterday I sold off my beautiful FM2T and remaining AIS lens (rest in peace). Why keep older Nikon cameras now, can't put a 14-24 f2.8 on it.

I think current Nikon owners with DX glass can expect a similar fate in a couple of years.

It took 20 years for that to happen. I don't expect any DSLR to last 20 years. So let's assume DX has a 20 year life span ... I have 12 more years left on DX format!

Jul 18, 2008 at 11:29 AM

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David Baldwin wrote:
I think current Nikon owners with DX glass can expect a similar fate in a couple of years.

DX sensors will always be cheaper than FX ones so it probably won't go away anytime soon. Although most likely DX bodies will soon be relegated to entry-level quality and features (e.g., D40) - the pro's and serious amateurs will all want FX.

Jul 18, 2008 at 12:51 PM

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gvg45 wrote:
molson wrote:
Check out what Thom Hogan has to say (scroll down to "What's Next" in this link...)

http://www.bythom.com/

Yea, I read that. He states a possibility of a few new f/1.4 primes. Any guess which focal length? 35, 85...?maybe 24?

hopefully to match the PC lenses they just introduced, 24/ 50 (preferably 45) and 85.

Jul 18, 2008 at 01:11 PM

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plnelson wrote:
David Baldwin wrote:
I think current Nikon owners with DX glass can expect a similar fate in a couple of years.

DX sensors will always be cheaper than FX ones so it probably won't go away anytime soon. Although most likely DX bodies will soon be relegated to entry-level quality and features (e.g., D40) - the pro's and serious amateurs will all want FX.

Do they?

I'm a serious ameture considering going part-time pro and I don't want FX. There are threads on this board as I type this where pros are speaking about wanting both formats (DX and FX) because they like the benefits that each format provides (DX provides reach and cost savings in a backup). As it currently stands, FX privdes ONE and only ONE advantage: high ISO performance. If a D3X ever comes out, it will provide a resolution advantage that is not needed even by most pros and at a HUGE cost premium. DX will always have the cost benefit and likely retain it pixel density advantage as well. There will be pros and most especially avid ametures who will want DX for those reasons.

Jul 18, 2008 at 01:36 PM


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