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p.25 #1 · "Admirable" blur samples

Thanks guys!

I really appreciate it! I just saw a sidelighted window with _lots_ of small droplets on, just had to get Ida (my willing model this time :P ) over to check it out! And it worked quite well

Nov 30, 2008 at 01:07 PM

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p.25 #2 · "Admirable" blur samples

With an emphasis on blur, here are a couple of shots from the Leica 90 Apo Summicron-R

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Nov 30, 2008 at 03:19 PM

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p.25 #3 · "Admirable" blur samples

Not to argue ovredal73 but clearly I disagree with you.To my eyes I tend to not find images with the Rokkor as pleasing as with some other lenses. It seems that certain lenses have a signature and some folks like 'em and some don't. With the recent hype for the Rokkor there has been a lot of images posted from the Rokkor and uniformally I find something lacking or disturbing (this is not a comment on the photographer or subject but just an expression of a personal opinion). Examples of lenses (from various pictures posted) that have a signature that 'wow' me include the Contax c/y 100f2 (for example). I realize that the posted images are subject to post processing and not suitable for accurate analysis of a lens. I also realize that quality prints might change my view of a lens so perhaps I should qualify my answer...

ovredal73 wrote:
you2 wrote:
I actually like the later zuiko 50f1.8 - it has sort of a water paint effect (there are 8 or so derivatives of the 50f1.8 so it is a difficult lens to talk about).

One thing I don't get is the Rokkor 58f1.2 - many people loves this lens and I guess it is sharp enough but nearly all the images I've seen posted from this lens turns me off - I'm not sure - but they always seem a bit washed out or lacking in fine detail (not resolution but tonal change - maybe lack of contrast or micro contrast or some other term I'm missing) - hard to put my finger on it but that is one lens the masses seem to like that I just don't get...

Yeah, PhotoMaximums flower shot is just damn ugly!

Washed out: Any lens shooting at 1.2 as wide open will look a bit washed out.
Lacking in fine detail: No.
Lacking in tonal change: No.
Lack of contrast: Depends on software, mostly.
Lack of microcontrast: No.
Hard to put finger on: Sure.

PS; Photomax, the flower shot is fantastic

Nov 30, 2008 at 05:10 PM

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p.25 #4 · "Admirable" blur samples

"Different strokes for different folks" as the saying goes. There are also a lot of lenses out there as well and you are well within your rights to express your disconnect with this lens. Part of the joy of photography is the incredible variation of tools, technique and the images produced.

I will say that your finding the Rokkor images "...something lacking or disturbing" is a bit strong though. Most of the 58/1.2 images posted here are shot wide open as the fast aperture and unique focal length is part of the attraction with this lens. Maybe thats it?

On the large format photgraphy boards you will see fans argue for the Shneider/Rodenstock/Nikon/Fuji lenses to no end. But does it really matter? For me I like the whole package when it comes to the Rokkor 58/1.2: the age, history, funky focal length, heft, feel and the image quality. I have the older metal style and it feels nice to play with. It gives an interesting "look" wide open and then produces another character stopped down. Its not so much a "wow" factor, rather the whole package is very appealing for me...

Of course your mileage may vary...

Another shot showing its different style:

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PS: I also have the later Zuiko 50/1.8 and its a nice little lens. But its what I would expect from a name brand 50mm: good solid performer, but nothing really noticeable one way or the other...

Nov 30, 2008 at 05:57 PM

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p.25 #5 · "Admirable" blur samples

Rokkor 58/1.2,
Rendering, drawing style =

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Nov 30, 2008 at 07:14 PM

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p.25 #6 · "Admirable" blur samples

Anden wrote:
Zuiko 50 1.8 @ 1.8 on Canon 1D mkII.

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And then the Rokkor 58/1.2 at 1.2. Almost the same spot

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Dec 01, 2008 at 08:08 AM

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p.25 #7 · "Admirable" blur samples

The colors are different in the OLY. I did a kodachrome treatment on that file.

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Dec 01, 2008 at 08:09 AM

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p.25 #8 · "Admirable" blur samples

Contax 85/2.8

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Dec 01, 2008 at 08:15 AM

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p.25 #9 · "Admirable" blur samples

Cross-posting from my rokkor thread:

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Dec 01, 2008 at 08:16 AM

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p.25 #10 · "Admirable" blur samples

Sirfishalot wrote:
Rokkor 58/1.2,
Rendering, drawing style =

Wonderful, I really like it!

I have to admit though that there's so many Rokkor shots being posted on this forum, that there's just a fair portion that do not show the nice side of the Rokkor signature, which has been shown before (mostly in the alternative image threads).

Dec 01, 2008 at 01:26 PM

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p.25 #11 · "Admirable" blur samples

Some more (hopefully not "disturbing") Rokkor 58/1.2:

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Dec 01, 2008 at 02:29 PM

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p.25 #12 · "Admirable" blur samples

And here is a very good example of the difference between the Rokkor 58/1.2 wide open and the Rokkor at f2. Also, an example of why I feel the Rokkor is the best environmental portraiture lens ever produced for a FF SLR (you can see that in several of the images in my previous post as well, IMO).

f1.2:

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As you can see, the Noctilux-like "spiral/vortex" effect kicks in quite hard wide open. While people have mixed feelings about it, I love this effect.

f2:

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But the best thing about the Rokkor is that this effect is completely gone by f2, which makes it an incredibly versatile lens. The bokeh smooths right out into cream, and the focal plane gets just scary sharp with serious micro-contrast kick.

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Dec 01, 2008 at 02:35 PM

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p.25 #13 · "Admirable" blur samples

The Noctilux-like "spiral/vortex" effect gives nice pop and really lifts the subject out of the frame.

Nice Paul!

Dec 01, 2008 at 02:39 PM

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p.25 #14 · "Admirable" blur samples

AhamB wrote:

I have to admit though that there's so many Rokkor shots being posted on this forum, that there's just a fair portion that do not show the nice side of the Rokkor signature, which has been shown before (mostly in the alternative image threads).

Any lens can take shitty photos.

Dec 01, 2008 at 02:39 PM

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p.25 #15 · "Admirable" blur samples

Anden wrote:
The Noctilux-like "spiral/vortex" effect gives nice pop and really lifts the subject out of the frame.

Nice Paul!

Thanks. I actually missed focus on that wide-open shot just by a hair.

I nailed the focus on this one, wide open, but my daughter wasn't quite ready for the shot:

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Dec 01, 2008 at 02:42 PM

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Dec 01, 2008 at 08:12 PM

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p.25 #17 · "Admirable" blur samples

Cant let this thread to page 2

Helios 85mm f1.5 wide open (@f1.5)

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Dec 03, 2008 at 07:45 AM

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p.25 #18 · "Admirable" blur samples

Anden wrote:
The Noctilux-like "spiral/vortex" effect gives nice pop and really lifts the subject out of the frame.

Nice Paul!

Agreed. Nice shots, and I personally love this 1.2 bokeh rendering style.

Dec 03, 2008 at 10:09 PM

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p.25 #19 · "Admirable" blur samples

cogitech wrote:
Some more (hopefully not "disturbing") Rokkor 58/1.2:

Some great shots of all kinds, Paul. I think the Rokkor renders abstract nature images beautifully as well. It is surprisingly perfect for the kind of images you posted in the first few shots.

Another couple in the same vein ---

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Dec 03, 2008 at 10:18 PM

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p.25 #20 · "Admirable" blur samples

fd 85 1,2 ssc aspherical + 5D
f1.2
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fd 85 1,2 L + 5D
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rokkor 58 1.2 + 5D
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Dec 03, 2008 at 10:27 PM

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