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Contax 85 f/1.4 stopped down



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Sep 09, 2008 at 01:29 PM
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Kiron 105 2.8 Macro

Sep 09, 2008 at 01:30 PM
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The mighty Rokkor 58 1.2



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Sep 09, 2008 at 01:32 PM
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Nikkor 50 1.2 Ai.


I love that blotchy watercolor like rendering

Sep 09, 2008 at 05:01 PM
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two more from last weekend, same combo, speedgraphic & petzval lens:



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and a shot with heavy tilt and some swing 180mm symmar lens for this one. Didn't quite do this one wide open, stopped it to f8 so that a bit more fence would be in focus. Looks like most of the fence is in focus on this small image, but really only a thin strip of it is.



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Edited on Sep 10, 2008 at 03:35 AM


Sep 10, 2008 at 03:25 AM
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Jammy Straub wrote:
Anden wrote:
Nikkor 50 1.2 Ai.


I love that blotchy watercolor like rendering


I do too!

A


Sep 10, 2008 at 09:54 AM
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Daniel: Your photos make me dizzy...

A


Sep 10, 2008 at 09:54 AM
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Anden wrote:
The mighty Rokkor 58 1.2



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Hardly mighty...It has those typical, extremely distracting OOF highlights that only the Rokkor does so well, and that look so awfull.

Heres a shot of a similar subject from my Canon FL 55mm f1.2 for comparison:

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...Now thats mighty!

Sep 10, 2008 at 12:15 PM
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Gotta' side with Alf on this one, Anden.

That last shot of yours isn't exactly the finest example of Rokkor 58 bokeh that we've seen around these here parts!

Sep 10, 2008 at 12:19 PM
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I agree. But the comparing photo is not really a challenging background. Small bright dots are a lot harder than the diffused light in Alf's photo that seem to come from one source.

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Alf Beharie wrote:
Hardly mighty...It has those typical, extremely distracting OOF highlights that only the Rokkor does so well, and that look so awfull.


You hate it so?
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Have some moar!



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That is one of my fav with my Rokkor, go figure.

Or hand me a lens that could render those within-close-range highlights smooth and at the same time keep the object sharp, then we can see if it's a more attractive outcome. I know my Rokkor is sharp enough you can count dust particles on the glasses.

Sep 10, 2008 at 02:26 PM
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Anden wrote:
I agree. But the comparing photo is not really a challenging background. Small bright dots are a lot harder than the diffused light in Alf's photo that seem to come from one source.

A


Alf never shows his beloved lens in the worst-case-scenario. He hand-picks the shots that only show incredibly creamy-smooth bokeh, as if that is the bokeh the lens always produces. We all know that any lens can have distracting OOF highlights. Alf just doesn't show them to us, for some reason.

We also all know that any lens can have ultra-creamy bokeh if the subject distance relative to the background distance is ideal. I think Alf has demonstrated that he understands this aspect of photography, not that his lens is special in any way.

Alf, unless you buy and convert a Rokkor and then show us identical shots taken with the two lenses, then your opinion of which has better bokeh is hot air. I could easily have taken your wine bottle shot with the Rokkor, and I have no doubt in my mind that it would look just as good (or better to some people).

So, why don't all of us Rokkor shooters start posting only bokeh shots where the subject and background distances are ideal for ultra-smooth bokeh and, in the meantime, lets have some shots from Alf that really put his lens in the worst-case-scenario.

Which lens will have better bokeh then, Alf?

Sep 10, 2008 at 02:41 PM
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The mighty Rokkor. Wide open on 5D.

Alf. Notice the highlights (reflections off shot glass, spoon and can). Distracting?



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Sep 10, 2008 at 02:53 PM
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Oh, and how is your Canon for sharpness wide open?

(100% crop from above image)



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Sep 10, 2008 at 02:54 PM
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...and how about 3D effect?

My bottle looks like you could reach out a grab it, while yours looks... well, like a photo.

Here is one close in size to your bottle shot, just for easier comparison:



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Sep 10, 2008 at 02:56 PM
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cogitech wrote:
Anden wrote:
I agree. But the comparing photo is not really a challenging background. Small bright dots are a lot harder than the diffused light in Alf's photo that seem to come from one source.

A


Alf never shows his beloved lens in the worst-case-scenario.

What about this then?...Could'nt get a worse senario than that!:

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He hand-picks the shots that only show incredibly creamy-smooth bokeh, as if that is the bokeh the lens always produces.


Well as thats the whole point of this thread of course I'm only going to post that kind of pic here!...Here are a few more:

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Sep 10, 2008 at 11:14 PM
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Alf Beharie wrote:


What about this then?...Could'nt get a worse senario than that!:

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Thanks for posting this, Alf. It is just like the bokeh that you hate so much from the Rokkor. Do you see now that the Rokkor doesn't have "bad" bokeh, per se, but that people have simply chosen to post some shots where the Rokkor gets funky (like the shot above)?

I rest my case.



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Sep 11, 2008 at 12:24 AM
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Rokkor 58/1.2, closeup, f1.2 from Canon 40D



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and one from the Rokkor 85/1.7, closeup, f1.7 from 1D MkII



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JayT

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Sep 11, 2008 at 01:28 AM
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I think we all can agree that almost any lens can have good bokeh under the right circumstances and also look really bad when shooting really busy and hard contrast small lights.
I will shoot my 85L that by many is considered the bokeh king along side with my rokkor and see how they compare. Could be interesting.

A



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Sep 11, 2008 at 04:41 AM
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A couple weeks past another forum member asked about the Voigtlander 40/2 with the little close up lens adaptor that it comes with. Here is one I shot rather in the moment with the 40/2 and close-up adaptor at f2:



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And one from the Voigtlander 58/1,4 at 1,4 just because I had the lens sitting next to my other cam:



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