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Leon Noel
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p.4 #1 · p.4 #1 · Really fast 50 Bokeh


Well, I'm sorry I've been feeling like a loser who failed to defend a 300 USD rokkor against a 5000 USD Noctilux, so here's my second attempt to save my beloved favorite lens some face by trying some different shooting and editing techniques... Of course it still doesn't scratch to the Nocti level but I guess it fares better now that I have a little more clue of what I should do to induce or eliminate "harsh rings" bokeh. (no, nothing to do with selective Gaussian blur, I know I'm petty but I won't stoop that low )

My apologies for this spamming of non artistic flower shots, I just use center AF box to frame and focus, some came out ok, some still has "busy" background, inspect and comment if you feel like, I can handle critics.

1.
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q69/Blknoel/_MG_6607.jpg

2.
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q69/Blknoel/_MG_6611.jpg

3.
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q69/Blknoel/_MG_6618.jpg

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http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q69/Blknoel/_MG_6637.jpg

5.
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q69/Blknoel/_MG_6638.jpg

6.
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q69/Blknoel/_MG_6643.jpg

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http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q69/Blknoel/_MG_6646.jpg

8.
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q69/Blknoel/_MG_6656.jpg

9.
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q69/Blknoel/_MG_6674.jpg

There we go, all boring flower shots made with Rokkor 58/1.2 on 5D. Apart from #6 & #7 (which I intended to get more flowers into focus by stopping down), the rest is wide open where sometimes only a petal is sharp.

I have a few more unedited since I don't have time, and I must go cook now.

Happy shooting guys, shoot with what you have.

PS: I'm actually quite glad bokeh in Shot #3 looks like that of Cogi's dog nose shot. And #5 is busiest as far as I can see

Edited on Jun 13, 2008 at 06:11 PM



Jun 13, 2008 at 06:06 PM
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Leon Noel wrote:
My apologies for this spamming of non artistic flower shots, I just use center AF box to frame and focus, some came out ok, some still has "busy" background, inspect and comment if you feel like, I can handle critics.


No apologies needed, just post more pictures of the person on your avatar using this lens



Jun 13, 2008 at 06:19 PM
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p.4 #3 · p.4 #3 · Really fast 50 Bokeh


Oh on that side note, she's the woman of my dream that I can only dream to touch (I mean shoot of course).


Jun 13, 2008 at 06:22 PM
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p.4 #4 · p.4 #4 · Really fast 50 Bokeh


Rokkor 58 1.2:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3060/2576505492_01112fe87a_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3162/2576505354_fac4f65df3_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3092/2576504940_fc8b8cd7b7_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3274/2576504808_df041edc04_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3105/2576504680_8b044b20f8_o.jpg






Jun 13, 2008 at 09:35 PM
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p.4 #5 · p.4 #5 · Really fast 50 Bokeh


Leon Noel wrote:
Well, I'm sorry I've been feeling like a loser who failed to defend a 300 USD rokkor against a 5000 USD Noctilux, (


My Noctilux cost no where near $5,000, but I have owned it for about ten years. Back then they could be found in the $1,600 -1,800 range.

BTW, here is the latest Noctilux. On sale

http://www.dalephotoanddigital.com/_e/Leica/product/011603/Leica_Special_Edition_Noctilux_M_50mm_f_1_0.htm



Jun 13, 2008 at 11:40 PM
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p.4 #6 · p.4 #6 · Really fast 50 Bokeh


Leon Noel wrote:
Oh on that side note, she's the woman of my dream that I can only dream to touch (I mean shoot of course).


I would second the request. It would be nice to see some more people shots with the fast lenses. The rendering of smooth skin tones is also one of the characteristics to look for in a lens.

Robert



Jun 13, 2008 at 11:42 PM
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p.4 #7 · p.4 #7 · Really fast 50 Bokeh


Here is the sample from the first post. The lens gives smooth skin tones, plus a nice smooth bokeh, while still being reasonably sharp.

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/2/2/l1031068_1200w.jpg



Jun 13, 2008 at 11:45 PM
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p.4 #8 · p.4 #8 · Really fast 50 Bokeh


Ovredal: I really like your photos, no 4 in particular. I get a terminator 2 feeling from them.

Great work!

A



Jun 14, 2008 at 06:05 AM
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p.4 #9 · p.4 #9 · Really fast 50 Bokeh


Thank you, Anden T2 is a great compliment.


Jun 14, 2008 at 09:18 AM
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p.4 #10 · p.4 #10 · Really fast 50 Bokeh


Oly 50/1.2 on 1DsII

http://www.potd.com.au/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/ShallowDOF_I7U5494.jpg

That was an early test shot with it and as a 1.2 lens the Oly is not that good IMO. DOF is way to thin and images have a milky look.

But as an f2 lens it rocks!...

http://www.potd.com.au/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/Flowers_I7U3878.jpg
http://www.potd.com.au/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/Grave1.jpg
http://www.potd.com.au/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/Flowers_I7U3746.jpg
http://www.potd.com.au/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/ChurchFlowers_I7U4106.jpg



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p.4 #11 · p.4 #11 · Really fast 50 Bokeh


EltonTeng wrote:
More Oly 55/1.2. That bokeh gets to be really busy.


My FD 55/1.2SSC (non asp) does that as well. Heres one with a FD->EF adapter (with a lens) on 1Ds2 at f1.2

http://derfel.org/kuvia/temp/fd/fd55f12_edit.jpg

Edited by Shuko on Jun 29, 2008 at 08:53 AM GMT


Edited on Jun 29, 2008 at 06:53 AM



Jun 15, 2008 at 09:31 AM
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p.4 #12 · p.4 #12 · Really fast 50 Bokeh


Shuko, that's just about the busiest bokeh I've ever seen!

Among FD lenses, what's the one to get converted to EF mount? I've been thinking of doing that just for fun.

Edited on Jun 15, 2008 at 01:56 PM



Jun 15, 2008 at 01:55 PM
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p.4 #13 · p.4 #13 · Really fast 50 Bokeh


Even though it is busy, I kind of like it. Creates some kind of painterly shapes to the background.


Jun 15, 2008 at 02:05 PM
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p.4 #14 · p.4 #14 · Really fast 50 Bokeh


cogitech wrote:
I have heard some people say it does, but I haven't noticed it. The thing is, the lens can easily be stop-down focused from f1.2 to f3.5 (with a 5D and Ee-S screen), so focus shift does not enter the equation, because shift is only a problem if the lens is focused wide open and then stopped down. If focused wide open and then stopped down to f5.6 or beyond, the extra DOF would tend to reduce the shift effect anyway.

So the answer is, maybe the lens does have focus shift if used as intended (on a Minolta body) but
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I agree basically, but would like to adjust minor details:

The answer is not maybe but definitely. When trying it out I found way more focus shift in the Rokkor 58/1.2 than in the EF50/1.2L for example.

If the lens can be easily focused stopped down or not will depend on the available light. Generally one would use this lens at the largest aperture openings available of course. I had no problems with the focus shift in practise unless I stopped down after focusing.

I sold my copy pretty quickly; I loved the crispiness wide open, I disliked the focus shift and the bright rings around OOF background highlights. These are personal preferences only, YMMW as we say.

regards,

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Jonas



Jun 15, 2008 at 04:28 PM
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p.4 #15 · p.4 #15 · Really fast 50 Bokeh


I have posted these about the place over the last few weeks. Its an incomplete conversion to 4/3rds for my E3 with a Konica Hexanon 57/1.2. Its a bit troublesome because its loose on the mount but i just couldn't wait to try it, there's no locking pin and no baffle (which should increase contrast wide open.

No hope of finishing it this week we are flat out here even though its supposed to be 'off season'. Of course there is no EXIF to go by, i think some of the better shots would be at F2 or thereabouts.

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z179/realink_album/review/3b3d3323.jpg
and 100%
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z179/realink_album/review/994d9088.jpg
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z179/realink_album/review/6ea59d89.jpg
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z179/realink_album/review/d9cadace.jpg
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z179/realink_album/review/9f017161.jpg
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z179/realink_album/review/56-12tests009_internet.jpg

Edited on Jun 15, 2008 at 06:25 PM



Jun 15, 2008 at 06:16 PM
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p.4 #16 · p.4 #16 · Really fast 50 Bokeh


The Konica shots look good. Was that a lens for the old Konica Autoreflex or was it a rangefinder lens?


Jun 16, 2008 at 12:50 AM
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p.4 #17 · p.4 #17 · Really fast 50 Bokeh


thanks,....its an AR Rob, the RF lenses have too short a register, there are pretty close at 40.7mm with a wide mount flange enabling them to be fitted without an adapter.


Jun 16, 2008 at 02:39 AM
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p.4 #18 · p.4 #18 · Really fast 50 Bokeh


Here are some from today with my Porst 50 1.2.

http://www.pbase.com/goodwrench/image/98759463/original.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/goodwrench/image/98759464/original.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/goodwrench/image/98759465/original.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/goodwrench/image/98759466/original.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/goodwrench/image/98759467/original.jpg

Hope you like them.

Garth



Jun 16, 2008 at 05:58 AM
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p.4 #19 · p.4 #19 · Really fast 50 Bokeh


robsteve wrote:
My Noctilux cost no where near $5,000, but I have owned it for about ten years. Back then they could be found in the $1,600 -1,800 range.

BTW, here is the latest Noctilux. On sale

http://www.dalephotoanddigital.com/_e/Leica/product/011603/Leica_Special_Edition_Noctilux_M_50mm_f_1_0.htm


What do you reckon $1600-1800 10 years ago should currently be worth now? These creep up about $5000 on eBhay occasionally, and they let you inspect before buying so I wouldn't say scams. That price is more realistic, not $16k, but kudos if someone can sell at that.

Regarding the link of the Naughtilust for sale, I wouldn't buy it given I had that amount of money for a lens, a 200/1.8L or 200/2L IS makes more sense, or even the gigantic 800/5.6L. Basically the more jacked up its price is, the less extra punch per buck it has over high performing "cheapos" (not exactly) like the alternative examples shown in this thread.

Maybe the Nocti handles busy BG well and smoothly, but the Rokkor has a very exotic way of painterly rendering the OOF details (read: brush strokes). I'm not saying this because I own 1, I've always been fascinated since I first saw early shots put out by Cogitech, which then inspired me to acquire 1 copy and convert it myself.

Garth: nice shots, impressive sharpness and soft (enough) bokeh.

Edited by Leon Noel on Jun 16, 2008 at 08:09 AM GMT


Edited on Jun 16, 2008 at 08:09 AM



Jun 16, 2008 at 08:07 AM
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p.4 #20 · p.4 #20 · Really fast 50 Bokeh


that lady bug shot is fabulous


Jun 16, 2008 at 08:09 AM
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