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Archive 2008 · #1 change/improvement on 5D2

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p.4 #1 · #1 change/improvement on 5D2

John Power wrote:
What is the #1 improvement or change you are hoping for on the 5D2. Just the #1 change. For me, as I have said before, it would be allow you to move EC to a separate button.

I know others will want faster focus; more megapixels, etc. but I have hit that damn dial too many times and shot at an unintended EC

All I want is a firmware hack to increase fps to 10 or more like what they did to the P&S

The megapixel race is going to be over pretty soon. There is only a certain amount of pixels that you can cramp onto the sensor.

Apr 07, 2008 at 10:06 AM

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p.4 #2 · #1 change/improvement on 5D2

2 memory cards for event shooters

+1

Apr 07, 2008 at 10:18 AM

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p.4 #3 · #1 change/improvement on 5D2

I will only buy one if it offers much better AF. I dont mean 1 series AF but something considerably better than the 5D/40D would be required. If it has this then I WILL buy one regardless of the other upgrades.

(as a secondary improvement, I would like to see a 2 stop noise improvement and be able to choose ISO 25600

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Apr 07, 2008 at 10:57 AM

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p.4 #4 · #1 change/improvement on 5D2

Well, I would say the number one thing I would like is faster fps.

But with that, I would LOVE it if Canon would pull a Nikon, scale down the image size (ie, only use a portion of the sensor, make it a 1.6x crop or something) and pull up to 6 or 8 fps. Maybe with that some type of switch in the viewfinder or etching that would help in that mode. I know, its probably too complicated or out of character for Canon, but its still on my wishlist.

Apr 07, 2008 at 11:14 AM

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p.4 #5 · #1 change/improvement on 5D2

1) Nikon D300 features like LCD display, shooting information etc
2) Fast Iso and WB changes and Exp comp changes, with display in LCD
3) Movable LCD screen like Olympus E3
4) In-camera level and grid (for coomposition)
5) Wireless flash trigger

In short, a Nikon D300 which is full frame

Apr 07, 2008 at 11:56 AM

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p.4 #6 · #1 change/improvement on 5D2

im always surprised no one mentions better dynamic range.

Apr 07, 2008 at 01:16 PM

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p.4 #7 · #1 change/improvement on 5D2

i just hope canon doesn't release a press release that says, "gee guys, we didn't know you were waiting for a new version. there ain't gonna be one, cuz we just made up the 5D when we got drunk one night and we burned 'em plans!"

haha...i know...too much "king of the hill" for me..

Apr 07, 2008 at 02:59 PM

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p.4 #8 · #1 change/improvement on 5D2

FF D300 would cover what I'm after in the 5D II; that means 100% VF, pro AF, finer spot meter, real sealing (not as much as 1 series), ISO 50-6400, next step beyond XSi live view with improved AF, 3" VGA, OLED screen (tilt?), DEP (A-DEP sucks), improved AD converters so 14 bit is useful, 1 stop DR increase, something like Sony's DRO, wireless flash trigger, improved auto ISO, grid lines on demand, 4.5fps, 16.4MP FF, or 8fps, 10MP 1.3x crop or 11fps 6.5MP, 1.6x crop (thus ability to use EF-S lens too), UDMA, HDMI output, no flash, but new dedicated flash with low profile called 120EX with GN=20, menus that rotate with the camera ala Sony, 3 C settings like 40D but ability to have several more under the menu, larger * button since it is used by so many for AF, it's too small IMO, 200K shutter, less lag, new lenses such as 24 f/3.5L TS-E II, 24-70 f/2.8L IS (improved mfd) 17-50 f/4L (yes increased range) addressing the shortcomings of the originals.

Camera $2999, lenses 24L TS-E II $1299, 24-70 L IS $1599, 17-50L $799

This would give Canon a real boost IMO.

Edited on Apr 07, 2008 at 07:09 PM

Apr 07, 2008 at 07:08 PM

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Apr 07, 2008 at 07:18 PM

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Kevin Sherman wrote:
If Canon did that, I think I would crap in my pants. And buy one immediately. This would be an incredible boon to Canon's lineup.

I hope so and I'm serious: Canon could produce said camera if they desired and could produce said lenses - although they'd charge a lot more initially.

Apr 07, 2008 at 07:29 PM

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Edited on Apr 07, 2008 at 07:34 PM

Apr 07, 2008 at 07:34 PM

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p.4 #12 · #1 change/improvement on 5D2

PeepingTom wrote:
1) Nikon D300 features like LCD display, shooting information etc

That D300 LCD monitor is really something. My assistant brought the camera to my studio the other day, and that puppy makes my 1Ds MKIII LCD monitor looks like an IBM first monochrome CRT

Why can't Canon use one of those high-resolution LCD monitors

Edited on Apr 07, 2008 at 11:36 PM

Apr 07, 2008 at 07:43 PM

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p.4 #13 · #1 change/improvement on 5D2

Pixel Perfect wrote:
FF D300 would cover what I'm after in the 5D II; that means 100% VF, pro AF, finer spot meter, real sealing (not as much as 1 series), ISO 50-6400, next step beyond XSi live view with improved AF, 3" VGA, OLED screen (tilt?), DEP (A-DEP sucks), improved AD converters so 14 bit is useful, 1 stop DR increase, something like Sony's DRO, wireless flash trigger, improved auto ISO, grid lines on demand, 4.5fps, 16.4MP FF, or 8fps, 10MP 1.3x crop or 11fps 6.5MP, 1.6x crop (thus ability to use EF-S lens too), UDMA, HDMI output, no flash, but...Show more →

That camera would never happen for so many reasons. The fps is not just limited by the data throughput - the mechanism needs to be up to the job too so they wouldnt able to make a cost effective 11fps. EF-S lenses would not be compatible - again this does not depend on just the sesnor size but the larger mirror would hit the back of the lenses (yes there are some which do not protrude far enough back and might work but I am not taking the chance!) You basically want it all, and so do we but this is too much of it all ;-)

Apr 08, 2008 at 02:49 AM

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Allan Bruce wrote:
That camera would never happen for so many reasons. The fps is not just limited by the data throughput - the mechanism needs to be up to the job too so they wouldnt able to make a cost effective 11fps. EF-S lenses would not be compatible - again this does not depend on just the sesnor size but the larger mirror would hit the back of the lenses (yes there are some which do not protrude far enough back and might work but I am not taking the chance!) You basically want it all, and so do we but...Show more →

Then just make it a 1.6x crop, it doesn't matter if EF-S won't work. 11fps is a doddle for 6.5MP.

Of course Canon will never deliver this camera, but I seriously think a Nikon might when the D300 class goes FF probably in 12-18 months.

Apr 08, 2008 at 03:37 AM

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p.4 #15 · #1 change/improvement on 5D2

Pixel Perfect wrote:
Then just make it a 1.6x crop, it doesn't matter if EF-S won't work. 11fps is a doddle for 6.5MP.

Of course Canon will never deliver this camera, but I seriously think a Nikon might when the D300 class goes FF probably in 12-18 months.

Datawise, 11fps for 6.5MP might be a doddle but getting the mirror mechanism is not - just look at the issues with the 1DIII

Apr 08, 2008 at 04:52 AM

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p.4 #16 · #1 change/improvement on 5D2

Tom K. wrote:
In body IS.

For starters, it remains to be seen how good in-body IS works for full frame cameras. A floating sensor for full frame will weigh about 2.5 times more than a floating sensor for 1.5x crop. The increase in weight will cause all all sorts of dynamic problems. Force feedback being the most serious issue, with the increase in powerdraw coming in second. Because that will increase proportional to the weight increase.

Besides that ... Both Canon and Nikon have answered the question by introducing cheap kitlenses with in-lens stabilisation. At least for the Canon it's an all-new IS system that gives 3 to 4 stops stabilisation, and a very elegantly designed system at that, from an engineers viewpoint.

It's a pretty clear indication that they don't think of going in-body IS.

Apr 08, 2008 at 09:48 AM

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p.4 #17 · #1 change/improvement on 5D2

Tough choice,

Live view or 6fps

Apr 08, 2008 at 09:52 AM

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p.4 #18 · #1 change/improvement on 5D2

Kevin Sherman wrote:
If Canon did that, I think I would crap in my pants. And buy one immediately. This would be an incredible boon to Canon's lineup.

I'd buy one in a flash, too, but I won't be in line behind you

Edited on Apr 08, 2008 at 09:26 PM

Apr 08, 2008 at 09:26 PM

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Pixel Perfect wrote:
[...] 4.5fps, 16.4MP FF, or 8fps, 10MP 1.3x crop or 11fps 6.5MP, 1.6x crop (thus ability to use EF-S lens too),

[...]

EF-s, that's the "s" for short backfocus. EF-s, unlike the other optimised-for-crop lenses (Tamron's Di-II, Sigma's DC, Tokina's DX. Nikkon's DX) allows for deeper penetration into the mirror box.

How do you propose to allow true EF-s lenses when there is a full frame sized mirror flapping about? Even the current Canon 1.6x crop cameras deploy a mirror that tilts and slides in order to clear the possible EF-s intrusion. (Apparently that's why a 10D can not take all EF-s lenses without mirror slapping, even if the lens mount is modified.)

Edited on Apr 09, 2008 at 01:50 AM

Apr 09, 2008 at 01:49 AM

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Tentacle wrote:
How do you propose to allow true EF-s lenses when there is a full frame sized mirror flapping about?

A pellicle mirror of course.

But, the light loss may be a problem for some, such as wedding photogs who work in low light environments - manual focus would be extremely difficult for these people. For others though, the pellicle design would be great, especially tripod users where MF using live view would give best result. Not to mention the lack of vibration from the mirror moving

If (unlikely) Canon went for a pellicle mirror, they'd have to provide excellent AF (read 1 series) for the low light shooters.

Apr 09, 2008 at 02:39 AM

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