I have just had the shutter fail on my 1D Mk II for the second time. I also know of at least three other people whose 1D Mk II's have suffered the same fate and all at around the same number of activations - approx 56K to 60K. Both mine have gone around this same number.
I'm interested in knowing whether Mr Canon has a real problem here and is keeping it to himself, or whether this is coincidence. My first one was replaced by Canon Australia under the extended warranty about two years ago (almost to the bloody day).
I shoot mostly weddings and some sporting events, so I don't use the 8.5 fps very often at all.
Thats a shame Steve.
It has been said that if you drive an Ferrari normally, you will encounter problems. The engines that are placed in these vehicles need to be revved, and driven hard, to the limit, they thrive on that. Maybe you should try the same with the 1DmkII, its designed to be a machine gun, so let it rip.
By the way, I have a 1D, 1DmkII, 1DmkIIn and not one of them has failed yet. All of them now have a shutter count between 130,000 to just under 200,000 clicks. I shoot mainly weddings, but once a month or so I am out in the sporting arenas and shooting a 8.5 fps ALL DAY.
PS. good luck with getting it replaced again
pk
Judging only by reports that I've read here on FM I thought they were most likely to fail at around 20k operations and then be ok if they survived that, with subsequent failures being fairly random.
Hopefully I won't have these same problems with the new Mk III when it arrives tomorrow. Unfortunately, I can't afford to be without at least two working cameras when I shoot weddings, so I can't wait for the Mk II to be repaired again and have only the 40D working. It will have to be the designated backup when it comes back from repair.
I had two 1DmkIIN and two 1DmkII (non-N) bodies amongst others and the 1DmkIIN bodies hit 300,000 shutter actuations without fail. The 1DmkII bodies were backups but both ~80,000 and no failures. I still have a 1DmkII as a back up and after a clean & inspect the tech noted that the shutter shows no signs of wear & tear that would indicate impending failure. There is not a sports pro I know who has had a shutter blow 200,000 actuations and several have had 300,000 plus including me before replacing them as "insurance". There must be another issue causing the failure at such a low actuation number. Is it used in rough environments that puts it through bumps & vibrations?
Replacement failed Nill. I don't think I treat my cameras any rougher than a photojourno might. Of course I don't mollycoddle them like a camera club shooter does either. They earn me money and so they get used in all conditions to get the shot.
That's disappointing to hear. I've seen far too many reports of very early (<50k) shutter failures on IIN's, and have experienced one myself. The thought that the replacement shutter might suffer a similar fate is troublesome. Hope that was just a fluke.
Had to have another body to shoot weddings whilst the Mk II was in the shop for a new shutter, so I ordered a 1D Mk III which arrived on Thursday afternoon. Charged the battery and took about 20 frames to test it. It worked fine. I upgraded the firmware and put it in the bag for yesterday's wedding shoot.
Pull it out on the day to shoot the bride and get about 50 frames and then the dreaded err 99 pops up everytime I press the shutter. It gives me a message on the LCD about re-initializing the battery. Removing the battery and then putting it back in the camera gets me nowhere. I get a pre-flash from the 580EX II and the mirror goes up and stays up, but the bloody shutter doesn't activate. It's as though the mirror lockup has been triggered. If I keep pressing the shutter button it eventually reboots the camera.
ARGHHHH!!!!
I wonder how much I'll get for all this stuff if I trade it in on Nikon gear...
The serial number is 54xxxx and there is no blue dot on it. It will be going back to the seller on Monday, so I'll be stuck with the 40D and resurrecting the D60 as a backup until the 1D's are fixed or replaced.
don't know quite what is wrong with all these bodies here: d30, 200,00 +, 10D 20,000, 20d 50,000, 30d 150,000, 1ds, 400,000, 1dmIII 100,000. Never had one shutter fail, and I have had most of these through 20 plus countries, and years of use. I might be the fluke!
I put 349,000 shutter actuations on my 1st 1D Mark II after 9 months of use before getting shutter replaced.
The shutter didn't go bad but images were soft. The mirror box and shutter assembly were replaced and I put another 300,000 actuations on that shutter before it went bad...$236.00 repair.
That shutter only lasted 20,000 clicks and it was replaced for free as well as a $1,200 major replacement of electronics and mirror box...FOR FREE.
I've put another 300,000 on the current shutter and camera is still going strong.
I'd say around 1,000,000 shutter clicks from a camera body is pretty good service.
I've thought about retiring that body but it still produces.
I put 349,000 shutter actuations on my 1st 1D Mark II after 9 months of use before getting shutter replaced.
The shutter didn't go bad but images were soft. The mirror box and shutter assembly were replaced and I put another 300,000 actuations on that shutter before it went bad...$236.00 repair.
That shutter only lasted 20,000 clicks and it was replaced for free as well as a $1,200 major replacement of electronics and mirror box...FOR FREE.
I've put another 300,000 on the current shutter and camera is still going strong.
I'd say around 1,000,000 shutter clicks from a camera body is pretty good service.
I've thought about retiring that body but it still produces.
Leewoolery,
can you elaborate more on the part where you said the images were soft...do you mean being that the shutter was at such high actuations that it caused a misalignment in the shutterbox or something of that sort that would cause softness.
Well, I wish I was one of you guys who haven't had a shutter failure!!! I see though that I'm not the only one who has had a failure well before the 200K that Canon claims. From reading the forums more, I see that shutter failures are not uncommon. Getting them fixed for FREE seems to be extremely rare though.
The MK II is being repaired now, and the MK III has been returned to the shop for an exchange. Looks like I'll be shooting this weekend's wedding with the 40D and my old D60... That'll be fun...NOT.
I'm going to try to sign up for Canon's CPS this week. I've got two 1-series bodies (even though they don't currently work) and five "L" Lenses. Hopefully that will ease the pain of gear failures in future.
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Well, I wish I was one of you guys who haven't had a shutter failure!!! I see though that I'm not the only one who has had a failure well before the 200K that Canon claims. From reading the forums more, I see that shutter failures are not uncommon. Getting them fixed for FREE seems to be extremely rare though.
The MK II is being repaired now, and the MK III has been returned to the shop for an exchange. Looks like I'll be shooting this weekend's wedding with the 40D and my old D60... That'll be fun...NOT.
I'm going to try to sign up for Canon's CPS this week. I've got two 1-series bodies (even though they don't currently work) and five "L" Lenses. Hopefully that will ease the pain of gear failures in future....Show more →
Ya i know what you mean, my 1D mkII was in the shop and i had to use my old D60 for a week, going back to that machine after being on a 1D2 is like getting into a volkswagen beetle after you've been driving a ferrari 126c2 around.
The 200,000 is MTBF number, so one camera could go 400,000 the other 0 counts for a MTBF number of 200,000. The number is based on probability and the bell curve (no statistic lesson here). The 200,000 number is ONLY valid for a LARGE sample of camera's ie greater than 1, most likely greater than 30 (it's been a while since I had a stats class).
The only solution is to have 3 bodies alternating between them every other event.
Good luck Steve, you are just a victim of math, my 10D had 70,000 shots when I sold it and it's still going strong.
Got the really bad news today. When the shutter curtain went, it left two marks "on the imager" according to the repair shop. Quote: $1723.75 parts and $150 labour.
How many frames does it take for the shutter curtain to damage the sensor Try about 6....
Given this is the second one in this camera, I'm not happy. I've asked them to check whether the damage is only to the filter and not the sensor. Two grand for a camera worth about three on the second-hand market here is going to be a tough call.
Try about 6....