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matonanjin Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #1 · Portrait Lens Recommendation While my fledgling photography business is primarily equine sports type photography, I know that I am going to be doing increasingly more portraiture type starting this spring. This will be primarily head shots of owners with their horses or some classic portraiture with people in their equine show clothes. If it would help you to see an example of what I am talking about, you can do so here: http://www.pbase.com/matonanjin/image/92188653 I need to decide on a lens for this portraiture fairly quickly. Currently I am using a Canon 30D with 70-200mm F/4 L for the "action" shots and this works ideal. While I would love to use the 85mm F/1.2L, it isn't realistically in the budget to spend nearly $2K on a lens right now. (Ultimately, I will probably go to that and a full frame sensor?) But for now, I am thinking about the 85mm F/1.8. Will this lens work acceptably? You thoughts on this lens or alternative suggestions are appreciated. Ron Petersen Four Winds Photography Omaha, NE Feb 25, 2008 at 03:57 PM

thedigitalbean Offline Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: On p.1 #2 · Portrait Lens Recommendation On the 30D, the 85 f/1.8 should make for a great portrait lens. However, why not just use your 70-200 for portraits? Unless you really need the faster speed, the 70-200 should do just fine. Feb 25, 2008 at 04:07 PM

Thats Fresh Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #3 · Portrait Lens Recommendation BUMP for the 85/1.8! i use it 95% of my portraits at work. great sharp lens. Feb 25, 2008 at 04:16 PM

matonanjin Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #4 · Portrait Lens Recommendation thedigitalbean wrote: On the 30D, the 85 f/1.8 should make for a great portrait lens. However, why not just use your 70-200 for portraits? Unless you really need the faster speed, the 70-200 should do just fine. Wow! Thank you for the fast response. The portrait that I had the link to above was taken with the 70-200. But my thought was that a wider aperture might provide for more blurring of background. Maybe use it at F2.8 or wider? Does that make sense? Thanks again. Feb 25, 2008 at 04:29 PM

Tuan Luong Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #5 · Portrait Lens Recommendation For the 1.6x camera (30D), my favorite lense for body portrait (like your example) is the 50mm 1.4. The 85mm 1.8 might be a tad long for full body potrait. Feb 25, 2008 at 04:51 PM

minatophase3 Offline Upload & Sell: On p.1 #6 · Portrait Lens Recommendation I would stick with the 70-200 f4, but if you want faster, the 85 1.8 is a great lens. It was my favorite lens on my 20D. Tim Feb 25, 2008 at 06:16 PM

Daan B Offline Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #7 · Portrait Lens Recommendation matonanjin wrote: thedigitalbean wrote: On the 30D, the 85 f/1.8 should make for a great portrait lens. However, why not just use your 70-200 for portraits? Unless you really need the faster speed, the 70-200 should do just fine. Wow! Thank you for the fast response. The portrait that I had the link to above was taken with the 70-200. But my thought was that a wider aperture might provide for more blurring of background. Maybe use it at F2.8 or wider? Does that make sense? Thanks again. Indeed, a wider aperture provides more background blur than a smaller aperture IF you shoot from the same distance... But: 1) If you move closer to your subject, the background becomes more blurred with any lens 2) If you want to get a horse and it's owner in focus, I think you will probably need at least f/4 anyway 3) The 70-200L is a fine lens and has excellent IQ at f/4 Bottom line: I should stick to your 70-200L Edited on Feb 25, 2008 at 06:26 PM Feb 25, 2008 at 06:25 PM

mh2000 Offline Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #8 · Portrait Lens Recommendation 100/2 is nicer than 85/1.8 for portraiture. Feb 25, 2008 at 06:28 PM

gfiksel Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #9 · Portrait Lens Recommendation I would check the lens, though. On the photo the faces (for both the subjects were not in focus at all. Feb 25, 2008 at 06:35 PM

GeorgeM Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #10 · Portrait Lens Recommendation I have to second fgiksel. No exif data available but the only thing in focus is her right boob. Shooting with a 2.8, 1.8, 1.4 or 1.2 is not going to help this image. You do need a F4 or even slower aperture. A person's head is very 'DEEP' with a 2.8 or faster lense. Adding a horse into the equation just magnifies the problem. While it does the ego good, a 'faster' lense here would be a waste of money. My 1.8 cents. George Feb 25, 2008 at 07:04 PM

bobbytan Online Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: On p.1 #11 · Portrait Lens Recommendation A good portrait lens for both indoor and outdoor use would be the 24-70/2.8L. The f2.8 aperture will give you a better background blur than say the 24-104/4L lens. Feb 25, 2008 at 07:19 PM

vidoprof Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #12 · Portrait Lens Recommendation I would say that you need to get MORE in focus than less. I know you want to blur the background, but what about maybe not using a background (muslin, or something). You could also have the people move further away from the background and that will blur it out more. You do need to get more of the people and horse in focus. On that note.. I LOVE my 50 1.4 for just head shots and I have the 85 1.8 and never even thought to use that. I mainly use the 24-70L and for head shots or anything that doesn't need fast zooming this lens works well. Ryan Feb 25, 2008 at 07:45 PM

PasiM Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #13 · Portrait Lens Recommendation I´ve used almost all those mentioned above but mostly it´s my trusty 70-200L 2.8 IS. I like the idea of keeping a bit of distance to not get my subjects nervous. Feb 25, 2008 at 07:59 PM

rceres Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #14 · Portrait Lens Recommendation 100 f2.0 on a crop body is going to be just a tiny bit long for typical head and shoulder portaits, and you'll need to get even farther away to get a head and shoulder of the horse of course, but that might be a good thing. Seems like the 100 paired with a nifty 50 might be just the thing. Feb 25, 2008 at 08:22 PM

mh2000 Offline Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #15 · Portrait Lens Recommendation my prime portrait set for crop is 35/2, 50/1.8 and 100/2 (drop 35 for FF)... the 24-70L is lovely though (kind of short for FF). Feb 25, 2008 at 08:29 PM

Jim Schemel Online Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: On p.1 #16 · Portrait Lens Recommendation Ron, 85 f1.8 is a great portrait lens in my opinion.For the brief time that i had it, it produced great results.Here are a few samples on a 1D. -Jim f2.5 f2.5 f2.5 Feb 25, 2008 at 08:36 PM

Steve Blagg Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #17 · Portrait Lens Recommendation Sorry I agree with some of the others here. For this type of shot you need to get MORE in focus not less. You need to try master your 70-200 more before spending on faster glass,which IMHO would be a waste in this instance. If you want to blur the background, step back and use it at nearer the 200mm end. It's a very capable lens. The 85 1.8 would be fine for the people shots (with practice) but your going to need to stop it down anyway when you add the horse into the equasion. I think your clients are going to want sharp images of themselves AND the horse. Hope this helps, good luck, Steve Feb 25, 2008 at 08:39 PM

Emile Gregoire Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #18 · Portrait Lens Recommendation I agree with others here: this shot would require f/5.6 or smaller. Seems like a tripod would be the best investment in this case. Other than that, the 50 1.4 and 85 1.8 both are wonderful small lenses: you can't really go wrong with both. Edited by Emile Gregoire on Feb 25, 2008 at 09:46 PM GMT Edited on Feb 25, 2008 at 08:46 PM Feb 25, 2008 at 08:46 PM

Jim Schemel Online Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: On p.1 #19 · Portrait Lens Recommendation Since we are talking horses.Here is a shot that i took with the Tamron 28-75 on a 1D.this shot was at f2.8 -Jim Feb 25, 2008 at 08:46 PM

Emile Gregoire Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #20 · Portrait Lens Recommendation Ok, thanks Jim, I'll immediately start eating my words. f/2.8 obviously is OK as well Great shot! Feb 25, 2008 at 08:48 PM

matonanjin Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #21 · Portrait Lens Recommendation GeorgeM wrote: I have to second fgiksel. No exif data available but the only thing in focus is her right boob. Shooting with a 2.8, 1.8, 1.4 or 1.2 is not going to help this image. You do need a F4 or even slower aperture. A person's head is very 'DEEP' with a 2.8 or faster lense. Adding a horse into the equation just magnifies the problem. While it does the ego good, a 'faster' lense here would be a waste of money. My 1.8 cents. George What are you doing looking at my wife's right boob!!! Feb 25, 2008 at 08:53 PM

Jim Schemel Online Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: On p.1 #22 · Portrait Lens Recommendation Ron, Something to think about to if you are considering keeping the 70-200 and using it on the long end is, how steady is your hand? at 200mm a faster shutter could be needed for someone with a little hand shake.Another reason for a faster lense, Will allow you to select a faster shutter and still maintain high image quality. -Jim Feb 25, 2008 at 09:04 PM

matonanjin Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #23 · Portrait Lens Recommendation Jim Schemel wrote: Ron, Something to think about to if you are considering keeping the 70-200 and using it on the long end is, how steady is your hand? at 200mm a faster shutter could be needed for someone with a little hand shake.Another reason for a faster lense, Will allow you to select a faster shutter and still maintain high image quality. -Jim Jim, As I get older, the hand is progressively less steady! This horse photography business is something I am developing as a retirement thang. Certainly the faster lens or IS is a consideraton. Thanx. Ron Feb 25, 2008 at 10:44 PM

Phil McNeil Offline Upload & Sell: On p.1 #24 · Portrait Lens Recommendation Notice that Jim is working with a pretty thin slice of focus there, the tip of the nose and the tip of the ears are going out of focus. The shot is great because the eyes are in that critical sharp range, so that is a big portrait must, sharp, sharp eyes. Are you using a single focus point on the rider's eye? There have been a few folks who had front and back focus issues with the 70-200 f/4, I think pretty rare on the whole. My copy was sharp and the focus was dead on as long as I got my part right (focused on the eyes, shutter speed of about 1/250th or faster since I am not super steady, and a smooth shutter finger). It would be worth trying this lens outside on a nice bright day so you can get the shutter up to a 1000th or so and shoot a few shots of fence posts or something else that doesn't move to make sure that you are getting sharp shots out of your lens. As for the 85 f/1.8 as a portrait lens, it is great, and nice and light for hand holding. And as long as those eyes are wicked sharp you can get nice shots down to f/2. Jim- now I am sure that I am going to pick up a Tamron 28-75, that shot looks great! Feb 25, 2008 at 11:15 PM

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