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gene A. wrote:
Talked to an old friend who owns a local camera store today. He had just received price sheets on the new products. No new cameras were listed except for the new rebel. The 200mm F2 has a dealer net of $5300.00 so its definitely going to retail for alot more than Nikons version.

The other very interesting bit of info he passed along was the Canon rep told him that there will probably be a program where present owners of the 1DmkIII will be permitted to turn in there cameras toward a new 1DmkIIIN. When there will be a MKIIIN wasn't clear. He also speculated that Canon may not ever come out with a new version of the 5D as it cuts into 1-series camera sales, although that was just his own opinion.

Edited by gene A. on Jan 30, 2008 at 06:43 PM GMT

All of that sounds like hogwash to me.

1) The replacement for the 5D is due at the end of the year.
2) Free trade-ups to a revised 1D Mark III? Never in a million years.
3) 200/2 IS at those prices? No chance.

Three strikes bud.

Edited on Jan 31, 2008 at 08:46 AM

Jan 31, 2008 at 08:44 AM

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p.2 #2 · Dealer info 200mm F2/1DmkIII

Can't call it a strike til after the pitch. Bud

Jan 31, 2008 at 12:57 PM

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p.2 #3 · Dealer info 200mm F2/1DmkIII

gene A. wrote:
Can't call it a strike til after the pitch. Bud

You can when it's this obviously wrong.

Jan 31, 2008 at 02:36 PM

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p.2 #4 · Dealer info 200mm F2/1DmkIII

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2) Free trade-ups to a revised 1D Mark III? Never in a million years.

If Canon would really see it necessary to replace 1D3 with an updated camera, they could make swap offers to pros, like "return your existing 1D3 camera to us and get two new 1Dx cameras at the price of one". That wouldn't immediately improve Canon's bottom line but wouldn't cause any major harm to it either.

Edited on Jan 31, 2008 at 05:28 PM

Jan 31, 2008 at 05:26 PM

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p.2 #5 · Dealer info 200mm F2/1DmkIII

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Nikon 200 f/2 sells for almost $1000 less than Nikon 300 f/2.8.

Umm, no. The 200 f2 VR is $4000, the 300 f2.8 VR is $4500.

What's with the "Umm, no"? Did you do an eye roll as well?

BTW, prices vary by retailer. Uniquephoto.com (my main supplier) sells the 200 for $3,799 and 300 for $4,499. So maybe it's not *almost* $1000 less. The point is, it's still significantly less expensive.

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p.2 #6 · Dealer info 200mm F2/1DmkIII

cwphoto wrote:
gene A. wrote:
Can't call it a strike til after the pitch. Bud

You can when it's this obviously wrong.

Christian, what are your Aussie connections saying about the street price in the land down under ? They should know by now I suppose ?

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Jan 31, 2008 at 07:31 PM

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p.2 #7 · Dealer info 200mm F2/1DmkIII

Has anyone seen the price of the 200 f/2L IS at Amazon?

$5999

http://www.amazon.com/Canon-200mm-Telephoto-Digital-Cameras/dp/B00132CJR6

Jan 31, 2008 at 08:55 PM

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p.2 #8 · Dealer info 200mm F2/1DmkIII

BrianP wrote:
Has anyone seen the price of the 200 f/2L IS at Amazon?

$5999

http://www.amazon.com/Canon-200mm-Telephoto-Digital-Cameras/dp/B00132CJR6

As credible as the availability date Amazon cites ...

Jan 31, 2008 at 09:02 PM

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p.2 #9 · Dealer info 200mm F2/1DmkIII

Here is another at $5999...

http://www.pictureline.com/products/15147/Canon_EF_200mm_f2L_IS_USM/

I haven't seen any other prices. Mike, I think you are dreaming for the $4k after introduction.

Jan 31, 2008 at 09:20 PM

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p.2 #10 · Dealer info 200mm F2/1DmkIII

I would truly hope that these things would settle down to around $4500 at the most. It just doesn't make a lot of sense to price these things so close to the price of a 400mm F2.8. When you factor in what Nikon sells there lens for as well as how this one stacks up monetarily against the 300 F2.8, the 400 F2.8 and other large primes, 5-6K seems way off.

If the lens doesn't come down in price, I think it would be better to find a nice version of the old lens and then get insurance on it for when it finally does die. I suppose that the insurance company might replace it with the new lens. I need to ask my agent about that.

Edited on Jan 31, 2008 at 10:11 PM

Jan 31, 2008 at 10:10 PM

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p.2 #11 · Dealer info 200mm F2/1DmkIII

BrianP wrote:
Here is another at $5999...

http://www.pictureline.com/products/15147/Canon_EF_200mm_f2L_IS_USM/

I haven't seen any other prices. Mike, I think you are dreaming for the $4k after introduction.

We'll see, Brian. Easy to wait since I don't have the money or the need right now (indoor sports and dance dried up). Mine is just a guess based on the relative prices of the other Canon super teles and Nikon's current price for the 200/2 VR. Anyway, I prefer my dream to your nightmare

Feb 01, 2008 at 01:53 AM

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p.2 #12 · Dealer info 200mm F2/1DmkIII

It strikes me as odd that Canon now has made its 1DIII + 200 f2 IS combo significantly more expensive that a D3 and 200 f2 VR.

Feb 01, 2008 at 02:21 AM

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p.2 #13 · Dealer info 200mm F2/1DmkIII

I'm sure Canon saw what people were paying for 200mm F1.8 lenses and said to themselves, if there willing to pay $4,000-$5,000 for a used lens then they would certainly be willing to pay even more for a new version with available service, and image stabilization.

Given that you can get Nikons best autofocus in an $1800 body. The fact that the D3 has an ambient metering system thats more sophisticated than anything Canon produces and now a really good 14-24mm zoom which would replace several of the lenses I'm now using and I have to tell you the dark side is looking very appealing

Feb 01, 2008 at 03:00 AM

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p.2 #14 · Dealer info 200mm F2/1DmkIII

200 is not a "supertele" is it?

Feb 01, 2008 at 03:30 AM

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p.2 #15 · Dealer info 200mm F2/1DmkIII

John Power wrote:
200 is not a "supertele" is it?
Superexpensive

Feb 01, 2008 at 03:47 AM

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p.2 #16 · Dealer info 200mm F2/1DmkIII

Traditionally, Canon have reserved the "supertelephoto" category for the primes with FL of 400mm and up. That way the 400 f/5.6 qualifies, while the 300 f/2.8 and 200 f/1.8 don't.

A looser interpretation would be according to provision of fluorite elements. Obviously, that would exclude the 200 f/1.8 as well as the 400 f/5.6.

Lastly, one often finds a popular usage of "supertelephoto" is reserved for the 300 f/2.8 and any other lens priced higher than that.

Edited on Feb 01, 2008 at 04:02 AM

Feb 01, 2008 at 04:01 AM

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p.2 #17 · Dealer info 200mm F2/1DmkIII

6k? i might as well buy a d300 + the nikkor 200mm f/2 and save myself 200 bucks

Edited on Feb 01, 2008 at 08:40 AM

Feb 01, 2008 at 07:05 AM

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p.2 #18 · Dealer info 200mm F2/1DmkIII

cwphoto wrote:
1) The replacement for the 5D is due at the end of the year.

That's indeed very likely.

cwphoto wrote:
2) Free trade-ups to a revised 1D Mark III? Never in a million years.

I hate to agree. If they'd want to do that they could just replace the affected 1D Mk III with a new, blue dot ones.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.

Feb 01, 2008 at 09:08 AM

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p.2 #19 · Dealer info 200mm F2/1DmkIII

Starting from 85L II, Canon's pricing strategy looks stupid, pretty much like Leica nowadays.

Feb 01, 2008 at 09:40 AM

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p.2 #20 · Dealer info 200mm F2/1DmkIII

Well after looking at some pics from yesterday I am now in the "I hate the 1DMKIII" corner. I didn't have a problem with soft images indoors before "the fix" but I sure do now

I hope they do something about it. AI Servo

Edited on Feb 01, 2008 at 11:23 AM

Feb 01, 2008 at 11:22 AM

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p.2 #21 · Dealer info 200mm F2/1DmkIII

gene A. wrote:
I'm sure Canon saw what people were paying for 200mm F1.8 lenses and said to themselves, if there willing to pay $4,000-$5,000 for a used lens then they would certainly be willing to pay even more for a new version with available service, and image stabilization.

Given that you can get Nikons best autofocus in an $1800 body. The fact that the D3 has an ambient metering system thats more sophisticated than anything Canon produces and now a really good 14-24mm zoom which would replace several of the lenses I'm now using and I have to tell you the dark side is looking very appealing

At least two of my photog buds have made the move, and several more are considering it. If Nikons's 400/2.8 and 300/2.8 were priced close to Canon's, I'd move myself. C'mon Canon, get off the couch and do something other than produce a 200/2 that only catches up with the Nikon equivalent at 1/3 more the cost. Geezz ...

Feb 01, 2008 at 11:59 AM

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p.2 #22 · Dealer info 200mm F2/1DmkIII

PetKal wrote:
Traditionally, Canon have reserved the "supertelephoto" category for the primes with FL of 400mm and up. That way the 400 f/5.6 qualifies, while the 300 f/2.8 and 200 f/1.8 don't.

A looser interpretation would be according to provision of fluorite elements. Obviously, that would exclude the 200 f/1.8 as well as the 400 f/5.6.

Lastly, one often finds a popular usage of "supertelephoto" is reserved for the 300 f/2.8 and any other lens priced higher than that.

Then you'd include the 70-200 4L since it's also got a fluorite element...

When I talk of superteles, I generally include any lens with an aperture over 100mm or with a 400+mm focal length. I.e. 200 1.8 (111mm aperture), 300 2.8, 400 5.6, etc.

Granted, I also consider lenses under 70mm a wideangle....

Edited on Feb 01, 2008 at 12:04 PM

Feb 01, 2008 at 12:03 PM

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p.2 #23 · Dealer info 200mm F2/1DmkIII

Canon breaks the tele/supertele mark at 300mm. 300mm+ = super tele.

Interestingly, the 800mm is the only lens other than the 1200 with 2 pieces of fluorite.

FWIW
-Ed

Feb 01, 2008 at 05:56 PM

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p.2 #24 · Dealer info 200mm F2/1DmkIII

Ed Sawyer wrote:
Canon breaks the tele/supertele mark at 300mm. 300mm+ = super tele.

Not consistently so.
On the Canon USA site, that is indeed the case with one exception: the 300 f/4 IS is counted under "telephoto" lenses.

On their museum site, only 400/500/600/1200mm lenses are grouped into the "supertelephoto" category, NOT the 300mm ones.

Edited on Feb 01, 2008 at 06:08 PM

Feb 01, 2008 at 06:06 PM

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p.2 #25 · Dealer info 200mm F2/1DmkIII

I didn't think the 400 f/5.6L was classified as a supertele.

Feb 02, 2008 at 03:07 AM


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