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p.2 #1 · Any News on Canon 200mm F/2 Lens Release

Yakim Peled wrote:
Christian, is this an f/2 shot?

Yes.

Jan 21, 2008 at 07:16 AM

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p.2 #2 · Any News on Canon 200mm F/2 Lens Release

Yakim Peled wrote:
I feel that the 70-200/2.8 IS is a bit unbalanced (front heavy) on my 40D and the 200/2 is much bigger than it. Thus I think the 135/2 will be much more at home with the 40D.

I see. Thanks...

Yakim Peled wrote:
Still planning to buy the 200/2?

No.

Jan 21, 2008 at 02:59 PM

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p.2 #3 · Any News on Canon 200mm F/2 Lens Release

When it hits the streets the 200-1.8 will drop even more.

Jan 21, 2008 at 06:11 PM

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p.2 #4 · Any News on Canon 200mm F/2 Lens Release

madmax200 wrote:
When it hits the streets the 200-1.8 will drop even more.

Perhaps so. However, there are a couple of factors to consider too: the new lens performance and price. For example, if the 200 f/2 price stays >$4k, there will still be a demand for the faster lens at $3k+.

Take a look at the 300 f.2.8 non-IS prices. Although the IS version is a better performing lens in every way, the same nominal aperture non-IS lens can still fetch $2.7-2.8k if in fine condition.

Jan 21, 2008 at 07:04 PM

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p.2 #5 · Any News on Canon 200mm F/2 Lens Release

Great news about the new 200. Sounds like a lens to be very excited about.

On another note, I continue to be amused by how hard some of you work to: a) convince yourselves the 200/1.8 isn't all it's cracked up to be, and b) revel over the prospect of it's value dropping. If you're so sure the 200/1.8 isn't the lens for you (though the effort exerted in 'proving' so would suggest otherwise), why would you care so much about its value? The photographer doth protest too much, methinks.

Jan 21, 2008 at 07:40 PM

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p.2 #6 · Any News on Canon 200mm F/2 Lens Release

Russ, you know we all secretly want the 200/1.8, are patiently waiting until the price drops, and vent our frustration over the $4k price tag by predicting the price of the 200/1.8 will drop

Thanks for the link and information. I may decide to wait for the 200/2 after all, if the handling is that much better. I have found with experience with my new-to-me 135/2L that even the added SS due to f/2 doesn't cover the 1/focal length rule in all cases, and I'm often shooting handheld at 1/60sec. I come out with sharp pics most of the time, but if general indoor night time lighting doesn't support SS above 1/60 sec (at ISO 1600 or 3200) then the added 1/3 stop of the 200/1.8 over the 200/2 isn't going to help. The IS will produce sharper pics because it will make up for my handholding the lens... I plan on using this in the context of weddings BTW, not so much on a monopod for sports. I would be far more comfortable shooting handheld 1/60 sec @ 200mm with IS than 1/80sec without.

But if the price drops on the 200/1.8 to like $3k then I'll probably snap one up anyway... or I'll just get a 300/2.8 IS and be done with it... ugh, I can't decide. At least if I get the 200/2 I can return it if I have more use for the 300/2.8, whereas I'd have to re-sell the 200/1.8. Just wish I could play with both lenses for a couple weeks side by side and decide that way.

Jan 21, 2008 at 07:59 PM

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p.2 #7 · Any News on Canon 200mm F/2 Lens Release

Andrew: Keep in mind that the 200/2 IS with a 1.4x teleconverter gives you 280mm at f/2.8, plus IS, so in effect, that one lens gives you both the 200 and (almost) 300 range. I know some folks who sold their 300/2.8 because their 200/1.8 plus 1.4 gave them 280/2.5, which is close enough (and a touch faster). If the new 200 is as good as we all hope it will be, IQ with the 1.4x should be excellent (as it is with the 200/1.8 and 300/2.8 IS). So then the question becomes whether you're more likely to need the 200 and 280mm ranges, or 300 and 420mm (which you get with the 300 + 1.4, but at f/4).

Jan 21, 2008 at 08:13 PM

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p.2 #8 · Any News on Canon 200mm F/2 Lens Release

Russ Isabella wrote:
Great news about the new 200. Sounds like a lens to be very excited about.

On another note, I continue to be amused by how hard some of you work to: a) convince yourselves the 200/1.8 isn't all it's cracked up to be, and b) revel over the prospect of it's value dropping. If you're so sure the 200/1.8 isn't the lens for you (though the effort exerted in 'proving' so would suggest otherwise), why would you care so much about its value? The photographer doth protest too much, methinks.

Never said it was not all its cracked up to be. Just that for the value it is not the one I would buy at the prices they were or even now are fetching. Several people on here have sold or trying to sell a 1.8 that they paid 4500 7 months ago for the low 3's now.

Jan 21, 2008 at 08:47 PM

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p.2 #9 · Any News on Canon 200mm F/2 Lens Release

Russ Isabella wrote:
On another note, I continue to be amused by how hard some of you work to: a) convince yourselves the 200/1.8 isn't all it's cracked up to be, and b) revel over the prospect of it's value dropping.

The reason seems elementary, dear Isabella.

Folks like Maxymad are possibly hoping to lay their hands on the "holy grail" lens dirt cheap.

Heck, I would not mind getting a backup for $1,287 or somethin.

Jan 21, 2008 at 08:52 PM

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p.2 #10 · Any News on Canon 200mm F/2 Lens Release

Wickedfn4u wrote:
Never said it was not all its cracked up to be. Just that for the value it is not the one I would buy at the prices they were or even now are fetching. Several people on here have sold or trying to sell a 1.8 that they paid 4500 7 months ago for the low 3's now.

Okay, I had this big long discourse on why your post is inapporpriate / lacking. But I realized that you really don't care one bit, so I just deleted the entire thing save this:

Ended Jan 13th, for $4199.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Canon-200-200mm-1-8-F1-8-L-EF-USM-Lens-S-N-17371_W0QQitemZ230210897601QQihZ013QQcategoryZ106844QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

For anything you show me, I can show you counter. And the reverse holds true as well. I have no illusions on this.

So please allow me to stoop and say, "Shhhhh did you hear that... he's still wrong."

And FM use to be such a nice forum... when did it become "dpreview#2".

And to contribute something positive,
Andrew, If I were you, I'd lean towards the 200/2IS; of course given that we don't even have pricing info yet; (at this point we've pulled the damn cart to town and left the horse at home).
With teleconverter's you've got really great options, and I'm going to assume that the 200/2IS is going to be very similar to the 200/1.8; in which case you can even get away with a doubler in a pinch (not my first choice, but it really isn't bad; plus, that's 400/4 (still autofocuses!))

Jan 22, 2008 at 02:55 AM

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p.2 #11 · Any News on Canon 200mm F/2 Lens Release

Guys,

You will never get the image @ f/1.8 with 200/2 IS, it's just like 85/1.2L and 85/1.8, right ?

If you say who cares of the difference of the f/1.8 and f/2.0, ok, than why don't you get the 200/2.8L or just use the 700-200/2.8L IS which has the IS.....

Even the 200/2.0L IS will be a great lens for sure, but the 200/1.8L will never become PAPER weight....

Edited by lidesun on Jan 22, 2008 at 04:46 AM GMT

Edited on Jan 22, 2008 at 04:46 AM

Jan 22, 2008 at 04:24 AM

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p.2 #12 · Any News on Canon 200mm F/2 Lens Release

Can't wait for the future thread "Canon 200mm 1.8 vs. 200 2"
Well of course the 200 1.8 will win and make it even more legendary

Jan 22, 2008 at 04:39 AM

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p.2 #13 · Any News on Canon 200mm F/2 Lens Release

Wickedfn4u wrote:
Shhhhh did you hear that... .that thud was the price of the 1.8 falling again.

http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/Canon_new_lenses.html
24th Prices for the two lenses already announced...

$6000 for the 200mm and $12,000 for the 800mm

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Wow. I've never seen something fall upwards before

Weird.

Oh, and I take back my comments about going w/ the 200/2IS... At $6k... (heck even at $5k), I'd try and just get a ~$3k 200/1.8

Jan 24, 2008 at 03:56 PM

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p.2 #14 · Any News on Canon 200mm F/2 Lens Release

That puts the street (e.g. real) price for the 200 f/2 at about $3400-3500.

About where everyone figured.

-Ed

Jan 24, 2008 at 04:42 PM

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p.2 #15 · Any News on Canon 200mm F/2 Lens Release

Actually, the way Canon announced the price was that the "estimated street price" is $5,999. So it may be quite a while before we see the lens available at $3,500.

Jan 24, 2008 at 04:48 PM

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p.2 #16 · Any News on Canon 200mm F/2 Lens Release

Is that 6k UK or US? The reason I ask is when the M3 came out at 4500 I know Canada was almost 5600.00.

But for the difference I would still go for the 2.0 with IS and all the improvements. As long as I hold a good piece of glass over time it is worth it and the price difference would not matter. I have bought and sold a lot of lenses but the ones that stay around are the good ones.

Jan 24, 2008 at 04:57 PM

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p.2 #17 · Any News on Canon 200mm F/2 Lens Release

That was $6K US price.

Jan 24, 2008 at 05:48 PM

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p.2 #18 · Any News on Canon 200mm F/2 Lens Release

Thanks, will be intresting to see where the B&H's of the web world sell it at.

Jan 24, 2008 at 07:25 PM

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p.2 #19 · Any News on Canon 200mm F/2 Lens Release

holy crap that's expensive. the 135 f/2 L costs, what, under $1000 now. add 65mm to the focal length + an IS system and you suddenly get a lens that costs $5000 more

? am i the only who is having trouble grasping this?

then again, i'm really out of touch with reality

Edited on Jan 24, 2008 at 07:32 PM

Jan 24, 2008 at 07:30 PM

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p.2 #20 · Any News on Canon 200mm F/2 Lens Release

Mike Hatam wrote:
Actually, the way Canon announced the price was that the "estimated street price" is $5,999. So it may be quite a while before we see the lens available at $3,500.

Like never

We will be lucky to see the price approaching $5,000 after 2 years.

Jan 24, 2008 at 07:50 PM

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p.2 #21 · Any News on Canon 200mm F/2 Lens Release

For 6 grand you can get a Nikon 200/2VR AND a D300 with a VG.

Jeeesh... that is WAY too high.

Hopefully it will end up being like all other Canon "list" prices. The list price of the 70-200IS is something like $2500 or more isn't it? But it sells for about $1500 or so.

I can't see this lens selling for any more than the Nikon counterpart. Actually based on the prices of Canon's other fast L telephoto lenses compared to Nikon it should sell for LESS.

Gene

Jan 24, 2008 at 07:51 PM

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p.2 #22 · Any News on Canon 200mm F/2 Lens Release

cad3 wrote:
Wickedfn4u wrote:
Shhhhh did you hear that... .that thud was the price of the 1.8 falling again.

Weird.

Oh, and I take back my comments about going w/ the 200/2IS... At $6k... (heck even at $5k), I'd try and just get a ~$3k 200/1.8

I don't think you will see the 200 f/1.8Ls selling around $3k for much longer. I am guessing that they will soon start going upward. I am not saying back to where they were, but probably not at $3k either though. I think the $3k prices came out because people were extremely optimistic about what the 200 f/2L IS would sell for.

Jan 24, 2008 at 07:52 PM

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p.2 #23 · Any News on Canon 200mm F/2 Lens Release

Il Medico wrote:
For 6 grand you can get a Nikon 200/2VR AND a D300 with a VG.

Jeeesh... that is WAY too high.

Hopefully it will end up being like all other Canon "list" prices. The list price of the 70-200IS is something like $2500 or more isn't it? But it sells for about $1500 or so.

I can't see this lens selling for any more than the Nikon counterpart. Actually based on the prices of Canon's other fast L telephoto lenses compared to Nikon it should sell for LESS.

Gene

Canon changed their pricing structure about 2-3 years ago. They aren't playing the game of selling things for far less than their suggested price any more. They actually made some sort of announcement at the time. If you look at the trend, Canon has been racking up the price of all of their newer lenses. The best deals are on the older ones. It isn't just because of age either. Canon has been adjusting their pricing upward on lenses.

Jan 24, 2008 at 07:56 PM

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p.2 #24 · Any News on Canon 200mm F/2 Lens Release

BrianP wrote:

Canon changed their pricing structure about 2-3 years ago. They aren't playing the game of selling things for far less than their suggested price any more. They actually made some sort of announcement at the time. If you look at the trend, Canon has been racking up the price of all of their newer lenses. The best deals are on the older ones. It isn't just because of age either. Canon has been adjusting their pricing upward on lenses.

Maybe so, but I cannot see them continuing this pricing policy. Nikon has released some killer lenses in 2007 ... and killer bodies to go with it. Canon will price themselves out of the market unless they buck this trend. I am sure they are aware that the new Nikon products are causing a major stir in the market place.

Jan 24, 2008 at 08:15 PM

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p.2 #25 · Any News on Canon 200mm F/2 Lens Release

maybe we can gage the effectiveness of canon's pricing structure by analyzing price trend of a specific product, starting from the time of its release.

if enough people are not buying the product, say a 200/2, then we should see a price drop (+ rebates). significant price drops signal a flawed pricing structure that is way off the mark. if the price sticks, i imagine that there are enough people buying it at that price.

how canon comes up with these astronomical price tags is beyond me. but if they continue to do this, i think it will hurt their sales.

Edited on Jan 24, 2008 at 09:01 PM

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